From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Dec 20 22:57:37 2007 From: xj-digest xj-digest Friday, December 21 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2709 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window RE: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window Re: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window RE: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window RE: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window xj: [db] Fw: Urgent legislative item! Tell your friends! (fwd) xj: Rusty Chevrolet XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:59:45 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window Wow...OK, I was prepping my 1972 Cutlass hard-top (Cutlass Supreme) for painting and removed all the chrome and stainless steel pieces for replating and finishing. My buddy was supposed to bring his trailer over so we could deliver the car to the paint shop but he forgot he lent it to someone else the very day I needed it...Since I had a firm appointment with the paint company, I had to get the car to them that day. I bolted the driver seat back into the car (oh, did I tell you, the interior was also gutted and all window glass except for the windshield and back window were removed...I debated removing those, but opted to leave them in because it would be a hassle...the windshield has the integrated car radio antenna embeded in the glass and the rear window has the defogger grid on it...didn't want to mess those up by removing the glass) and put on an interior and exterior door handle and proceeded to drive the 150 miles necessary to get the car to the paint shop. I'm driving down the highway enjoying the roaring wind blasting through the car at 75 mph, when all of a sudden there was this *WHOMP* sound and then sudden silence...it was an odd feeling really...I remember looking up at the winshield mirror and seeing something floating high in the air behind my car, flipping around and a around...like a leaf in the fall being blown by the wind...then it slowly floated down to the ground and, barely missing a car that was some ways behind me, shattered into a bazzilion cubical pieces...That's when I realized that that floating sheet of what looked like ice on a sunny July afternoon was none other than my own rear window. Needless to say, I felt a pit in my stomach when the realization hit me about what just had happened...Then joy when the realization turned into relief when I realized that it didn't hit anyone and therefore I wasn't responsible for any traffic accidents! But then dispair hit when I realized that replacing that window was going to be near impossible (can't restore an all original part car when you don't have the original parts!) I went through several emotional loop-d-loops in the remaining half hour of driving I had left...but mainly I was sad in that I was stupid for not checking that! Kinda like those, punch yourself in the forhead with your fist for being so stupid, moments! When I got to the paint shop, I examined the seat where the rear window mounts and saw that the material that the window sits on was old and brittle and the only thing holding the window in place was the window trim... Oh well...at least the painters were able to get everywhere to paint the vehicle! And as luck would have it, the guy that was supposed to paint the car had to leave the state for an urgent family matter (I heard it was a death or something...I didn't push the issue) so the car sat in the garage for almost a month...When the guy came back, I told him my story and he was so grateful for my waiting for him to come back, he pulled some sources and found a guy back in his home state who had some NOS glass for my very year vehicle...He checked his inventory and found a NOS rear window...complete with rear window defoggers on it! and being NOS, it was the exact replacement and in better shape than what I originally had...and he gave it to me as a gift for being so understanding! So, it all worked out for the better! But I'll never forget that image of the window glass fluttering in the wind behind my car and me thinking "boy, that certainly is beautiful looking...I wonder what that is" and then a millisecond later the realization that it's something I need and it's gone forever!...I can see it now...in slow motion..flip...flip...flip....*smash*! Ed web/gadget guru john wrote: we'll be waiting for that story... :) john - ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 16 Dec 2007, Ed Kummel wrote: # Unfortunatly, I was serious...It was definatly an "uh-oh" moment when the stark realization hit that if I don't catch the glass, it will fall and shatter. Luckily the rear window de-fogger wires slowed the glass descent enough for my slow witted brain to make the realization that all was not as it seemed... # Someday I should tell you how I removed the rear window glass from my 1972 Cutlass at 75 MPH! # # Ed # web/gadget guru # # john wrote: # thank you ed for the red green version... # # at first I thought you were serious... thinking, ok, but how # is going to catch the glass... :) # # john # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # there's a solution for every problem; # problem is can we afford the solution? # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Sun, 16 Dec 2007, Ed Kummel wrote: # # # Here is how I removed the window from my 1990 XJ. # # stuff the back of the Jeep with as many cardboard boxes as you can fit... # # Take a guestimate on if the hatch can close. # # Slam the hatch and cross your fingers # # Grease the rubber gasket up with whatever you have handy (10W30 was what I used) # # then curse and move the box and pop the window back in and close the hatch and grin at the wife sheepishly. # # ed # # web/gadget guru # # # # john wrote: # # Gary, # # # # I'd start by examining the gasket on the broken one... it'll pry out from # # the inside (underside). It'll have a lip, you work the lip off and the # # entire gasket will come out... to get the gasket off the 85 repeat the process # # carefully to avoid flexing the glass. You may want to have two people working # # on this... I've done this myself... # # # # anyway, I usually start in one of the corners and work my way in two directions, # # a little at a time, up an over... at a certain point it'll be free enough that you # # can just push gently on the glass and it will start to "peel" out of the frame. # # # # To reinstall make sure the frame is clean... I think if you put a string around # # the middle part of the gasket it'll go in easier... start in one corner and # # get the lip started, gently pushing in... then work your way around, and # # as you do, use the string to pull the gasket lip up and over the frame.... # # # # if memory serves me correctly, and it is suspect at this point, it should # # pop right in... # # # # listers, am I recalling this process correctly or have I led him astray? # # # # please provide any necessary corrections and /or confirmation or additional # # tips and suggestions. # # # # thanx, # # john # # # # ----- # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # there's a solution for every problem; # # problem is can we afford the solution? # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # # # On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Gary wrote: # # # # # John, # # # # # # # # # # # # Would you have tips or pointers on how to remove and replace the rear hatch # # # window on a 93 xj? I have to remove one from an 85 hatch and install it into # # # my 93 which has a shattered one. # # # # # # # # # # # # Thanks # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # "Man, you people make me want to go kick an iMac." # # - Response to a Mac FanBoy on the critical Leopard "move" bug # # # # --------------------------------- # # Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. # # # # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # "Man, you people make me want to go kick an iMac." # - Response to a Mac FanBoy on the critical Leopard "move" bug # # --------------------------------- # Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Man, you people make me want to go kick an iMac." - Response to a Mac FanBoy on the critical Leopard "move" bug - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:10:07 -0700 From: "Tesar Landon" Subject: RE: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window Great story, Ed. It's great when other people know *exactly* what you want and are part of the solution. Rare, too. - - Landon - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Ed Kummel Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 5:00 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window Wow...OK, I was prepping my 1972 Cutlass hard-top (Cutlass Supreme) for painting and removed all the chrome and stainless steel pieces for replating and finishing. My buddy was supposed to bring his trailer over so we could deliver the car to the paint shop but he forgot he lent it to someone else the very day I needed it...Since I had a firm appointment with the paint company, I had to get ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:17:16 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window I think I know what you mean about watching that glass float away... it was kind of like that when I gave that guy at Costco a jump start with my 300D and watched him put the red cable to the ground and the black cable to the positive lead... and then seeing the smoke rolling out from under the hood of my car... was thinking to myself before the smoke appeared, isn't it supposed to go the other way?? :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, Ed Kummel wrote: # Wow...OK, ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:20:47 -0700 From: "Tesar Landon" Subject: RE: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window That's also known as an infinitesimasecond, which is the amount of time between realizing your keys are still in the car and the time the car door locks shut. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 5:17 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window I think I know what you mean about watching that glass float away... it was kind of like that when I gave that guy at Costco a jump start with my 300D and watched him put the red cable to the ground and the black cable to the positive lead... and then seeing the smoke rolling out from under the hood of my car... was thinking to myself before the smoke appeared, isn't it supposed to go the other way?? :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, Ed Kummel wrote: # Wow...OK, ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:16:55 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window or an "ohnosecond" :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, Tesar Landon wrote: # That's also known as an infinitesimasecond, which is the amount of time # between realizing your keys are still in the car and the time the car # door locks shut. # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 5:17 PM # To: xj-at-digest.net # Subject: Re: xj: Re: removal of rear hatch window # # I think I know what you mean about watching that glass float away... # it was kind of like that when I gave that guy at Costco a jump # start with my 300D and watched him put the red cable to the ground # and the black cable to the positive lead... and then seeing # the smoke rolling out from under the hood of my car... was thinking # to myself before the smoke appeared, isn't it supposed to go the # other way?? :) # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # there's a solution for every problem; # problem is can we afford the solution? # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, Ed Kummel wrote: # # # Wow...OK, # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:15:12 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: [db] Fw: Urgent legislative item! Tell your friends! (fwd) Diesel is the answer... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" I actually started this one. Please read it. J - ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Hello, I do not normally send out messages in hopes of starting a chain e-mail, but I feel that this issue is too urgent to ignore. I generally follow the news, and was very surprised to see that an insidious "energy policy" bill has slid through both the U.S. House and Senate, and I did not know about it. I usually call my representatives when something like this is coming up for a vote, but I didn't hear about it until too late, probably on purpose. The mainstream media likes to keep these kinds of things hushed-up so that the legislators DON'T hear outcry from us. Read about it here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/congress_energy;_ylt=ArR8ZhMrYQKZZuegsw0zPNis0NUE This type of legislation is politically correct, environmentally fashionable, and has a great deal of support from "liberals" and "progressives," but this legislation is totally arbitrary, could be economically disastrous, is environmentally unnecessary, and is an unconstitutional meddling in the free market. It will hurt everyone, from the auto workers in Detroit, to your Grandma shopping for a new refrigerator. Probably the worst part is its emphasis on and mandate of increased ethanol production combined with a 40% hike in the requirements for automobile fuel efficiency. Ethanol gets much worse fuel economy than gasoline (about 33% less, making the 40% fuel economy mandate even harder to meet) and this ethanol mandate also rules out the only reasonable way that the new vehicle fuel economy standards could possibly be met: clean diesels. It also requires increased "efficiency" for multitudes of household appliances and commercial and government buildings. The bottom line: this bill will make everything more expensive, driving up the cost of living, and make cars really small, dangerous, and boring. There is only one recourse left to us (humanly speaking, that is:) we MUST bombard the President with comments requesting that he veto the bill. Sane people can do no less. Here is the contact information from www.whitehouse.gov: (use the phone or e-mail; anything else will be too slow.) Phone Numbers Comments: 202-456-1111 Switchboard: 202-456-1414 FAX: 202-456-2461 TTY/TDD Comments: 202-456-6213 Visitors Office: 202-456-2121 E-Mail Email: comments-at-whitehouse.gov Tell them that you believe the energy bill is bad, and that you urge the President to veto it. Please help spread the word, and be certain to actually call YOURSELF. Don't assume that the next person will even read this message, much less call the President. I hope I get this back many times; that will prove that this message has at least been read and forwarded. Thank you for caring about America. Sincerely, Jason Bassett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:56:55 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Rusty Chevrolet got this from my uncle... :) I think you sing this to the tune of jingle bells... he's in california, but the rest of our family is in the chicago area, so we're doing the rust thing through them... ;) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Fuka Thought you would like this from my cuz. uncle ron Subject: Fw: Rusty Chevrolet THIS IS FUNNY Rusty Chevrolet DASHING THROUGH THE SNOW IN MY RUSTY CHEVROLET DOWN THE ROAD I GO SLIDING ALL THE WAY I NEED NEW PISTON RINGS I NEED SOME NEW SNOW TIRES MY CAR IS HELD TOGETHER BY A PIECE OF CHICKEN WIRE CHORUS: RUST AND SMOKE THE HEATER'S BROKE THE DOOR JUST BLEW AWAY I LIGHT A MATCH TO SEE THE DASH AND THEN I START TO PRAY THE FRAME IS BENT THE MUFFLER WENT THE RADIO IT'S OK OH WHAT FUN IT IS TO DRIVE THIS RUSTY CHEVROLET I WENT TO THE IGA I WENT TO THE IGA TO GET SOME CHRISTMAS CHEER I JUST PASSED UP MY LEFT FRONT TIRE AND ITS GETTING HARD TO STEER SKIDDING DOWN THE HIGHWAY RIGHT PAST THE NEGAUNEE COPS I HAD TO DRAG MY SWAMPERS TO GET THE CAR TO STOP BOUNCING THROUGH THE SNOWDRIFTS BOUNCING THROUGH THE SNOWDRIFTS IN A BIG BLUE CLOUD OF SMOKE PEOPLE LAUGH AS I DRIVE BY I WONDER WHAT'S THE JOKE I GOT TO GET TO SHOPKO TO PICK UP THE LAYAWAY CAUSE SANTA CLAUS IS COMING SOON IN HIS BIG OLD RUSTY SLEIGH (REPEAT CHORUS) ============================= other links: http://wagoneers.com/tmp/Christmas-w-a-Capital-C.mp4 http://wagoneers.com/tmp/frosty-caught-in-the-act.gif http://wagoneers.com/tmp/ChristmasPlans.pdf ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2709 *************************