From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Feb 20 10:41:29 2008 From: xj-digest xj-digest Wednesday, February 20 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2745 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: xj: 42RE help? xj: Cubic inches to cost cubic money? RE: xj: 42RE help? xj: RE: Cubic inches to cost cubic money? Re: xj: Cubic inches to cost cubic money? Re: xj: RE: Cubic inches to cost cubic money? RE: xj: 42RE help? XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:46:33 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help? atlanta is the best of the south... I lived in columbia, sc, augusta, and spent too much time in central fl. weather is great in ga for car projects... I didn't have a carport either... wouldn't live in ga for all the cheese in wisconsin ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote: # John, I am in Atlanta. Iowa/MN is home. # # Allen> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:57:54 -0800> From: john-at-wagoneers.com> To: # xj-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help?> > "back to the midwest" where are # you now?> > a carport works fine in Seattle. ;) > > if the tailgate on omega # every messes up... :)> > -----> # ----------------------------------------------------------------------> # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **> # ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > On # Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote:> > # I know I would have to build it # and it will probably never happen. I was> # thinking that using the forward # part of the XJ and cutting it right behind the> # rear seat. Then use the rear # of the MJ cab and the floor so that it would> # have the frame mounts for the # box, but I think I would like to shorten the box> # down some. I would like to # keep the wheelbase within reason and I wouldn't> # need a long bed. Also the # most offroad it would see is the backyard.> # > # This is in the brainstorming # arena as I don't even have a carport to work in.> # > # Looking to make a move # back to the midwest with hopes of getting a home with a> # shop. Then things # may move forward.> # > # Allen> # > # > From: carnuck-at-hotmail.com> To: # xj-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help?>> # Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:33:52 # -0800> > You'd have to build it as they didn't> # come that way. There are a # few modded> XJs> with boxes (I sold the back 1/2 of> # a parted MJ cab to one # of the very first,> if> not THE first, "Cheromanche"> # builder)> > > From: # Allen Zylstra > Subject: RE: xj:> # 42RE help?> > It # said runs good, but needs a steering column. I think I will> # hold out for> a # nice example. I would really like a 4 door comanche.> > My ZJ> # has been a # good vehicle even though the reviews on them has been> terrible.> >> # Allen> # _________________________________________________________________>> # Connect # and share in new ways with Windows Live.>> # # http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008> # # _________________________________________________________________> # Shed # those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser!> # # http://biggestloser.msn.com/> # # _________________________________________________________________ # Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your # "fix". # http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:42:31 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: Cubic inches to cost cubic money? Coming to WA state soon and then YOUR town next! Subject: Car Tabs Increase - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vehicle License Fee Bill SB6900 Hello, There is a bill that the Washington State Legislature is trying to pass in Olympia that, if successful, will directly add huge costs to our vehicle license fees. Everyone needs to know about so this situation so that you can contact your representatives and voice your objection. The bill is SB 6900 and it adds an "engine displacement" fee to the vehicle license tabs upon renewal. The fee has a varied amount depending on the size of the vehicle's engine: Engine Size (liters) Rate Schedule Up to 1.9 $0 2.0 - 2.9 $70 3.0 - 3.9 $225 4.0 - 4.9 $275 5.0 - 5.9 $325 6.0 - 7.9 $400 8.0 or over $600 For each car & truck that you own, calculate the rate by matching the engine size in liters to the dollar amount. Add the amounts for each vehicle and you'll see that the average two car family will be paying $500+ every year in "displacement fees" on top of the normal license fees. If you have three vehicles, you'll be paying even more. The average family is already struggling with the high cost of gasoline, electricity, food and everything else, and our lawmakers want us to pay more, thinking we have unlimited deep pockets. This will do great damage to the budgets of retirees on fixed incomes as well. Now is the time to be very vocal against this bill. I have contacted all of our representatives, and I would encourage everyone reading this to do the same. Here's the web page for the bill where you can read the text: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6900&year=2007 Here's the link for contacting your representatives: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Default.aspx If we don't threaten mass rebellion over this, they'll pass this bill and we'll be paying huge fees every year on top of their increase in the gas tax. They have to know that we won't stand for any more taxes or increase in licensing fees. I've told my representatives that I will actively work to see that any lawmaker that supports this bill is replaced at election time. Please contact your legislators, then copy the text of this e mail, and forward it to as many people as possible that you know in Washington State, and encourage them to contact their representatives and strongly voice their objection to this bill. _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:53:22 -0600 From: Allen Zylstra Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help? The winter weather would be the only reason to stay. Allen in Atlanta> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:46:33 -0800> From: john-at-wagoneers.com> To: xj-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help?> > atlanta is the best of the south... I> lived in columbia, sc, augusta, and> spent too much time in central fl.> > weather is great in ga for car projects...> I didn't have a carport either...> > wouldn't live in ga for all the cheese in wisconsin> > -----> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote:> > # John, I am in Atlanta. Iowa/MN is home.> # > # Allen> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:57:54 -0800> From: john-at-wagoneers.com> To:> # xj-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help?> > "back to the midwest" where are> # you now?> > a carport works fine in Seattle. ;) > > if the tailgate on omega> # every messes up... :)> > ----->> # - ---------------------------------------------------------------------->> # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold>> # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **>> # - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > On> # Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote:> > # I know I would have to build it> # and it will probably never happen. I was> # thinking that using the forward> # part of the XJ and cutting it right behind the> # rear seat. Then use the rear> # of the MJ cab and the floor so that it would> # have the frame mounts for the> # box, but I think I would like to shorten the box> # down some. I would like to> # keep the wheelbase within reason and I wouldn't> # need a long bed. Also the> # most offroad it would see is the backyard.> # > # This is in the brainstorming> # arena as I don't even have a carport to work in.> # > # Looking to make a move> # back to the midwest with hopes of getting a home with a> # shop. Then things> # may move forward.> # > # Allen> # > # > From: carnuck-at-hotmail.com> To:> # xj-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help?>> # Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:33:52> # -0800> > You'd have to build it as they didn't> # come that way. There are a> # few modded> XJs> with boxes (I sold the back 1/2 of> # a parted MJ cab to one> # of the very first,> if> not THE first, "Cheromanche"> # builder)> > > From:> # Allen Zylstra > Subject: RE: xj:> # 42RE help?> > It> # said runs good, but needs a steering column. I think I will> # hold out for> a> # nice example. I would really like a 4 door comanche.> > My ZJ> # has been a> # good vehicle even though the reviews on them has been> terrible.> >> # Allen>> # _________________________________________________________________>> # Connect> # and share in new ways with Windows Live.>> #> # http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008> #> # _________________________________________________________________> # Shed> # those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser!> #> # http://biggestloser.msn.com/> #> # _________________________________________________________________> # Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your> # "fix".> # http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx> # _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:13:04 -0600 From: "Cohrs, Thomas" Subject: xj: RE: Cubic inches to cost cubic money? I forwarded this to several friends and one of the more active e-mailed her Senator and received this reply. I deleted her name for privacy. Did you happen to notice that all the bill's sponsors were Democrats? - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CC Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:56 PM To: Marr, Sen. Chris Subject: SB 6900 o VOTE NO! Please do not support license tag increases - bill 6900 - this is another tax that the state of WA cannot afford - it'll cripple our economy to say the least. I will watch closely your vote. Thank you. _________________________________________________________ From: Bumann, Barb [mailto:Bumann.Barb-at-leg.wa.gov] On Behalf Of Marr, Sen. Chris Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:58 PM To: CC Subject: RE: SB 6900 o VOTE NO! Thank you for writing. This bill did not get voted out of the Transportation committee (I don't think it even got a public hearing) and therefore won't be going to the Senate floor for a vote. Sen. Marr says he would not be in favor of it, regardless. Barb Barb Bumann Legislative Assistant to Sen. Chris Marr P.O. Box 40406 Leg. 417 Olympia, WA 98504 (360) 786-7610 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:23:59 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Cubic inches to cost cubic money? the bill is dead... several locals contacted their reps and killed it, or it died on it's own... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # Coming to WA state soon and then YOUR town next! # # Subject: Car Tabs Increase # # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # # Vehicle License Fee Bill SB6900 Hello, There is a bill that the Washington # State # Legislature is trying to pass in Olympia that, if successful, will directly # add # huge costs to our vehicle license fees. Everyone needs to know about so this # situation so that you can contact your representatives and voice your # objection. # The bill is SB 6900 and it adds an "engine displacement" fee to the vehicle # license # tabs upon renewal. The fee has a varied amount depending on the size of the # vehicle's # engine: Engine Size (liters) Rate Schedule Up to 1.9 $0 2.0 - 2.9 $70 3.0 - # 3.9 $225 # 4.0 - 4.9 $275 5.0 - 5.9 $325 6.0 - 7.9 $400 8.0 or over $600 For each car & # truck that # you own, calculate the rate by matching the engine size in liters to the # dollar amount. # Add the amounts for each vehicle and you'll see that the average two car # family will be # paying $500+ every year in "displacement fees" on top of the normal license # fees. If # you have three vehicles, you'll be paying even more. The average family is # already # struggling with the high cost of gasoline, electricity, food and everything # else, and # our lawmakers want us to pay more, thinking we have unlimited deep pockets. # This will # do great damage to the budgets of retirees on fixed incomes as well. Now is # the time # to be very vocal against this bill. I have contacted all of our # representatives, and I # would encourage everyone reading this to do the same. Here's the web page for # the bill # where you can read the text: # # http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6900&year=2007 # # Here's the link for contacting your representatives: # http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Default.aspx # # If we don't threaten mass rebellion over this, they'll pass this bill and # we'll be # paying huge fees every year on top of their increase in the gas tax. They have # to # know that we won't stand for any more taxes or increase in licensing fees. # I've # told my representatives that I will actively work to see that any lawmaker # that # supports this bill is replaced at election time. Please contact your # legislators, # then copy the text of this e mail, and forward it to as many people as # possible that # you know in Washington State, and encourage them to contact their # representatives and # strongly voice their objection to this bill. # _________________________________________________________________ # Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. # http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:39:19 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: RE: Cubic inches to cost cubic money? no, I hadn't noticed... the state is heavily democratic though... the rep I'm in touch with is also a democrat and she is against it, or at least mentioned it was dead... the thing is they keep doing stuff like this here... the paradigm is tax and spend... it's why boeing has moved it's corporate office and outsourced most of the new plane... bad move for us... created a lot of problems, but when business isn't a friend of the state it leaves... :( ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Cohrs, Thomas wrote: # I forwarded this to several friends and one of the more active e-mailed her # Senator and received this reply. I deleted her name for privacy. Did you # happen to notice that all the bill's sponsors were Democrats? # # --------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # From: CC # Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:56 PM # To: Marr, Sen. Chris # Subject: SB 6900 o VOTE NO! # # Please do not support license tag increases - bill 6900 - this is another # tax that the state of WA cannot afford - it'll cripple our economy to say # the least. I will watch closely your vote. Thank you. # _________________________________________________________ # # From: Bumann, Barb [mailto:Bumann.Barb-at-leg.wa.gov] On Behalf Of Marr, Sen. # Chris # Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:58 PM # To: CC # Subject: RE: SB 6900 o VOTE NO! # # Thank you for writing. This bill did not get voted out of the Transportation # committee (I don't think it even got a public hearing) and therefore won't # be going to the Senate floor for a vote. Sen. Marr says he would not be in # favor of it, regardless. # # Barb # # Barb Bumann # Legislative Assistant to # Sen. Chris Marr # P.O. Box 40406 # Leg. 417 # Olympia, WA 98504 # (360) 786-7610 # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:41:15 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help? do I hear a snow-bird in the making? the heat and humidity, spiders and bugs, sand and scrubby trees... and of course the locals... nuff said. I'd rather deal with sub-freezing ice and snow in a place that doesn't use road salt, like south dakota... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote: # The winter weather would be the only reason to stay. # # Allen in Atlanta> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:46:33 -0800> From: # john-at-wagoneers.com> To: xj-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help?> > atlanta # is the best of the south... I> lived in columbia, sc, augusta, and> spent too # much time in central fl.> > weather is great in ga for car projects...> I # didn't have a carport either...> > wouldn't live in ga for all the cheese in # wisconsin> > -----> # ----------------------------------------------------------------------> # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **> # ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > On # Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote:> > # John, I am in Atlanta. Iowa/MN is # home.> # > # Allen> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:57:54 -0800> From: # john-at-wagoneers.com> To:> # xj-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help?> > "back # to the midwest" where are> # you now?> > a carport works fine in Seattle. ;) > # > if the tailgate on omega> # every messes up... :)> > ----->> # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------->> # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold>> # # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **>> # # ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > # On> # Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote:> > # I know I would have to build # it> # and it will probably never happen. I was> # thinking that using the # forward> # part of the XJ and cutting it right behind the> # rear seat. Then # use the rear> # of the MJ cab and the floor so that it would> # have the frame # mounts for the> # box, but I think I would like to shorten the box> # down # some. I would like to> # keep the wheelbase within reason and I wouldn't> # # need a long bed. Also the> # most offroad it would see is the backyard.> # > # # This is in the brainstorming> # arena as I don't even have a carport to work # in.> # > # Looking to make a move> # back to the midwest with hopes of getting # a home with a> # shop. Then things> # may move forward.> # > # Allen> # > # > # From: carnuck-at-hotmail.com> To:> # xj-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help?>> # # Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:33:52> # -0800> > You'd have to build it as they # didn't> # come that way. There are a> # few modded> XJs> with boxes (I sold # the back 1/2 of> # a parted MJ cab to one> # of the very first,> if> not THE # first, "Cheromanche"> # builder)> > > From:> # Allen Zylstra # > Subject: RE: xj:> # 42RE help?> > It> # said runs # good, but needs a steering column. I think I will> # hold out for> a> # nice # example. I would really like a 4 door comanche.> > My ZJ> # has been a> # good # vehicle even though the reviews on them has been> terrible.> >> # Allen>> # # _________________________________________________________________>> # Connect> # # and share in new ways with Windows Live.>> #> # # http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008> # #> # _________________________________________________________________> # # Shed> # those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser!> #> # # http://biggestloser.msn.com/> #> # # _________________________________________________________________> # Need to # know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your> # "fix".> # # http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx> # # _________________________________________________________________ # Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your # "fix". # http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx # ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2745 *************************