From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Jan 13 21:42:04 2008 From: xj-digest xj-digest Monday, January 14 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2725 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: Rear wiper wiring for 97 JGC Re: xj: Re: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps Re: xj: Re: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps Re: xj: Re: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps Re: xj: Re: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps Re: xj: Rear wiper wiring for 97 JGC Re: xj: Re: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps xj: a sunday drive... XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:41:33 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Kummel Subject: xj: Rear wiper wiring for 97 JGC SO... My wife's JGC rear wiper motor decided to stop working...when I removed it and saw that it was French designed and manufactured, I knew instantly that this would be the most confusingly over-engineered piece of mechanical garbage one could ever hope to interact with... So I ordered a replacement motor from Rock Auto. Not a bad price, and it looks exactly like the original. Now the bad news. I plugged it into the wiring connector and it doesn't work. But here is where it gets weird... If you push the connector s*l*o*w*l*y into the motor, the motor will run and the arm actuator will move back and forth...If you continue to insert the connector, it will stop. it will do this on the constant on position of the dash switch and on the delay position... Here is what I found out: the connector has ?6? connections...6? what the heck? OK...the black is ground, the pink is 12v on all the time (return the wiper to the parked position) then there are a bunch of brown with stripes...One powers the motor in constant motion, and one powers the motor in delay motion...what the other two do? who the heck knows... Now it gets confusing...while I didn't unwrap the wiring harness to trace the wires, electronically I'm confused...Turns out that the wiring harness exits (or enters) the rear hatch through two locations...at the top on either side of the 3rd brake light...and disappear under the headliner in the vehicle. Both connectors have the pink 12v connector that electrically connect to the wiper motor, both have the 12 ground wire that electrically connect to the motor. One has 2 of the brown with stripes and the other has 3 brown with stripes (it duplicates one from the other side).I can't trace this crap! It doesn't make sense! So, my plea to those that can hear me is...does anyone have a wiring diagram of how this whole thing is supposed to work? I suppose it could be any of the years near 96,...I dont' suspect that they changed much in the surrounding years... Thanks for listening to my gripe and plea. Ed web/gadget guru - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Man, you people make me want to go kick an iMac." - Response to a Mac FanBoy on the critical Leopard "move" bug - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:09:52 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps makes me want to eliminate the ignition switch all together... :) that way I can leave it running and just lock the doors when it's cold. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, Ed Kummel wrote: # Yeah, mu buddies at the time called it the "secret handshake". Saying that my car won't start up unless you knew the secret handshake... # I will tell you this though...You can't have any level of alcohol in you in order to get it to work right (not that I would know first hand, you know...) You truely need to know what you're doiing in order to start the vehicle. It reminds me of a VW Beetle a neigbor friend had...on the floor just beneath the rear seat cushion, het had a switch...and on the dash, he had three rotary knobs that had numbers on them and there was a light. The light would glow if the swtich beneath the rear seat was flipped, then you "dialed in" the *secret* combination and flipped a momentary switch that replaced the ignition key. Once started, you quickly rotated the knobs to obsfucate the *secret* combination. To shut the engine down, you flipped the switch beneath the rear seat in the other direction...the engine died when the glowing light went out...We use that car to deliver news papers...what a pain that was remembering to do all the steps in the right order. # Ed # web/gadget guru # # David Smith wrote: # heh :) i was feeling creative last night. # another pitfall i thought of, the hidden switch has to pass enough current # to power two relay coils, really shouldnt be an issue. i'd assume that # whatever wire you choose to "disable/enable" the vehicle would be less than # an amp of current anyway, if chosen well, and that way you could use three # fairly small relays. # # also hadn't thought about it until after, but the way this thing is set up, # if you were to use a hidden switch that was only on when the vehicle is # powered on, then lets say you left the switch in the on position, blink your # hibeams and off you go to the store. you get to the store, turn off the car # but leave the switch in the on position. upon returning to your vehicle, # turn the key to on position, then blink the hibeams to enable.. # # the whole hibeam blip in itself would probably be enough to befuddle any # robber anyway ;) # # On 1/11/08, Ed Kummel wrote: # > # > Wow...I was going to attempt to find my old notebook (stashed away from # > several moves and 30 years of being lost) but that design seems to be pretty # > close to what I had. Although I only remember using 2 relays (I had a few # > spare foglight relays from helping a buddy install lights on his truck) but # > your design seems to be better. Less chance of things going wrong... # > Ed # > web/gadget guru # # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # "Man, you people make me want to go kick an iMac." # - Response to a Mac FanBoy on the critical Leopard "move" bug # # --------------------------------- # Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:10:35 -0600 From: "David Smith" Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps yeah ok thats a new level of difficulty, if i personally have had troubles with pushing the correct button on my car alarm ;) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:22:22 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps yeah, and so did my mechanic's assistant... I've got a $29.95 Fry's alarm with 4 buttons.... two gray, one blue and one red... I didn't think, locked the car with the alarm... top button... all he needed to do was push the second button and it would have opened up... he couldn't figure it out and must have hit the panic button... calls me up and says he's going to rip the alarm system out because he can't figure out how to shut it up... sheesh... how hard can four buttons be??? ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 12 Jan 2008, David Smith wrote: # yeah ok thats a new level of difficulty, if i personally have had troubles # with pushing the correct button on my car alarm ;) # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:28:52 -0600 From: "David Smith" Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps thankfully, when drunk, too difficult ?:) On 1/12/08, john wrote: > > yeah, and so did my mechanic's assistant... I've got > a $29.95 Fry's alarm with 4 buttons.... two gray, > one blue and one red... I didn't think, locked the car > with the alarm... top button... all he needed to do was > push the second button and it would have opened up... he > couldn't figure it out and must have hit the panic button... > calls me up and says he's going to rip the alarm system > out because he can't figure out how to shut it up... sheesh... > > how hard can four buttons be??? > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > there's a solution for every problem; > problem is can we afford the solution? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Sat, 12 Jan 2008, David Smith wrote: > > # yeah ok thats a new level of difficulty, if i personally have had > troubles > # with pushing the correct button on my car alarm ;) > # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:50:36 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Rear wiper wiring for 97 JGC Ed, it's very likely that this is the same wiring as the GW, XJ or even the WJ... send me an email off list and I'll see if I can find the one pdf from a '99 wj with the wiper wiring for you later... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, Ed Kummel wrote: # SO... # My wife's JGC rear wiper motor decided to stop working...when I removed it and saw that it was French designed and manufactured, I knew instantly that this would be the most confusingly over-engineered piece of mechanical garbage one could ever hope to interact with... # So I ordered a replacement motor from Rock Auto. # Not a bad price, and it looks exactly like the original. # Now the bad news. I plugged it into the wiring connector and it doesn't work. # But here is where it gets weird... # If you push the connector s*l*o*w*l*y into the motor, the motor will run and the arm actuator will move back and forth...If you continue to insert the connector, it will stop. it will do this on the constant on position of the dash switch and on the delay position... # Here is what I found out: # the connector has ?6? connections...6? what the heck? # OK...the black is ground, the pink is 12v on all the time (return the wiper to the parked position) then there are a bunch of brown with stripes...One powers the motor in constant motion, and one powers the motor in delay motion...what the other two do? who the heck knows... # Now it gets confusing...while I didn't unwrap the wiring harness to trace the wires, electronically I'm confused...Turns out that the wiring harness exits (or enters) the rear hatch through two locations...at the top on either side of the 3rd brake light...and disappear under the headliner in the vehicle. Both connectors have the pink 12v connector that electrically connect to the wiper motor, both have the 12 ground wire that electrically connect to the motor. One has 2 of the brown with stripes and the other has 3 brown with stripes (it duplicates one from the other side).I can't trace this crap! It doesn't make sense! # So, my plea to those that can hear me is...does anyone have a wiring diagram of how this whole thing is supposed to work? I suppose it could be any of the years near 96,...I dont' suspect that they changed much in the surrounding years... # # Thanks for listening to my gripe and plea. # Ed # web/gadget guru # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # "Man, you people make me want to go kick an iMac." # - Response to a Mac FanBoy on the critical Leopard "move" bug # # --------------------------------- # Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:39:47 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: preventing theft of our jeeps K is the designator for relays in schematics... ...really. I checked one of the textbooks I used to teach out of just to make sure. :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, David Smith wrote: # mmm not sure. SPDT = single pole double throw # # # On 1/11/08, john wrote: # > # > aren't relays designated by a K? # > # > it's been almost 20 years since did circuit design... wow... it's been # > that # > long???? # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:41:16 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: a sunday drive... http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/01-Jan-13-a-drive-Monroe-Snohomish/ http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/01-Jan-13-a-drive-Monroe-Snohomish/ALL.html ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2725 *************************