From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Jan 9 09:58:23 2008 From: xj-digest xj-digest Wednesday, January 9 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2722 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Re: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps Re: xj: Re: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps Re: xj: Re: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps Re: xj: Re: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps xj: RE: preventing theft of our jeeps RE: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! RE: xj: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps Re: xj: RE: preventing theft of our jeeps XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:19:08 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps won't let me view the pix... one of my co-workers is into bmw's in a major way... I've had a couple over in europe... a '67 2000CS and a '71 2500. happy with my '91 300D 2.5L Turbo Diesel though, sure would be nice if it were 4matic... it does have traction control/locking rear axle... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Jesse Barbieri wrote: # Believe it or not, my 1990 BMW 325IX has an onboard computer which I can # select a code, and have to type it in before I can start the engine. Three # wrong entries will cut the fuel pump and sound the horn. I don't know # exactly when they first utilized this computer, but I did see one in a 1986 # 325. Also, I can change the code each time after I start the engine. # # # If nobody knows what the 325IX is, here is some off-topic info: # # AWD sedan that is better than a stock XJ!!! # The 325IX is a rare BMW that was imported from 1986 to 1991 # I have a 1989 and a 1990 # # My 1989 has 429,000 miles on it. # My 1990 has 232,000 miles on it. # # # Check out my pictures of the two here: # # http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32035495&albumId=0 # # # # Jesse. # # ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Hansen" # To: # Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:33 PM # Subject: xj: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps # # # > The crooks know that you'll be in church until a certain time and they have # > that time to do their dirty work... Another good reason to stay out of # > church!!!! # > # > ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" # > To: "xj" # > Cc: "fsj list" # > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:46 PM # > Subject: xj: preventing theft of our jeeps # > # > # > > interesting device... # > > # > > also interesting that they didn't tear out the ignition on my '91 GW... # > > probably because they found the keys in the house... but not the key # > > to the club... weird... # > > # > > might be a well spent $60... but like Alan, who would expect your # > > ride to be swiped in a church parking lot??? # > > # > > do alarm systems help? they're going off all the time so who even # > > looks??? # > > # > > # > > But, I prefer other electronics countermeasures... :) # > > # > > one idea is to have a bank of switches on the dash... use a binary # > > code to latch the correct combination in... wrong code sets off # > > the horn/lights/disables ignition, etc. :) # > > # > > critical stuff is routed through the right combination of switches... # > > things that would prevent under the hood hotwiring... custom wiring # > > and routing would also help... anything that throughs these dirt bags # > > off the trail is the plan... # > > # > > and of course, there are other ideas, like: # > > # > > removing the driveshafts # > > and ignition coil are also good deterents... :) # > > # > > hey, maybe if we flatten all four tires and then refill them before # > > driving off? :) # > > # > > I won't share any of my other ideas... :) # > > # > > ----- # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > > there's a solution for every problem; # > > problem is can we afford the solution? # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > > # > > # > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # > > # > > # http://simjack.com:8185/cargard.htm # > > # The only thing that makes anything with a GM ignition column harder to # > > steal! # > > # # > > # # > > # From: john # > > # Subject: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! # > > # # > > # while not revealing HOW TO steal an XJ (at least not on list...) # > > # what would be splendid is information on how NOT to have one # > > # stolen... # > > # # > > # my '91 Grand Wagoneer was stolen out of the PO's garage, a locked # > > # garage... with a club attached to the wheel!!!! the thieves cut # > > # the steering wheel to remove the club... # > > # # > > # john # >> # _________________________________________________________________ # > > # Watch ^SCause Effect,^T a show about real people making a real # > > difference. # > > # http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause # > > # # > # > __________ NOD32 2772 (20080107) Information __________ # > # > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. # > http://www.eset.com # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:22:42 -0600 From: "David Smith" Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps too bad your link is myspace -- it'd be much easier if we could see those pics without creating an account or whatever. with the kind of thefts these are, i wonder if the xj had an alarm installed? some people don't believe in alarms, i have an alarm on my zj, personally i know how easy it is to defeat (I've had to do it myself), but the little blinky light seems to serve more as a deterrent than anything.. thieves move on to vehicles without. on that note i have a fairly high quality alarm installed, a clifford with two-way remote. it has starter cut, etc, again its not hard to bypass due to the installation location, but at least it doesnt go off every time a big truck/noisy vehicle drives by, which is the major downfall of most cheap alarms ive ever seen. the whole punch in a code idea is a really neat anti-vehicle theft idea, especially if well implemented. i've thought of making my own, where the control pad has no actual wiring that has to do with the ignition but instead communicates with a real module under the hood or elsewhere that can conveniently relay-off an important wire somewhere. my 2c On 1/8/08, Jesse Barbieri wrote: > > Believe it or not, my 1990 BMW 325IX has an onboard computer which I can > select a code, and have to type it in before I can start the > engine. Three > wrong entries will cut the fuel pump and sound the horn. I don't know > exactly when they first utilized this computer, but I did see one in a > 1986 > 325. Also, I can change the code each time after I start the engine. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:19:14 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps Hey All An IX is one of the cars I am looking for...almost bought a wrecked one, but it was too far gone. Id want a 89-91 four door, auto or 5 speed. They seem to be harder and harder to come by, although once in a while youll see one for a fairly good price. The real nice ones are in the $7-9K plus range as Ive seen. A while back there was one up here in Tacoma...an 88 2 door 5 speed with 2700 miles on it on ebay. I think it end up selling for $12K or something. My mom's 525 had that alarm...it would also go off if anyone opened the hood as well. But it was pretty inconvenient to set unless you were away on a long trip or something. And even then there is a lengthy way to bypass it if you forgot the code. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:21:31 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps Actually, they stole my XJ in the middle of the night, it was left there when my friend was away on a middle school retreat. There were several cars in the parking lot, mine I guess being the easy one to steal. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:37:06 -0700 From: "Gary" Subject: xj: RE: preventing theft of our jeeps Your other ideas might be along my ideas as I am all for a claymore mine or bouncing betty under the front seat, they would be able to steal it but you would certainly find out who and where it ended up at...... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:46 PM To: xj Cc: fsj list Subject: xj: preventing theft of our jeeps interesting device... also interesting that they didn't tear out the ignition on my '91 GW... probably because they found the keys in the house... but not the key to the club... weird... might be a well spent $60... but like Alan, who would expect your ride to be swiped in a church parking lot??? do alarm systems help? they're going off all the time so who even looks??? But, I prefer other electronics countermeasures... :) one idea is to have a bank of switches on the dash... use a binary code to latch the correct combination in... wrong code sets off the horn/lights/disables ignition, etc. :) critical stuff is routed through the right combination of switches... things that would prevent under the hood hotwiring... custom wiring and routing would also help... anything that throughs these dirt bags off the trail is the plan... and of course, there are other ideas, like: removing the driveshafts and ignition coil are also good deterents... :) hey, maybe if we flatten all four tires and then refill them before driving off? :) I won't share any of my other ideas... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # http://simjack.com:8185/cargard.htm # The only thing that makes anything with a GM ignition column harder to steal! # # # From: john # Subject: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! # # while not revealing HOW TO steal an XJ (at least not on list...) # what would be splendid is information on how NOT to have one # stolen... # # my '91 Grand Wagoneer was stolen out of the PO's garage, a locked # garage... with a club attached to the wheel!!!! the thieves cut # the steering wheel to remove the club... # # john # _________________________________________________________________ # Watch ^SCause Effect,^T a show about real people making a real difference. # http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:38:20 -0700 From: "Gary" Subject: RE: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! I use a brake locking device, they can steal it but it will be hard to stop at the lights.... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jim Blair Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 1:45 PM To: xj; fsj list Subject: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! http://simjack.com:8185/cargard.htm The only thing that makes anything with a GM ignition column harder to steal! From: john Subject: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! while not revealing HOW TO steal an XJ (at least not on list...) what would be splendid is information on how NOT to have one stolen... my '91 Grand Wagoneer was stolen out of the PO's garage, a locked garage... with a club attached to the wheel!!!! the thieves cut the steering wheel to remove the club... john _________________________________________________________________ Watch ^SCause Effect,^T a show about real people making a real difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:55:39 -0600 From: Allen Zylstra Subject: RE: xj: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps Our church is across the street from the police station. Allen> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:51:25 -0800> From: john-at-wagoneers.com> To: xj-at-digest.net> Subject: Re: xj: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps> > naw, just another reason to post armed guards at church... ;)> > we often have visible police presence at church... our pastor> has had death threats... long story...> > -----> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> there's a solution for every problem;> problem is can we afford the solution?> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Don Hansen wrote:> > # The crooks know that you'll be in church until a certain time and they have> # that time to do their dirty work... Another good reason to stay out of> # church!!!!> # > # ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" > # To: "xj" > # Cc: "fsj list" > # Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:46 PM> # Subject: xj: preventing theft of our jeeps> # > # > # > interesting device...> # >> # > also interesting that they didn't tear out the ignition on my '91 GW...> # > probably because they found the keys in the house... but not the key> # > to the club... weird...> # >> # > might be a well spent $60... but like Alan, who would expect your> # > ride to be swiped in a church parking lot???> # >> # > do alarm systems help? they're going off all the time so who even> # > looks???> # >> # >> # > But, I prefer other electronics countermeasures... :)> # >> # > one idea is to have a bank of switches on the dash... use a binary> # > code to latch the correct combination in... wrong code sets off> # > the horn/lights/disables ignition, etc. :)> # >> # > critical stuff is routed through the right combination of switches...> # > things that would prevent under the hood hotwiring... custom wiring> # > and routing would also help... anything that throughs these dirt bags> # > off the trail is the plan...> # >> # > and of course, there are other ideas, like:> # >> # > removing the driveshafts> # > and ignition coil are also good deterents... :)> # >> # > hey, maybe if we flatten all four tires and then refill them before> # > driving off? :)> # >> # > I won't share any of my other ideas... :)> # >> # > -----> # > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **> # > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> # > there's a solution for every problem;> # > problem is can we afford the solution?> # > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> # >> # >> # > On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Jim Blair wrote:> # >> # > # http://simjack.com:8185/cargard.htm> # > # The only thing that makes anything with a GM ignition column harder to > # > steal!> # > #> # > #> # > # From: john > # > # Subject: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help!> # > #> # > # while not revealing HOW TO steal an XJ (at least not on list...)> # > # what would be splendid is information on how NOT to have one> # > # stolen...> # > #> # > # my '91 Grand Wagoneer was stolen out of the PO's garage, a locked> # > # garage... with a club attached to the wheel!!!! the thieves cut> # > # the steering wheel to remove the club...> # > #> # > # john> # > # _________________________________________________________________> # > # Watch ^SCause Effect,^T a show about real people making a real> # > # difference.> # > # http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause> # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista. + Windows Live^Y. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_ CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:57:49 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: RE: preventing theft of our jeeps the goal is to keep the jeep intact... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Gary wrote: # Your other ideas might be along my ideas as I am all for a claymore mine or # bouncing betty under the front seat, they would be able to steal it but you # would certainly find out who and where it ended up at...... # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:46 PM # To: xj # Cc: fsj list # Subject: xj: preventing theft of our jeeps # # interesting device... # # also interesting that they didn't tear out the ignition on my '91 GW... # probably because they found the keys in the house... but not the key # to the club... weird... # # might be a well spent $60... but like Alan, who would expect your # ride to be swiped in a church parking lot??? # # do alarm systems help? they're going off all the time so who even looks??? # # # But, I prefer other electronics countermeasures... :) # # one idea is to have a bank of switches on the dash... use a binary # code to latch the correct combination in... wrong code sets off # the horn/lights/disables ignition, etc. :) # # critical stuff is routed through the right combination of switches... # things that would prevent under the hood hotwiring... custom wiring # and routing would also help... anything that throughs these dirt bags # off the trail is the plan... # # and of course, there are other ideas, like: # # removing the driveshafts # and ignition coil are also good deterents... :) # # hey, maybe if we flatten all four tires and then refill them before # driving off? :) # # I won't share any of my other ideas... :) # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # there's a solution for every problem; # problem is can we afford the solution? # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # # # http://simjack.com:8185/cargard.htm # # The only thing that makes anything with a GM ignition column harder to # steal! # # # # # # From: john # # Subject: Re: xj: Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! # # # # while not revealing HOW TO steal an XJ (at least not on list...) # # what would be splendid is information on how NOT to have one # # stolen... # # # # my '91 Grand Wagoneer was stolen out of the PO's garage, a locked # # garage... with a club attached to the wheel!!!! the thieves cut # # the steering wheel to remove the club... # # # # john # # _________________________________________________________________ # # Watch ^SCause Effect,^T a show about real people making a real difference. # # http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause # # # ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2722 *************************