From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Jan 17 14:12:50 2008 From: xj-digest xj-digest Thursday, January 17 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2728 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: info on french car inspections... xj: the nerve... Re: xj: the nerve... xj: adventures on I-5 XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:54:39 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: info on french car inspections... this just in from a friend in the bay area from france... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, michel balea wrote: # Hummmm, you can register a 20 year old wagoneer..... the only caveat are the # technical inspections.... which are pretty stricts: rust will be a no no..... # # the visits starts on year 4th , then every other year.... a very good # incentive not to keep your car too long... a good boost for the local # economy..... It seems like the world is really running on a strong # automotive economic machine.... GM cough, Ford choke Chrysler sneeze # and the world is coming to a slow down..... # # brakes, shocks integrity (all four side tested independly) steering, # headlights alignement, windshield opacity, oil leaks... yes, labelled as # integrity of engine, smog test and the final is the integrity of # accessories... like the good quality of the seat.... # # http://www.controletechnique.info/points-de-controle-technique/pollution-niveau-sonore-10.html # # As usual too much legislation to profit a few.... just like the remote # controlled thermostats proposed in Kali.... Woodstove/fireplace are already # banned in new constructions in San Fran. # # # Rover at 60 mpg.... then what happened to the 90mpg diesel honda accord.... it # was released 1 year ago in the UK... # # Michel # # > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:23:26 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: ejpomeroy-at-qtm.net # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net; jasonbassett-at-juno.com; # diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: New Rover with 60MPG hybrid diesel!! You go John! # > # > didn't france pass a law a few years ago that you couldn't # > register cars over 5 years old or something like that??? I recall # > reading something along those lines, but do not remember the details # > and probably have them wrong... # > # > anyone remember this? it may be in our digests... I surely commented # > on it to the lists... # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > there's a solution for every problem; # > problem is can we afford the solution? # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # > # > You don't really want to know the answer to that. To list some of the # > insanity going on in Europe - by 2012 no car can emit more than 140 grams # of # > CO2 per some number of miles, I don't have the rules and formulas # memorized # > but can dig it up at work if necessary. All parts of the car must be # > recyclable and you the buyer are paying for that cost up front when you # buy a # > new car. To the extreme that the materials used in the car must be # designed # > to be easily removed and recycled (if unchecked, this may kill the old # car # > hobby in europe, there is one hell of a fight going on now over just # that). # > As you may be aware, the nanny state now requires all trucks over 2 tons # to # > have a trip recorder in it that logs speed and mileage and you are taxed # on # > road usage or fined for breaking the law based on the readings, so if you # are # > a trucker, you are locked in to so many hours of driving per day and at # no # > more than the mandated speeds (they use team drivers to get around the # > driving time limits on long haul). Then you have to take a break, stop at # a # > hotel or whatever. It is already increasing the cost of shipping intra EU # > like crazy. And if you are a private party that happens to want a nice # large # > truck, you too are snared in this idiocy plus you need to get a CDL to # drive # > your private truck (and the cost of doing so runs into the thousands of # > dollars). Also, in Norway for example, they passed a law that says that # a # > truck by definition cannot carry more than 3 persons in the front seats so # if # > you want a twin cab US truck (or a HUMMER) over there, you have to strip # out # > the rear seats and use it only for cargo or you can't get it registered. # And # > on and on it goes. Welcome to the brave new EU world. # > Our new CAFE standard is a baby step down this road, I am a proponent of # > letting the marketplace determine what is built. If people demand smaller # > vehicles, the industry will go that way, if they don't, it won't. (but by # > golly the elites will force you to like it!). # > # > Edward # > # > jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > # > >What environmentally paranoid legislation are they referencing in 2012? # Some # > >dastardly anti-capitalist UN mandate? # > > # > >J # > > # > >-- Edward Pomeroy wrote: # > >I stripped out the picture - go to the website to look. # > >Edward # > > # > > # > >An advanced hybrid diesel engine, capable of returning 60mpg will power # > >the planned production version of Land Rover's stunning LRX, it has been # > >announced. # > > # > > # > >Tipped to go on sale in 2009, the three door cross-coupe was the star of # > >this year's 2008 Detroit Motor Show, and dramatically takes Land Rover # > >into an uncharted sector of the new car market. # > > # > >"The LRX concept delivers the powerful message that we are as serious # > >about sustainability as we are confident about the relevance and # > >desirability of our vehicles" said Phil Popham, Land Rovers managing # > >director. "LRX is in every respect a Land Rover, but it is a very # > >different Land Rover," he added. # > > # > >Though exact details of the engine are still top secret, the firm has # > >announced that the 2.0-litre diesel electric hybrid unit will be capable # > >of running on bio fuel, and is the first to feature the firm's newly # > >developed Electric Rear Axle Drive (ERAD). # > > # > >This will allow the car to drive in a fully electric mode at low speeds, # > >while retaining unbeatable off road ability and impressive on road # > >performance. # > > # > >With a CO2 output of 120g/km, the car meets tough new emissions # > >legislation, due to be introduced in 2012. # > > # > >More LAND ROVER LRX: # > > # > > o News, Auto Express News: Land Rover LRX # > > # # _________________________________________________________________ # Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. # http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:57:07 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: the nerve... I went to that site... from my friend from france who lives in the bay area... and wouldn't you know... it's in FRENCH!!! what nerve! no "1" for english or spanish... imagine the nerve of those people to only offer their language... :) http://www.controletechnique.info/points-de-controle-technique/pollution-niveau-sonore-10.html john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:49:15 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: the nerve... You think that's funny, but France has a law that says that if you have a product that is used in France, that the instructions on it's use MUST be in French. That's why you see so many things with instructions written in French... Ed web/gadget guru john wrote: I went to that site... from my friend from france who lives in the bay area... and wouldn't you know... it's in FRENCH!!! what nerve! no "1" for english or spanish... imagine the nerve of those people to only offer their language... :) http://www.controletechnique.info/points-de-controle-technique/pollution-niveau-sonore-10.html john - ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? "Man, you people make me want to go kick an iMac." - Response to a Mac FanBoy on the critical Leopard "move" bug - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:12:19 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: adventures on I-5 the continuing adventures on I-5... At this time, my son is north of Redding, CA, heading through the worst of the passes in the next few hours... hoping he'll make Medford, Oregon by 4pm/dark so he doesn't have to deal with the Siskiyous in the dark. Roads are clear but the temps are in the upper 20's at the highest point on I-5 (around 4,300 feet). After 4 years in the US Air Force he's a free man... driving a U-haul truck with car trailer carrying his '74 Javelin with a Ford 460. He should be home around midnight tonight (Thurs 17 Jan 2008). Tomorrow we try to pack 10lbs of crap into a 5lb bag... unload the truck and try to figure out where to put his stuff... should be loads of fun... Then, if there is time, we'll run down to Centralia to retrieve Omega (my '91 Grand Wag). Curtis is finished with it, but it's not running... still many little things left to do. He had it running briefly so there is hope of having it going this weekend. Then after Mark and I rebuild the carport we'll head back down to retrieve Superdawg (my '83 J10 stepside), by then curtis claims he'll have it reassembled enough to be towed home. Only seven years... another proof that outsourcing doesn't work... seems like my employer also learned this painful lesson... If you want something done, you need to do it yourself. I'm going to miss one of my grad school classes tomorrow... oh, so sad. ;) ONLY six more class sessions left until I'm done... graduate 16 Feb 2008!!! Will be nice to be done with it. Glad I did it. Embry Riddle Aeronautical University's Masters of Science in Technical Management degree program is excellent. I started out with a cohort of about 22 folks, the class is down to about 12 that have seen it through. Right at two full years. Every other weekend Friday evening and Saturday. I finished my tmcp project last year, so when this last class is done, I'm done... :) http://wagoneers.com/CS/XP_vs_LINUX.pdf If you're on I-5 north of Redding, keep your eyes open for a U-haul with black and white javelin on a car trailer... :) later, john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2728 *************************