From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Jul 27 07:04:57 2007 From: xj-digest xj-digest Friday, July 27 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2627 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: dead 4.7L V8 Re: xj: dead 4.7L V8 Re: xj: dead 4.7L V8 RE: fsj: Re: xj: dead 4.7L V8 Re: xj: Re: more FSJ fodder for discussion..... xj: problem(s) solved? Re: xj: Re: your thoughts? Re: xj: Re: your thoughts? Re: xj: Re: your thoughts? Re: xj: Re: your thoughts? xj: anyone near centralia, washington? xj: free magazines... Re: xj: Re: fsj: semi-OT: nuclear vs. renewable... XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:05:00 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: dead 4.7L V8 found a really, really sweet deal on a '99 WJ with a dead 4.7L V8... I've had two of these engines and they are the finest engines I've ever owned... I'm thinking that this fatality may be related to the camshaft(s)... just a guess... what would it cost to have a 4.7L V8 rebuilt? a 4.0L would bolt right up to the 45RFE, right? gears are turning... popcorn popping... ;) I'm thinking seats, stereo and steering wheel into my '91 Grand Wagoneer... might be able to part the WJ to cover costs... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:20:09 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: xj: dead 4.7L V8 now, about that Diesel VM engine.... ;-) On 7/26/07, john wrote: > found a really, really sweet deal on a '99 WJ with > a dead 4.7L V8... I've had two of these engines and they > are the finest engines I've ever owned... I'm thinking > that this fatality may be related to the camshaft(s)... just > a guess... > > what would it cost to have a 4.7L V8 rebuilt? > a 4.0L would bolt right up to the 45RFE, right? > > gears are turning... popcorn popping... ;) > > I'm thinking seats, stereo and steering wheel into my '91 Grand > Wagoneer... might be able to part the WJ to cover costs... > :) > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:24:10 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: dead 4.7L V8 ok, what's the price for it and shipping???? :)))))))))))) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: # now, about that Diesel VM engine.... ;-) # # On 7/26/07, john wrote: # > found a really, really sweet deal on a '99 WJ with # > a dead 4.7L V8... I've had two of these engines and they # > are the finest engines I've ever owned... I'm thinking # > that this fatality may be related to the camshaft(s)... just # > a guess... # > # > what would it cost to have a 4.7L V8 rebuilt? # > a 4.0L would bolt right up to the 45RFE, right? # > # > gears are turning... popcorn popping... ;) # > # > I'm thinking seats, stereo and steering wheel into my '91 Grand # > Wagoneer... might be able to part the WJ to cover costs... # > :) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:27:18 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: dead 4.7L V8 the wj seats will fit... custom base needed. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, michel balea wrote: # WJ seat will not fit... on a waggy, the base is narrower.... of course with # energy anything is possible.... they would probably fit the XJ...... # # Michel # 74 wag (w 85 Gwag seat) # # # From: john # Reply-To: john # To: xj-at-digest.net # CC: WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com, full size jeep list # Subject: fsj: Re: xj: dead 4.7L V8 # Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:24:10 -0700 (PDT) # # ok, what's the price for it and shipping???? :)))))))))))) # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: # # # now, about that Diesel VM engine.... ;-) # # # # On 7/26/07, john wrote: # # > found a really, really sweet deal on a '99 WJ with # # > a dead 4.7L V8... I've had two of these engines and they # # > are the finest engines I've ever owned... I'm thinking # # > that this fatality may be related to the camshaft(s)... just # # > a guess... # # > # # > what would it cost to have a 4.7L V8 rebuilt? # # > a 4.0L would bolt right up to the 45RFE, right? # # > # # > gears are turning... popcorn popping... ;) # # > # # > I'm thinking seats, stereo and steering wheel into my '91 Grand # # > Wagoneer... might be able to part the WJ to cover costs... # # > :) # # > # # > john # # > # # > ----- # # > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # # > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! # http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 # # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:21:37 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: more FSJ fodder for discussion..... how much for the '89 skidplate, someone back east might want it on the FSJ list... or I may need it when I get my '89 GW home. :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Don Hansen wrote: # Use the 2150's for door stops, although they probably won't even be # dependable for THAT, and put in a Holley fuel injection conversion. I have # it in my plow truck and it starts in a second even after sitting for months! # I also have a brand new dealer gas tank skid plate fro the 89 Waggy I'd love # to sell!!!! # # -Don # # ----- Original Message ----- # From: "Bob" # To: # Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:53 PM # Subject: xj: more FSJ fodder for discussion..... # # # > John, Jim, and others..... # > # > While the FSJ is the big topic on the xj list, I'll add my two cents from # CT. # > # > I assume you folks have already seen this guy's offerings..... # > # > http://www.wagonmaster.com/ # > # > Two of his sold units (two different customers) are in our shop as we # speak. # > He advertises in the local paper here, and apparently the locals here are # vain # > enough and have the disposable income...... # > # > One was purchased last year for $24K, and the other just recently for # $34K. # > Both have carb issues, are obvious repaints (different colors in the door # > jambs), have trim issues, etc., but are generally solid and rust free. # > # > So how about this....John fixes up the free one, sells it for $40k (park # it # > here in CT in front of our dealership), and builds both Superdawg and # Omega to # > his specs. out of the profits (assuming he can find someone who has time # to # > accomodate his whimsical projects ;-) ) # > # > Bag to my bag of generic microwave popcorn...... # > # > Bob the parts guy in CT # > '84 xj Pioneer 2.5L (towed and crushed after sold to brother) # > '95 xj Sport 4.0L in sevice with 53K # > '98 xj Sport 4.0L in perpetual service with 107K # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:45:31 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: problem(s) solved? looks like almost all my problems are solved... well at least most of the ones caused by waiting for Omega... and the fuel heater setup on either the 300D or the '91 GW... :) basically... had an expensive lunch... which solved the problem(s) of which Jeep(s) to get... answer: NONE, other than the "free" one. ;) bucks be gone... washer/dryer went on sale at home depot, window replacements needed at the house... and flooring for my office... cha-ching... hear that plastic scream... oh what a painful sound it is... but wait, there's more... the WJ with the bad engine sold... (mercifully). So, next week the '89 GW with the bad engine will be retrieved... not sure when my hopefully good '91 is coming, still nothing out of the centralia blackhole (anyone driving by on I-5 with a Jeep be careful, warning signs should be posted soon... ;) after much useful and helpful advice, and detailed pictures from the folks with the 2001 XJ... I've decided to give up on the idea of an XJ, or another WJ since that idea got vetoed faster than the fries hit the oil at wendys... speaking of oil, looks like at least one of my friends has perfected the biodiesel process and that will save me some trouble on omega, no need for a fuel heater if I run biodiesel... lot less trouble... just regular dual tanks! I do a good job of finding the oil, but I would do a terrible job of making biodiesel... I have actually burned chicken noodle soup before... my wife will NOT let me in the kitchen or anywhere near vegetable oil and an open flame... :) so, the plan remains the same, only the popcorn changed... (will send the name if you'd like of the current brand I'm using... ;) so, full speed ahead with Omega, the '91 Grand Wagoneer... Shadowfax remains until Omega is fully up on his feet and proven... no XJs in my future, other than my daughter's, and no WJs for me, except for my wife's. The '89 GW that's coming home will get the engine repaired or replaced, fixed up cleaned up and put up for adoption... waiting is not something I do well it seems, especially when I have an internet connection... but it is entertaining. :) (btw, my neighbor still has that '74 Maverick ... cheap...) so, the end result will be one '99 WJ, one '91 GW and either the J10 trailer or J10 stepside... the benz be gone when and if the 6.2 works out... that is all. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:32:42 -0500 From: "Bob" Subject: Re: xj: Re: your thoughts? John and Kevin asked what year 4.0 heads interchange........ I don't have all my tools (catalogs, etc.) available at home, but I punched in the part numbers on "dealer connect" and came up with this much: 1) the reman part# R5640415 claims to fit '91-'95 2) the reman part# R5640469 claims to fit '96-'99 3) the OEM part # 53010334 (pulled from the '01 xj catalog) claims to fit '99-'06 So....it seems there is some difference between the years, but without my "Star Parts" application I cannot determine why the last two numbers overlap on '99...... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:38:33 -0500 From: "Bob" Subject: Re: xj: Re: your thoughts? I don't know the determining date or factor, but your input may very well explain the "crossover point" with the heads noted in my other post. Some '99 xj's were distributorless, some were not..... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Hansen" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:59 AM Subject: Re: xj: Re: your thoughts? >I just checked the Wife's 99 WJ and the mfg date is 4-99. Am I safe? It's > the 4.0 without a distributor. Does the no-dist 'feature' go with the bad > heads??? > > -Don > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 3:51 AM > Subject: Re: xj: Re: your thoughts? > > >> late '99 to '01 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kevin" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:51 AM >> Subject: Re: xj: Re: your thoughts? >> >> >> > What were the years to watch for for the bad head casting again? >> > >> > While I'm asking, anything I should know about later model four >> > bangers, >> > aside from they are slow? ;) >> > >> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 02:28:52AM -0500, Bob wrote: >> >> As always, my concern is for the poor head casting potential on the > '01, >> >> though it made it over 100k.....maybe it's a lucky one......or it's >> >> already >> >> gotten a replacement. No harm in asking. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:44:41 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: your thoughts? I know there was a difference, didn't realize it broke at '95/'96... the head casting info was requested by someone that bought my '92 block and head... might have the email at home... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Bob wrote: # John and Kevin asked what year 4.0 heads interchange........ # # I don't have all my tools (catalogs, etc.) available at home, but I punched # in the part numbers on "dealer connect" and came up with this much: # # 1) the reman part# R5640415 claims to fit '91-'95 # # 2) the reman part# R5640469 claims to fit '96-'99 # # 3) the OEM part # 53010334 (pulled from the '01 xj catalog) claims to fit # '99-'06 # # So....it seems there is some difference between the years, but without my # "Star Parts" application I cannot determine why the last two numbers overlap # on '99...... # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:44:03 -0500 From: "Bob" Subject: Re: xj: Re: your thoughts? Someone here knew specifically what the differences were last time this came up.....I seem to remember port shapes and fuel rail mounting bosses had something to do with it. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:44 PM Subject: Re: xj: Re: your thoughts? >I know there was a difference, didn't realize it broke at '95/'96... > the head casting info was requested by someone that bought my '92 block > and head... > might have the email at home... > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Bob wrote: > > # John and Kevin asked what year 4.0 heads interchange........ > # > # I don't have all my tools (catalogs, etc.) available at home, but I > punched > # in the part numbers on "dealer connect" and came up with this much: > # > # 1) the reman part# R5640415 claims to fit '91-'95 > # > # 2) the reman part# R5640469 claims to fit '96-'99 > # > # 3) the OEM part # 53010334 (pulled from the '01 xj catalog) claims to > fit > # '99-'06 > # > # So....it seems there is some difference between the years, but without > my > # "Star Parts" application I cannot determine why the last two numbers > overlap > # on '99...... > # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:13:05 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: anyone near centralia, washington? haven't heard from my buddy down there for a bit, answering machine is full... no reply to email... if anyone on the list is near or passing centralia it would be great if someone could drop in and see if everything is ok... email me off list and I'll get directions and address to you... :) thanx, john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:07:42 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: free magazines... cleaning out my office... have piles of auto magazines, four wheeler, off road, some car & driver, road & track... redoing the floor, need to get these things out of here... shipping would be very expensive... good magazines, any one local interested??? they're going to be moved out to the carport... when the rains resume the humidity will destroy them... :( john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:58:25 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: semi-OT: nuclear vs. renewable... I heard about a plug in electric hybrid that could travel 40 miles on electric and then after that as far as you want on gas. Most people drive less than 40 miles at a time for a commute and would only occasionally have to run the gas engine. Can't remember which manufacturer it was. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Moulder Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: semi-OT: nuclear vs. renewable... Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:24:27 -0500 >Electric cars will only work for short distances or if swappable >batteries or solar roof panels can be made viable. If your car runs >out of electricity, you can't hitch to the nearest house and borrow >a five mile long extension cord. They'll have to put electric >outlets at all mile markers and rest stops. Solar will only work >when batteries are much more efficient or can augment whatever fuel >motors the vehicle. The article on nuclear power missed one very >important point - other than nuclear waste, a positive by-product of >nuclear generated electricity is hydrogen which would be used to >make fuel cells for automobiles - whose by-product would be H2O. >Also, If we use up the abundant coal reserves we have and trap the >gases, we would have CO2 which can be pumped into the oil fields >that are full of sand or shale. The CO2 releases the oil from the >rocks and floats it up making it cheaper to retrieve. And the CO2 >remains behind. What we need to do is stop ethanol before it drives >up food costs to unbearable prices. I also just heard that Mexican >farmers are plowing under their agave farms to plant corn - there >goes the price on Tequila! I just don't know why these so called >experts can't see past the immediate problem to the ones that will >be caused because of not thinking ahead... > > > >john wrote: > >>there was a kid in san antonio that converted his XJ to electric, >>had about a 100 mile range... cost over $10k. He put the electric >>motor right to the transmission, filled the engine bay and cargo >>area with batteries... >> >> >> ----- >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, Dan Black wrote: >> >># john said: >># {- just saw this article... makes electric power seem >># {- the most likely for vehicles... >># {- # {- >>http://www.world-science.net/othernews/070724_renewable.htm >># {- # {- chernobyl not withstanding... >> > >-- >tm / Houston / 85 Jeep Cherokee, 2 dr. 2.5L - 5 cyl, 4x4 >I don't mind going nowhere as long as it's an interesting path. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't get caught with egg on your face. 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