From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jan 7 16:10:54 2008 From: xj-digest xj-digest Monday, January 7 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2720 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! RE: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! RE: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! RE: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! (fwd) Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! (fwd) Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! XJ theft vulnerabilities (was: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help!) Re: XJ theft vulnerabilities (was: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help!) Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:40:21 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Subject: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! Soory, forgot to include some info License 808 UVI Washington Last 6 of the VIN 290981 Thanks Mahalo Alan Chung ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:06:15 -0600 From: Tom Moulder Subject: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! You also forgot - Washington is a big state, can you narrow it down to city please? I can't help unless it makes its way to Texas, but I do put it in my signature so when I ask for help, people know from where I come.... At first I was going to Hawaii to help you look after your first email 8-) Alan wrote: > Soory, forgot to include some info > > License 808 UVI Washington > Last 6 of the VIN 290981 > > Thanks > > Mahalo Alan Chung > > - -- "I have enough money to last me the rest of my life, unless I buy something." - - Jackie Mason tm / Houston / 85 Jeep Cherokee, 2 dr. 2.5L, 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:08:54 -0700 From: "Gary" Subject: RE: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! What part of town was it taken from? I saw a black XJ going north on the 101 Agua Fria on Friday afternoon, it noticeably sat lower in the rear. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 4:40 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! Soory, forgot to include some info License 808 UVI Washington Last 6 of the VIN 290981 Thanks Mahalo Alan Chung ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:35:35 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Subject: RE: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! Oops, soory! It was taken from my church here in Federal Way Washington. It probabaly wouldnt sit too low in back, considering I made it so it is an inch higher in back, but sits level with two passengers and equipment in the back. Thanks for looking out guys! Mahalo Alan Chung ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:36:59 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Subject: RE: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! Probably not this one, since it was stolen Friday evening late. Thanks for looking! Alan >>>>>>>>>>>> What part of town was it taken from? I saw a black XJ going north on the 101 Agua Fria on Friday afternoon, it noticeably sat lower in the rear. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 4:40 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! Soory, forgot to include some info License 808 UVI Washington Last 6 of the VIN 290981 Thanks Mahalo Alan Chung ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:38:56 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! (fwd) heads up... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alan Hi All My Cherokee just got stolen out of our church parking lot. If you all could keep an eye out for it...already have a police report and insurance stuff on it. 1990 Cherokee Limited Black 6 inch lift 32 inch BFGs on Gray Grizzly wheels Its been missing since Friday evening. Thanks for keeping any eye out, I have a feeling its off in some off-road spot, stripped by now :(. Mahalo Alan Chung 90 Cherokee Limited ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:39:35 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alan Soory, forgot to include some info License 808 UVI Washington Last 6 of the VIN 290981 Thanks Mahalo Alan Chung ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:16:49 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! what a bummer... sorry to hear about it... but there may be hope, my son's friend had his '90 XJ stolen down there in Federal Way and it was recovered a few weeks later... I don't think there was much or any damage... some punks took it out joy riding perhaps? let's hope you get it back!!! aloha, john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 6 Jan 2008, Alan wrote: # Soory, forgot to include some info # # License 808 UVI Washington # Last 6 of the VIN 290981 # # Thanks # # Mahalo Alan Chung # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 23:29:47 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Subject: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! Thanks guys...here is a current photos of it, just now it has 32 inch BFG MTs... http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/lutajoe/Dirty90XJ.jpg Yeah, its a bummer that its gone. Im wondering where it is or went? Anyhow, thanks for the help! Mahalo Alan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:44:42 -0800 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! alan, that sux! having had my XJ stolen, i truly feel for you. i found out that unfortunately, due to a collection of factors (that i'm not sure i want to list here), it's amazingly easy for someone who knows how to steal in XJ. here's hoping you get it back in some semblance of its original form. mine was found nearby about a week later, having been apparently used for little more than a joy ride and a rolling party. cheers! e Alan wrote: > Hi All > > My Cherokee just got stolen out of our church parking lot. If you all could keep an eye out for it...already have a police report and insurance stuff on it. > > 1990 Cherokee Limited > Black > 6 inch lift > 32 inch BFGs on Gray Grizzly wheels > > Its been missing since Friday evening. Thanks for keeping any eye out, I have a feeling its off in some off-road spot, stripped by now :(. > > Mahalo Alan Chung 90 Cherokee Limited ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:03:01 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! while not revealing HOW TO steal an XJ (at least not on list...) what would be splendid is information on how NOT to have one stolen... my '91 Grand Wagoneer was stolen out of the PO's garage, a locked garage... with a club attached to the wheel!!!! the thieves cut the steering wheel to remove the club... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, ernest breakfield wrote: # alan, # # that sux! # having had my XJ stolen, i truly feel for you. i found out that # unfortunately, due to a collection of factors (that i'm not sure i want # to list here), it's amazingly easy for someone who knows how to steal in XJ. # # here's hoping you get it back in some semblance of its original # form. mine was found nearby about a week later, having been apparently # used for little more than a joy ride and a rolling party. # # # cheers! # e # # # Alan wrote: # > Hi All # > # > My Cherokee just got stolen out of our church parking lot. If you all could keep an eye out for it...already have a police report and insurance stuff on it. # > # > 1990 Cherokee Limited # > Black # > 6 inch lift # > 32 inch BFGs on Gray Grizzly wheels # > # > Its been missing since Friday evening. Thanks for keeping any eye out, I have a feeling its off in some off-road spot, stripped by now :(. # > # > Mahalo Alan Chung 90 Cherokee Limited # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:18:44 -0800 From: ernest breakfield Subject: XJ theft vulnerabilities (was: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help!) yeah, The Club has always been over-rated for exactly that reason. question is; how did they start it? there's no way to describe how to prevent taking advantage of the XJs vulnerabilities without making it clear how to take advantage of them; and until i know a better way to protect ourselves from them, i don't think it would be to our benefit to make the knowledge of those vulnerabilities more widespread. i did some research on the issue after my vehicles theft, and never found a suitable solution. i realize most people here wouldn't be likely to be culprits, but things i type to mailing lists have a way of showing up in searches for years afterwards... cheers! e john wrote: > while not revealing HOW TO steal an XJ (at least not on list...) > what would be splendid is information on how NOT to have one > stolen... > > my '91 Grand Wagoneer was stolen out of the PO's garage, a locked > garage... with a club attached to the wheel!!!! the thieves cut > the steering wheel to remove the club... > > john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:12:19 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: XJ theft vulnerabilities (was: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help!) yep, these digests are stored on wagoneers.com and digest.net... be happy to see your ideas off list... :) Have a few as well... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, ernest breakfield wrote: # yeah, The Club has always been over-rated for exactly that reason. # question is; how did they start it? # # there's no way to describe how to prevent taking advantage of the # XJs vulnerabilities without making it clear how to take advantage of # them; and until i know a better way to protect ourselves from them, i # don't think it would be to our benefit to make the knowledge of those # vulnerabilities more widespread. i did some research on the issue after # my vehicles theft, and never found a suitable solution. # # i realize most people here wouldn't be likely to be culprits, but # things i type to mailing lists have a way of showing up in searches for # years afterwards... # # # cheers! # e # # # john wrote: # > while not revealing HOW TO steal an XJ (at least not on list...) # > what would be splendid is information on how NOT to have one # > stolen... # > # > my '91 Grand Wagoneer was stolen out of the PO's garage, a locked # > garage... with a club attached to the wheel!!!! the thieves cut # > the steering wheel to remove the club... # > # > john # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:49:42 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! ah, the memories, here's some pictures from 1998... before alan got serious: http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/trail-reports/laborday98/alan2.jpg http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/trail-reports/laborday98/alan1.jpg http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/trail-reports/laborday98/alan3.jpg http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/trail-reports/laborday98/mt-rainier.jpg http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/trail-reports/laborday98 john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 6 Jan 2008, Alan wrote: # Thanks guys...here is a current photos of it, just now it has 32 inch BFG MTs... # # http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/lutajoe/Dirty90XJ.jpg # # Yeah, its a bummer that its gone. Im wondering where it is or went? Anyhow, thanks for the help! # # Mahalo Alan # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:55:41 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! While illegal in the USA, the exploding Aston Martin that James bond had was quite an excelent theft prevention device! Unfortunatly, short of killing the perpetrator (which, as I said above, is illegal) There is no surefire way to prevent a car from being stolen...From the ubiuitous "bump-key" (if you don't know what this is...*DO NOT* look it up on Google...you will never sleep safely in your own home again!) to the "smash and grab" to steal GPS devices...Someone will always think of a new way to take what you have... I had a friend in South Africa who wanted to keep the Blaupunkt stereo in his 911 safe from theft, so he soldered fish-hooks to the outside of the case. He went shopping and when he came back, someone had taken a chain-saw to his dash...yup...no more radio! One thing I think would be very sweet would be to embed a camera-phone in the dash with GPS. So if your car gets stolen, or the alarm is triggered, the phone starts taking pictures, uploads the pics to Flicker and at the same time, calls you and allows you to get GPS readings and even tell the perpetrators that you are watching them and you have the GPS coordinates of the car and the police are looking at pictures of them in the process of stealing the car...now THAT would be cool! Ed web/gadget guru john wrote: while not revealing HOW TO steal an XJ (at least not on list...) what would be splendid is information on how NOT to have one stolen... my '91 Grand Wagoneer was stolen out of the PO's garage, a locked garage... with a club attached to the wheel!!!! the thieves cut the steering wheel to remove the club... john - ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, ernest breakfield wrote: # alan, # # that sux! # having had my XJ stolen, i truly feel for you. i found out that # unfortunately, due to a collection of factors (that i'm not sure i want # to list here), it's amazingly easy for someone who knows how to steal in XJ. # # here's hoping you get it back in some semblance of its original # form. mine was found nearby about a week later, having been apparently # used for little more than a joy ride and a rolling party. # # # cheers! # e # # # Alan wrote: # > Hi All # > # > My Cherokee just got stolen out of our church parking lot. If you all could keep an eye out for it...already have a police report and insurance stuff on it. # > # > 1990 Cherokee Limited # > Black # > 6 inch lift # > 32 inch BFGs on Gray Grizzly wheels # > # > Its been missing since Friday evening. Thanks for keeping any eye out, I have a feeling its off in some off-road spot, stripped by now :(. # > # > Mahalo Alan Chung 90 Cherokee Limited # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Man, you people make me want to go kick an iMac." - Response to a Mac FanBoy on the critical Leopard "move" bug - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2720 *************************