From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Dec 16 22:56:46 2007 From: xj-digest xj-digest Monday, December 17 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2707 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: Re: Daylight Driving lights in Austria --no more... xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window xj: road trip update Re: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window RE: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window Re: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window Re: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:52:21 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Re: Daylight Driving lights in Austria --no more... interesting article, basically Austria is eliminating the daytime running lights, apparently to make it safer for bikes and pedestrians??? the other issue I've seen (and been guilty of, my '99 WJ had Canadian daylight running lights) is driving at night with those dimmer lights... I thought there was something wrong with the road surface or my eyes... then I turned on the headlights and wow, it was like daylight! :) this always provides entertainment in translation: http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr Austria creates the light obligation on the day for automobiles to the yearly beginning 2008 again off. Reason is according to General German Automobile Association the diverting effect during the day switched on headlight of the traffic happening with the accomodating road users. These would notice the cars driving with headlight low beam or special day driving lights better, however the unlighted pedestrians and cyclists surveyed easier. The light obligation had been introduced only 2005 and should provide by the better visibility of the cars for more security in the traffic. Zurzeit still prevails in 21 further European countries a general or a light obligation only limited to motorways. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Wiard Pless wrote: # I am sure, you can read most of it. Basically, Austria will cancel the # daylight driving lights requirement early next year. # Vsterreich # Lichtpflicht wird wieder abgeschafft # # M|nchen - # # Vsterreich schafft die Lichtpflicht am Tag f|r Automobile zum # Jahresanfang 2008 wieder ab. Grund ist laut ADAC die ablenkende # Wirkung tags|ber eingeschalteter Scheinwerfer vom Verkehrsgeschehen # bei den entgegenkommenden Verkehrsteilnehmern. Diese w|rden zwar die # mit Abblendlicht oder speziellen Tagfahrleuchten fahrenden Autos # besser wahrnehmen, dabei aber die unbeleuchteten Fu_gdnger und # Radfahrer leichter |bersehen. Die Lichtpflicht war erst 2005 # eingef|hrt worden und sollte durch die bessere Sichtbarkeit der Autos # f|r mehr Sicherheit im Stra_enverkehr sorgen. Zurzeit herrscht noch # in 21 weiteren europdischen Ldndern eine generelle oder eine # lediglich auf Schnellstra_en beschrdnkte Lichtpflicht. # # Aktualisiert am 15. Dezember 2007 um 9:54 # # Vollstdndige Url des Artikels: # http://www.abendblatt.de/daten/2007/12/15/828021.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:00:46 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window Gary, I'd start by examining the gasket on the broken one... it'll pry out from the inside (underside). It'll have a lip, you work the lip off and the entire gasket will come out... to get the gasket off the 85 repeat the process carefully to avoid flexing the glass. You may want to have two people working on this... I've done this myself... anyway, I usually start in one of the corners and work my way in two directions, a little at a time, up an over... at a certain point it'll be free enough that you can just push gently on the glass and it will start to "peel" out of the frame. To reinstall make sure the frame is clean... I think if you put a string around the middle part of the gasket it'll go in easier... start in one corner and get the lip started, gently pushing in... then work your way around, and as you do, use the string to pull the gasket lip up and over the frame.... if memory serves me correctly, and it is suspect at this point, it should pop right in... listers, am I recalling this process correctly or have I led him astray? please provide any necessary corrections and /or confirmation or additional tips and suggestions. thanx, john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Gary wrote: # John, # # # # Would you have tips or pointers on how to remove and replace the rear hatch # window on a 93 xj? I have to remove one from an 85 hatch and install it into # my 93 which has a shattered one. # # # # Thanks # # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:49:49 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: road trip update decided not to drive down to Tucson... my son has decided to come home in January... a bit early... he completed 4 years in the Air Force! and, still haven't fixed the WJ's xfr case chain... got the alt & a/c fixed in the 300d... but not the seats... :) still working on the '89 GW... need to spend some time on it..., maybe tomorrow... going down to retrieve parts and jeeps with a friend over the holiday break... hoping to repair and update my carport to hold said jeeps... :) took my final for my next to last class today... one more course and I'm done with my masters degree! :) so, all you along the way... it's ok to stand down from rescue duty... thanx! :) wishing all of you a Merry Christmas, with a capital C: http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=IAckfn8yiAQ john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 04:09:54 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window Here is how I removed the window from my 1990 XJ. stuff the back of the Jeep with as many cardboard boxes as you can fit... Take a guestimate on if the hatch can close. Slam the hatch and cross your fingers Grease the rubber gasket up with whatever you have handy (10W30 was what I used) then curse and move the box and pop the window back in and close the hatch and grin at the wife sheepishly. ed web/gadget guru john wrote: Gary, I'd start by examining the gasket on the broken one... it'll pry out from the inside (underside). It'll have a lip, you work the lip off and the entire gasket will come out... to get the gasket off the 85 repeat the process carefully to avoid flexing the glass. You may want to have two people working on this... I've done this myself... anyway, I usually start in one of the corners and work my way in two directions, a little at a time, up an over... at a certain point it'll be free enough that you can just push gently on the glass and it will start to "peel" out of the frame. To reinstall make sure the frame is clean... I think if you put a string around the middle part of the gasket it'll go in easier... start in one corner and get the lip started, gently pushing in... then work your way around, and as you do, use the string to pull the gasket lip up and over the frame.... if memory serves me correctly, and it is suspect at this point, it should pop right in... listers, am I recalling this process correctly or have I led him astray? please provide any necessary corrections and /or confirmation or additional tips and suggestions. thanx, john - ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Gary wrote: # John, # # # # Would you have tips or pointers on how to remove and replace the rear hatch # window on a 93 xj? I have to remove one from an 85 hatch and install it into # my 93 which has a shattered one. # # # # Thanks # # # # # # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Man, you people make me want to go kick an iMac." - Response to a Mac FanBoy on the critical Leopard "move" bug - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:39:02 -0700 From: "Gary" Subject: RE: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window Thank you all! I will try this during my time off for Christmas and let you know how it turns out. Again thank you for your time in explaining it to me. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Ed Kummel Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 5:10 AM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window Here is how I removed the window from my 1990 XJ. stuff the back of the Jeep with as many cardboard boxes as you can fit... Take a guestimate on if the hatch can close. Slam the hatch and cross your fingers Grease the rubber gasket up with whatever you have handy (10W30 was what I used) then curse and move the box and pop the window back in and close the hatch and grin at the wife sheepishly. ed web/gadget guru john wrote: Gary, I'd start by examining the gasket on the broken one... it'll pry out from the inside (underside). It'll have a lip, you work the lip off and the entire gasket will come out... to get the gasket off the 85 repeat the process carefully to avoid flexing the glass. You may want to have two people working on this... I've done this myself... anyway, I usually start in one of the corners and work my way in two directions, a little at a time, up an over... at a certain point it'll be free enough that you can just push gently on the glass and it will start to "peel" out of the frame. To reinstall make sure the frame is clean... I think if you put a string around the middle part of the gasket it'll go in easier... start in one corner and get the lip started, gently pushing in... then work your way around, and as you do, use the string to pull the gasket lip up and over the frame.... if memory serves me correctly, and it is suspect at this point, it should pop right in... listers, am I recalling this process correctly or have I led him astray? please provide any necessary corrections and /or confirmation or additional tips and suggestions. thanx, john - ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Gary wrote: # John, # # # # Would you have tips or pointers on how to remove and replace the rear hatch # window on a 93 xj? I have to remove one from an 85 hatch and install it into # my 93 which has a shattered one. # # # # Thanks # # # # # # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Man, you people make me want to go kick an iMac." - Response to a Mac FanBoy on the critical Leopard "move" bug - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:40:51 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window thank you ed for the red green version... at first I thought you were serious... thinking, ok, but how is going to catch the glass... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 16 Dec 2007, Ed Kummel wrote: # Here is how I removed the window from my 1990 XJ. # stuff the back of the Jeep with as many cardboard boxes as you can fit... # Take a guestimate on if the hatch can close. # Slam the hatch and cross your fingers # Grease the rubber gasket up with whatever you have handy (10W30 was what I used) # then curse and move the box and pop the window back in and close the hatch and grin at the wife sheepishly. # ed # web/gadget guru # # john wrote: # Gary, # # I'd start by examining the gasket on the broken one... it'll pry out from # the inside (underside). It'll have a lip, you work the lip off and the # entire gasket will come out... to get the gasket off the 85 repeat the process # carefully to avoid flexing the glass. You may want to have two people working # on this... I've done this myself... # # anyway, I usually start in one of the corners and work my way in two directions, # a little at a time, up an over... at a certain point it'll be free enough that you # can just push gently on the glass and it will start to "peel" out of the frame. # # To reinstall make sure the frame is clean... I think if you put a string around # the middle part of the gasket it'll go in easier... start in one corner and # get the lip started, gently pushing in... then work your way around, and # as you do, use the string to pull the gasket lip up and over the frame.... # # if memory serves me correctly, and it is suspect at this point, it should # pop right in... # # listers, am I recalling this process correctly or have I led him astray? # # please provide any necessary corrections and /or confirmation or additional # tips and suggestions. # # thanx, # john # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # there's a solution for every problem; # problem is can we afford the solution? # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Gary wrote: # # # John, # # # # # # # # Would you have tips or pointers on how to remove and replace the rear hatch # # window on a 93 xj? I have to remove one from an 85 hatch and install it into # # my 93 which has a shattered one. # # # # # # # # Thanks # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # "Man, you people make me want to go kick an iMac." # - Response to a Mac FanBoy on the critical Leopard "move" bug # # --------------------------------- # Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:52:42 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window Unfortunatly, I was serious...It was definatly an "uh-oh" moment when the stark realization hit that if I don't catch the glass, it will fall and shatter. Luckily the rear window de-fogger wires slowed the glass descent enough for my slow witted brain to make the realization that all was not as it seemed... Someday I should tell you how I removed the rear window glass from my 1972 Cutlass at 75 MPH! Ed web/gadget guru john wrote: thank you ed for the red green version... at first I thought you were serious... thinking, ok, but how is going to catch the glass... :) john - ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 16 Dec 2007, Ed Kummel wrote: # Here is how I removed the window from my 1990 XJ. # stuff the back of the Jeep with as many cardboard boxes as you can fit... # Take a guestimate on if the hatch can close. # Slam the hatch and cross your fingers # Grease the rubber gasket up with whatever you have handy (10W30 was what I used) # then curse and move the box and pop the window back in and close the hatch and grin at the wife sheepishly. # ed # web/gadget guru # # john wrote: # Gary, # # I'd start by examining the gasket on the broken one... it'll pry out from # the inside (underside). It'll have a lip, you work the lip off and the # entire gasket will come out... to get the gasket off the 85 repeat the process # carefully to avoid flexing the glass. You may want to have two people working # on this... I've done this myself... # # anyway, I usually start in one of the corners and work my way in two directions, # a little at a time, up an over... at a certain point it'll be free enough that you # can just push gently on the glass and it will start to "peel" out of the frame. # # To reinstall make sure the frame is clean... I think if you put a string around # the middle part of the gasket it'll go in easier... start in one corner and # get the lip started, gently pushing in... then work your way around, and # as you do, use the string to pull the gasket lip up and over the frame.... # # if memory serves me correctly, and it is suspect at this point, it should # pop right in... # # listers, am I recalling this process correctly or have I led him astray? # # please provide any necessary corrections and /or confirmation or additional # tips and suggestions. # # thanx, # john # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # there's a solution for every problem; # problem is can we afford the solution? # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Gary wrote: # # # John, # # # # # # # # Would you have tips or pointers on how to remove and replace the rear hatch # # window on a 93 xj? I have to remove one from an 85 hatch and install it into # # my 93 which has a shattered one. # # # # # # # # Thanks # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # "Man, you people make me want to go kick an iMac." # - Response to a Mac FanBoy on the critical Leopard "move" bug # # --------------------------------- # Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Man, you people make me want to go kick an iMac." - Response to a Mac FanBoy on the critical Leopard "move" bug - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2707 *************************