From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Feb 22 10:54:36 2008 From: xj-digest xj-digest Friday, February 22 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2746 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: where are the real Jeeps? :) RE: xj: 42RE help? RE: xj: 42RE help? xj: bulletproof Jeep? RE: xj: 42RE help?(Now living Arkansas) xj: the bill on displacement XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:39:48 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: where are the real Jeeps? :) yeah, but the new Grand Cherokee (WK) isn't a real jeep... doesn't even have a Jeep designator: WK is not jeep... where's the J??? What were they thinking? It's some dodge /chrysler mutant with a jeep badge... independent front suspension without a solid axle is just so wrong... and the visibility is worse than on the WJ. thanx, but real Jeeps are built, not bought. :) However, it may be a suitable driveline donor once we figure out how to mate it to real axles. ;) and bypass all the computer security that probably ties that engine to the wheel covers and cupholders... ...my '99 WJs have been excellent vehicles, but some of the computer security has made things more complex then needed... my '99 WJ with the 4.7L V8 is a superb vehicle, only gripe really is the lack of forward visibility. Very reliable, smooth, fast, and powerful. I'd be driving it if my wife hadn't swiped it from me. ;) So I HAD to build my own Diesel powered Jeep.... trying to figure out how to get time to work on it now... want to take thurs or (and?) friday off to work on it... :) busy at work though.... later, john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Brian Knowles wrote: # I have the new issue of "Diesel Power" here, they have an article on # improvments to the new Jeep Grand Cherokee, that comes stock with "the 3.0 # Mercedes diesel", which I would guess is the V6. # # You don't have to make 'em in you back yard anymore, you can go to the store # an buy 'em now.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:24:46 -0600 From: Allen Zylstra Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help? The current job outlook in NW Arkansas. Similar climate without the traffic. Found a house with 19 acres for 145K. Allen > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:41:15 -0800> From: john-at-wagoneers.com> To: xj-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help?> > do I hear a snow-bird in the making?> > the heat and humidity, spiders and bugs, sand and scrubby trees... and of> course the locals... nuff said.> > I'd rather deal with sub-freezing ice and snow in a place that doesn't use> road salt, like south dakota...> > - -----> ----------------------------------------------------------------------> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote:> > # The winter weather would be the only reason to stay.> # > # Allen in Atlanta> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:46:33 - -0800> From:> # john-at-wagoneers.com> To: xj-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help?> > atlanta> # is the best of the south... I> lived in columbia, sc, augusta, and> spent too> # much time in central fl.> > weather is great in ga for car projects...> I> # didn't have a carport either...> > wouldn't live in ga for all the cheese in> # wisconsin> > ----->> # - ---------------------------------------------------------------------->> # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold>> # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **>> # - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > On> # Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote:> > # John, I am in Atlanta. Iowa/MN is> # home.> # > # Allen> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:57:54 -0800> From:> # john-at-wagoneers.com> To:> # xj-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help?> > "back> # to the midwest" where are> # you now?> > a carport works fine in Seattle. ;) >> # > if the tailgate on omega> # every messes up... :)> > ----->> #> # - ---------------------------------------------------------------------->> #> # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold>> #> # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **>> #> # - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > >> # On> # Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote:> > # I know I would have to build> # it> # and it will probably never happen. I was> # thinking that using the> # forward> # part of the XJ and cutting it right behind the> # rear seat. Then> # use the rear> # of the MJ cab and the floor so that it would> # have the frame> # mounts for the> # box, but I think I would like to shorten the box> # down> # some. I would like to> # keep the wheelbase within reason and I wouldn't> #> # need a long bed. Also the> # most offroad it would see is the backyard.> # > #> # This is in the brainstorming> # arena as I don't even have a carport to work> # in.> # > # Looking to make a move> # back to the midwest with hopes of getting> # a home with a> # shop. Then things> # may move forward.> # > # Allen> # > # >> # From: carnuck-at-hotmail.com> To:> # xj-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help?>>> # # Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:33:52> # -0800> > You'd have to build it as they> # didn't> # come that way. There are a> # few modded> XJs> with boxes (I sold> # the back 1/2 of> # a parted MJ cab to one> # of the very first,> if> not THE> # first, "Cheromanche"> # builder)> > > From:> # Allen Zylstra> # > Subject: RE: xj:> # 42RE help?> > It> # said runs> # good, but needs a steering column. I think I will> # hold out for> a> # nice> # example. I would really like a 4 door comanche.> > My ZJ> # has been a> # good> # vehicle even though the reviews on them has been> terrible.> >> # Allen>> #> # _________________________________________________________________>> # Connect>> # # and share in new ways with Windows Live.>> #> #> # http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008>> # #> # _________________________________________________________________> #> # Shed> # those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser!> #> #> # http://biggestloser.msn.com/> #> #> # _________________________________________________________________> # Need to> # know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your> # "fix".>> # # http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx> #> # _________________________________________________________________> # Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your> # "fix".> # http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx> # _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:57:52 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help? actually NW arkansas would be nicer, slightly less humid... not a bad area, will be a little colder in the winter, might see snow... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote: # The current job outlook in NW Arkansas. Similar climate without the traffic. # Found a house with 19 acres for 145K. # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:57:06 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: bulletproof Jeep? http://allafrica.com/stories/200802200438.html _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:20:33 -0600 From: Allen Zylstra Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help?(Now living Arkansas) I like snow, just not lots of it or the bitter cold like MN. I am only 30 so I don't know if I can become a snowbird yet. Allen> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:57:52 -0800> From: john-at-wagoneers.com> To: xj-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help?> > actually NW arkansas would be nicer, slightly less humid... not a bad area,> will be a little colder in the winter, might see snow...> > john> > -----> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote:> > # The current job outlook in NW Arkansas. Similar climate without the traffic.> # Found a house with 19 acres for 145K.> # _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:53:37 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: the bill on displacement this bill died an early death... I guess as taxpayers we better pay attention... they're coming for us at every opportunity... I'm sure it's not just here either... here's the text: S-4908.1 _____________________________________________ SENATE BILL 6900 _____________________________________________ State of Washington 60th Legislature 2008 Regular Session By Senators Tom, Kohl-Welles, Pridemore, Keiser, and Kline Read first time 02/01/08. Referred to Committee on Water, Energy & Telecommunications. 1 AN ACT Relating to establishing vehicle engine displacement and 2 emissions fees; adding new sections to chapter 46.17 RCW; providing 3 effective dates; and providing an expiration date. 4 BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF WASHINGTON: 5 NEW SECTION. Sec. 1. A new section is added to chapter 46.17 RCW 6 to read as follows: 7 (1) A vehicle engine displacement fee must be paid and collected 8 annually for motor vehicles subject to the fee under RCW 46.16.0621, 9 except motor homes. The amount of the fee must be based upon the 10 vehicle engine size in liters, which is correlated with vehicle size 11 and vehicle emissions. The fee imposed under this section must be used 12 for transportation purposes, and may not be used for the general 13 support of state government. The vehicle engine displacement fee is 14 that portion of the fee, as reflected on the engine size in liters set 15 forth in the schedule provided in this section, that is in excess of 16 the fees imposed under RCW 46.16.0621 and 46.17.010. For vehicles 17 registered on or after January 1, 2009, the vehicle engine displacement 18 fee under this section is due at the time of initial vehicle 19 registration and any subsequent renewal of vehicle registration. p. 1 SB 6900 1 Engine Size (liters) Rate Schedule 2 Up to 1.9 $0 3 2.0 - 2.9 $70 4 3.0 - 3.9 $225 5 4.0 - 4.9 $275 6 5.0 - 5.9 $325 7 6.0 - 7.9 $400 8 8.0 or over $600 9 (2) For the purpose of administering this section, the department 10 shall rely on the vehicle engine size in liters as provided by vehicle 11 manufacturers, or other sources defined by the department, to determine 12 the engine size in liters of each vehicle. The department shall adopt 13 rules for determining engine size in liters for vehicles that do not 14 have a manufacturer-provided engine size in liters. 15 (3) The vehicle engine displacement fee under this section is 16 imposed to provide funds to mitigate the impact of vehicle loads on the 17 state roads and highways, as well as encourage the reduction of vehicle 18 emissions and is separate and distinct from other vehicle license fees. 19 (4) The vehicle engine displacement fee collected under this 20 section must be deposited into the multimodal transportation account. 21 NEW SECTION. Sec. 2. A new section is added to chapter 46.17 RCW 22 to read as follows: 23 (1) A vehicle emissions fee must be paid and collected annually for 24 motor vehicles subject to the fee under RCW 46.16.0621, except motor 25 homes. The amount of the fee must be based upon the grams of carbon 26 dioxide (CO2) emission per mile. Fees imposed under this section must 27 be used for transportation purposes, and may not be used for the 28 general support of state government. The vehicle emissions fee is that 29 portion of the fee, as reflected on the grams of carbon dioxide (CO2) 30 emission per mile set forth in the schedule provided in this section, 31 that is in excess of the fees imposed under RCW 46.16.0621 and SB 6900 p. 2 1 46.17.010. On or after January 1, 2012, the vehicle emissions fee 2 under this section is due at the time of initial vehicle registration 3 and any subsequent renewal of vehicle registration. 4 CO2 Emissions (grams/mile) Rate Schedule 5 Up to 161 $0 6 162 - 193 $70 7 194 - 241 $225 8 242 - 266 $275 9 267 - 298 $325 10 299 - 362 $400 11 Over 362 $600 12 (2) For the purpose of administering this section, the department 13 shall rely on the grams of carbon dioxide (CO2) emission per mile as 14 provided by vehicle manufacturers, or other sources defined by the 15 department, to determine the grams of carbon dioxide (CO2) emission per 16 mile of each vehicle. The department shall adopt rules for determining 17 grams of carbon dioxide (CO2) emission per mile for vehicles without 18 manufacturer-provided information on grams of carbon dioxide (CO2) 19 emission per mile. 20 (3) The vehicle emissions fee under this section is imposed to 21 provide funds to mitigate the impact of vehicle loads on the state 22 roads and highways, as well as encourage the reduction of vehicle 23 emissions and is separate and distinct from other vehicle license fees. 24 (4) The vehicle emissions fee collected under this section must be 25 deposited into the multimodal transportation account. 26 NEW SECTION. Sec. 3. Section 1 of this act takes effect January 27 1, 2009. 28 NEW SECTION. Sec. 4. Section 2 of this act takes effect January 29 1, 2012. 30 NEW SECTION. Sec. 5. Section 1 of this act expires January 1, p. 3 SB 6900 1 2012. http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2007-08/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/6900.pdf ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2746 *************************