From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Aug 21 03:19:23 2007 From: xj-digest xj-digest Tuesday, August 21 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2637 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question RE: xj: 4.0L XJ question xj: factory style slideback sunroof... Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question xj: no deal... RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: xj or sj Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question xj: getting ready to move and parts for sale Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:24:35 -0500 From: "Bob" Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question Hi John, The ones we've had in the shop were mostly '00-'01 XJs (and at least one WJ), but we did have one '99 as well, all but one were prior to 50k on the odometer.....concensus among the techs in the shop is "generally, if it ain't happened by 50k, it ain't gonna"......... Obligatory disclaimer: "your mileage may vary" Now to really mix things up....when this first started happening, some of the replacement heads were the same castings.....but then we got a memo from Chrysler to use a "new" reman part# on those cars.....I wish I'd saved it, could have amounted to an admission that they knew something was wrong..... Incidently, we had a '00 Wrangler (first Wrangler so far) the other day with the same thing, but it had gone too long I guess......oil was contaminated and bearings burned up. Parts guy Bob in CT - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:15 PM Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question > so '99 - '01? > > hmmm... with 110, or 129k on the clock you'd think they'd be ok, > unless overheated, right??? > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Kevin wrote: > > # Thought he said bad heads started roughly when coil on plug started. > # > # Then again, my brother got a 2000. Hopefully the bad head problem was an > # infant mortality thing, but I don't think it is. This one was very well > # taken care of. > # > # On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 02:57:52PM -0700, john wrote: > # > so you're saying the good heads are the ones with or without > # > individual coils? > # > > # > what were the years of head problems again???? > # > > # > maybe I should consider the red '99 on that basis alone! > # > > # > where's our dealership expert guy??? :) > # > > # > ----- > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Kevin wrote: > # > > # > # Thought I remembered someone here saying that the cutoff for the > # > # bad heads was the same as the cutoff for the coil on plug. > # > # > # > # To be honest, I could swear my 180k mile lifted on 33s (with 3.55 > gears) 93 > # > # two door had more throttle response than my brother's y2k stocker > with 225/70s > # > # did. Don't know what gears his has. > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:42:24 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: xj: 4.0L XJ question yep, that's the issue... if I understand it correctly, the '99 to '01s had a problem with defective castings... (too thin?), so if it was over heated the head would crack... not sure it's common knowledge... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Tim Sammut (tsammut) wrote: # Hi John, # # I am new to the list so I apologize if this is common knowledge. What is # head problem that y'all are referring to? # # I have an '01 XJ that needed to have the head replaced after over # heating. Not that I can do anything about it now, just curious... # # hope all is well # tim # # [pgp:n] # # > -----Original Message----- # > From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On # > Behalf Of john # > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 3:15 PM # > To: xj-at-digest.net # > Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question # > # > so '99 - '01? # > # > hmmm... with 110, or 129k on the clock you'd think they'd be ok, # > unless overheated, right??? # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Kevin wrote: # > # > # Thought he said bad heads started roughly when coil on # > plug started. # > # # > # Then again, my brother got a 2000. Hopefully the bad head # > problem was an # > # infant mortality thing, but I don't think it is. This one # > was very well # > # taken care of. # > # # > # On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 02:57:52PM -0700, john wrote: # > # > so you're saying the good heads are the ones with or without # > # > individual coils? # > # > # > # > what were the years of head problems again???? # > # > # > # > maybe I should consider the red '99 on that basis alone! # > # > # > # > where's our dealership expert guy??? :) # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > # > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Kevin wrote: # > # > # > # > # Thought I remembered someone here saying that the # > cutoff for the # > # > # bad heads was the same as the cutoff for the coil on plug. # > # > # # > # > # To be honest, I could swear my 180k mile lifted on # > 33s (with 3.55 gears) 93 # > # > # two door had more throttle response than my brother's # > y2k stocker with 225/70s # > # > # did. Don't know what gears his has. # > # # > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:34:55 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: factory style slideback sunroof... just called a local installer, only $1495 to get a slide back, sun screen, under the roof, above the headliner... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:21:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question thanx Bob... so this '99 Limited has the older style engine... has dist/plug wires... built 8/98... despite the color it's starting to grow on me... interior mainly, and that's where I ride... ;) love the tan leather and the sunroof... lots of mechanical issues, nothing serious, just stuff like brakes, some electrical, noise in the xfr case when in 4wd hi (selectrac), could be u-joints or bearings in the xfr case??? needs tires badly... and a good cleaning, smells like dog and air freshener... at least it's a non-smoker... looked at two 00's today... one had hid a deer, been broken into... had some really serious bearing problems with only '87k on it... the other '00 had broken a/c and smelled musky... super clean though , but a real plain jane... the red '99 limited may have won the contest, the only other limiteds are either sold, or black and twice as much... definitely want a limited, the plain ones just don't cut it for me... not that much difference really, but I guess I like the leather and the gadgets that come with it... years ago I would have gone to the wrecking yard and bought all that stuff and installed it... ...now I'm thinking of keeping the tires stock and not even doing a lift... I'm getting old... maybe I should just sell that Warn M8000 winch I picked up... for my purposes a come-a-long and a high lift jack will serve me just dandy... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Bob wrote: # Hi John, # # The ones we've had in the shop were mostly '00-'01 XJs (and at least one WJ), # but we did have one '99 as well, all but one were prior to 50k on the # odometer.....concensus among the techs in the shop is "generally, if it # ain't happened by 50k, it ain't gonna"......... # Obligatory disclaimer: "your mileage may vary" # # Now to really mix things up....when this first started happening, some of the # replacement heads were the same castings.....but then we got a memo from # Chrysler to use a "new" reman part# on those cars.....I wish I'd saved it, # could have amounted to an admission that they knew something was wrong..... # # Incidently, we had a '00 Wrangler (first Wrangler so far) the other day with # the same thing, but it had gone too long I guess......oil was contaminated # and bearings burned up. # # Parts guy Bob in CT # # # ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" # To: # Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:15 PM # Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question # # # > so '99 - '01? # > # > hmmm... with 110, or 129k on the clock you'd think they'd be ok, # > unless overheated, right??? # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Kevin wrote: # > # > # Thought he said bad heads started roughly when coil on plug started. # > # # > # Then again, my brother got a 2000. Hopefully the bad head problem was an # > # infant mortality thing, but I don't think it is. This one was very well # > # taken care of. # > # # > # On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 02:57:52PM -0700, john wrote: # > # > so you're saying the good heads are the ones with or without # > # > individual coils? # > # > # > # > what were the years of head problems again???? # > # > # > # > maybe I should consider the red '99 on that basis alone! # > # > # > # > where's our dealership expert guy??? :) # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > # > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Kevin wrote: # > # > # > # > # Thought I remembered someone here saying that the cutoff for the # > # > # bad heads was the same as the cutoff for the coil on plug. # > # > # # > # > # To be honest, I could swear my 180k mile lifted on 33s (with 3.55 # > gears) 93 # > # > # two door had more throttle response than my brother's y2k stocker # > with 225/70s # > # > # did. Don't know what gears his has. # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:12:48 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: no deal... looked at two '00s, neither got me going... called and made a low offer on the '99 limited... we're about $1,200 apart... I expect to spend close to $2k on it if I get it... he's in no hurry, neither am I... :) wish the work on my '91 Grand Wagoneer would hurry up though... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:24:55 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: xj or sj There are no major issues with the Renix setup if you do stuff to them right when you buy them. Cleaning all underhood (and even in cab) electrical connections makes a big difference. Usually less go wrong with the '89/90 (without the big connector above the brake booster) than the '87/88 but that's fixable. Jim Blair, Kirkland, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10, '73 J4000 (RIP)
From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: xj or sj On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, michel balea wrote: # How much vibrations do you expect to endure w the SJ diesel...... just a # thought..... not sure yet... the guy doing the conversion probably hasn't given that a lot of thought... supposed to have been done in May... quite irritating... why is it that people sign up to do things and then don't? got a couple of guys we hired to do a rockery, same kind of nonsense... you want to trust people, but they just don't follow through with promises... what was the question again? # As usual, you need to define what use will the vehicle be assigned to..... In # my case i can load all the camping gears... the spare parts and tools.... # (may be w a newer vehicle i would not have to worry about what will break... # but at least i know that i can get out ) the rear hitch w the off road # moto..... # # For a commuter... the xj is a good bet.... there are plenty of website # dedicated to fixing and modifying them.... forgot about the break point... # which years to avoid.... but we talked about that some time ago.... anything # before 93 to avoid..... I know that we have some members that are very # familiar w Renix.... but for the daily operations... OBD is nice..... and # after 2000 or is it 01. never had any problems with the Renix systems... not sure why that myth exists. have had 12 XJs, all but three were Renix... many of them went over 200k easily. obd was incorporated with the HO engines in late '90. best year is supposedly '96. head issues '96-'00. early ho motors had piston slap issues, '90-'93 or so. overall, the 4.0L is solid, reliable, but may eat rear main seals and mark it's territory... :) _________________________________________________________________ Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:33:16 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question A: The dist went away mid '99, starting in CA then the rest of the country. From: john Subject: xj: 4.0L XJ question what year do the XJs get the distributorless 4.0? the '99 I looked at today had wires... or was that only a WJ thing? john _________________________________________________________________ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:45:45 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question The multi-coil head cracks, but so do the '96 to '99 heads (if overheated). The difference is the late model ones sometimes crack WITHOUT overheating! (I think they suffered from a poor casting) Jim Blair, Kirkland, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10, '73 J4000 (RIP)
From: john Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question makes sense... the '99 limited was made 8/98. strike two for the red '99. :) or is that a plus? working on the individual coil engines aren't too bad... have had a couple of 4.7V8s and one 4.0 with that setup, pretty simple... john _________________________________________________________________ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:09:34 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: xj: getting ready to move and parts for sale Finally putting my leftover collection of stuff on the block. I need a comprehensive list of what I have, but will post a link to my http://seattle.craigslist.org craig's list posts later. First on the block is the T5 setup from my '83 J10 (synchros are most likely welded to the shaft from lack of oil) Asking $200 for the works. That's bellhousing, trans core, flywheel and clutch, starter, clutch/brake pedals and mechanical linkage and even the front driveshaft if needed (rear may be shortened for my AW4/NP208J with D60 swap in my '83) Trans crossbar included too. Preference given to it NOT being shipped as my time is being sucked up by getting ready to move, build a cabin and work as well as fix my own wheels before my Spirit needs more work (right rear wheel bearing is due soon by the leak and whine from that area) More stuff to come! Jim Blair, Kirkland, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10, '73 J4000 (RIP)
_________________________________________________________________ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:14:55 -0700 From: "Don Hansen" Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question I have a 99 ltd.. Love it. I also has a dist. New tires just may fix those tcase, etc noises... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question > thanx Bob... so this '99 Limited has the older style > engine... has dist/plug wires... built 8/98... > > despite the color it's starting to grow on me... interior mainly, > and that's where I ride... ;) love the tan leather and the sunroof... > > lots of mechanical issues, nothing serious, just stuff like brakes, > some electrical, noise in the xfr case when in 4wd hi (selectrac), could > be u-joints or bearings in the xfr case??? > > needs tires badly... and a good cleaning, smells like dog and air > freshener... > > at least it's a non-smoker... > > looked at two 00's today... one had hid a deer, been broken into... had > some really serious bearing problems with only '87k on it... the other > '00 had broken a/c and smelled musky... super clean though , but a real > plain jane... > > the red '99 limited may have won the contest, the only other limiteds > are either sold, or black and twice as much... definitely want a > limited, > the plain ones just don't cut it for me... not that much difference > really, > but I guess I like the leather and the gadgets that come with it... years > ago I would have gone to the wrecking yard and bought all that stuff > and installed it... > > ...now I'm thinking of keeping the tires stock and not even doing a > lift... > > I'm getting old... maybe I should just sell that Warn M8000 winch I picked > up... for my purposes a come-a-long and a high lift jack will serve me > just dandy... > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Bob wrote: > > # Hi John, > # > # The ones we've had in the shop were mostly '00-'01 XJs (and at least one > WJ), > # but we did have one '99 as well, all but one were prior to 50k on the > # odometer.....concensus among the techs in the shop is "generally, if it > # ain't happened by 50k, it ain't gonna"......... > # Obligatory disclaimer: "your mileage may vary" > # > # Now to really mix things up....when this first started happening, some > of the > # replacement heads were the same castings.....but then we got a memo from > # Chrysler to use a "new" reman part# on those cars.....I wish I'd saved > it, > # could have amounted to an admission that they knew something was > wrong..... > # > # Incidently, we had a '00 Wrangler (first Wrangler so far) the other day > with > # the same thing, but it had gone too long I guess......oil was > contaminated > # and bearings burned up. > # > # Parts guy Bob in CT > # > # > # ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" > # To: > # Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:15 PM > # Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question > # > # > # > so '99 - '01? > # > > # > hmmm... with 110, or 129k on the clock you'd think they'd be ok, > # > unless overheated, right??? > # > > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Kevin wrote: > # > > # > # Thought he said bad heads started roughly when coil on plug started. > # > # > # > # Then again, my brother got a 2000. Hopefully the bad head problem > was an > # > # infant mortality thing, but I don't think it is. This one was very > well > # > # taken care of. > # > # > # > # On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 02:57:52PM -0700, john wrote: > # > # > so you're saying the good heads are the ones with or without > # > # > individual coils? > # > # > > # > # > what were the years of head problems again???? > # > # > > # > # > maybe I should consider the red '99 on that basis alone! > # > # > > # > # > where's our dealership expert guy??? :) > # > # > > # > # > ----- > # > # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they > mold > # > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # > # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # > > # > # > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Kevin wrote: > # > # > > # > # > # Thought I remembered someone here saying that the cutoff for the > # > # > # bad heads was the same as the cutoff for the coil on plug. > # > # > # > # > # > # To be honest, I could swear my 180k mile lifted on 33s (with > 3.55 > # > gears) 93 > # > # > # two door had more throttle response than my brother's y2k > stocker > # > with 225/70s > # > # > # did. Don't know what gears his has. > # > # > # ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2637 *************************