From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Apr 9 03:38:51 2008 From: xj-digest xj-digest Wednesday, April 9 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2770 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: AM/FM/Cassette for '92 XJ - free xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer xj: The Diesel Tree: Grow your own oil (fwd) Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer xj: Houston engine builders Re: xj: Houston engine builders xj: RE: the Omega project Re: xj: The Diesel Tree: Grow your own oil (fwd) XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:16:10 -0600 From: Donna&Joe Subject: xj: AM/FM/Cassette for '92 XJ - free Last month I finally replaced the factory AM/FM/Cassette in my '92 XJ, swapping it out for a Clarion unit from Crutchfield. Still works fine but is useless to me. Thought I'd see if anyone here wanted it before I toss it. Cover the shipping (certainly <$10) and I'd be happy to ship it off to a new home. Email me off-list if interested. I can take some measurements if necessary. - - Joe Richardson, in Los Alamos, NM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:11:53 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer 8 April 2008 Drove my 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer with the 6.2L Diesel to work. ...and parked next to a Ford Diesel, makes it clear why I built my Jeep instead of buying what is already a Diesel: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/firstcommute.jpg Topped off the main tank on the way in. Still have one injector that may be misfiring, hoping it will clear on it's own. Optimistic about the fuel economy... we'll see... :) http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/first_commute/ALL.html individual pictures: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/first_commute/ Here's some shots of the passenger side leaf spring install... My son and I did the driver's side last night in a very short time. The welded nut on the frame was in place, and stayed, thanks to NO RUST, despite being 17 years old. http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/rear-springs/ALL.html individual pictures: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/rear-springs/ Was a great feeling, but there still work to be done... :) of course, the list is getting shorter: seats, a/c, cruise, stereo, lights... :) more pictures: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ john meister ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:35:58 EDT From: Moontanman-at-aol.com Subject: Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer Nice dude, wanna sell it? Just kidding, I do like those old jeeps. I miss mind badly sometimes. Moon "The pilgrims came to America to escape religious persecution." "They then persecuted the Indians for having their own cultural and religious beliefs." Student, "What are they doing now?" Teacher, "Moving in on the rest of us." **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:58:48 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer for you, only $75,000, but it comes with an extra set of tires at that price. ;) I looked at buying a newer jeep with the Diesel, but they've ruined them with indepent front suspension, reduced visibility... etc... If this doesn't work out for some reason then I would consider building a Mercedes powered XJ... or maybe a WJ. :) XJs are about the perfect size... really liked my '85 TD. It was an expensive engine to keep going though, french... parts were scarce and pricey. Omega is all American... real iron... :) You're better off with the XJ though, these old Full Size Jeeps are thirsty and high-maintenance... you'll grow to love your XJ. :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Moontanman-at-aol.com wrote: # Nice dude, wanna sell it? Just kidding, I do like those old jeeps. I miss # mind badly sometimes. # # Moon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:04:47 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: The Diesel Tree: Grow your own oil (fwd) check this out. http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/the_diesel_tree_grow_your_own_oil.php will these things grow in Washington???? :) john http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/ ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Australian farmers in the wet tropical region of North Queensland have bought over 20,000 of these so-called diesel trees. The intention is that in 15 or so years they'll have their very own oil mine growing on their farmland. Because, the Brazilian Copaifera langsdorfii, to use its botanical name, can be tapped not unlike a rubber tree, but instead of yielding rubbery latex it gives up a natural diesel. According to the nurseryman selling the trees, one hectare will yield about 12,000 litres annually. * Once filtered-no complex refining required, apparently-it can be placed straight into a diesel tractor or truck. We read that a single Copaifera langsdorfii will continue to produce fuel oil for an impressive 70 years, with the only negative being that its particular form of diesel needs to be used within three months of extraction. Oddly this is not news. The Center for New Crops & Plant Products , at Purdue University reports that it was first reported to the western world as far back as 1625. They observe reports from 1979 saying "Natives ... drill a 5 centimeter hole into the 1-meter thick trunk and put a bung into it. Every 6 months or so, they remove the bung and collect 15 to 20 liters of the hydrocarbon." The UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation noted in a paper at the Eleventh world forestry congress back in 1997 on the topic of tree oil for cars that "... the potential of other alternatives such as the Amazon Copaifera langsdorfii need to be investigated." Copaifera langsdorfii can grow trunks 30 metres tall and store the oil in their unusual capilliary structure. The above image is a transverse section of the tree's cells. * I used to convert metric measurements in American imperial but when I discovered that the only countries that have failed to embrace metric are the USA, Liberia and Burma I stopped. However Purdue University record that "An acre of 100 mature trees might thus be able to produce 25 barrels of fuel per year." Via ABC and Sydney Morning Herald http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/the_diesel_tree_grow_your_own_oil.php ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:48:27 EDT From: Moontanman-at-aol.com Subject: Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer So far all my XJ does is soak up money, it would seem I was soaked when I bought it but that is pretty much par for the course. Now I have to replace all the tie rods and wheel bearings. Gas mileage really sucks, My old FSJ got pretty much the same mileage. Even better on the highway. I am stuck between a rock and a hard place but the futures so bright I gotta wear shades! I'll slowly get it up to snuff but it will take some time for sure! Moon "The pilgrims came to America to escape religious persecution." "They then persecuted the Indians for having their own cultural and religious beliefs." Student, "What are they doing now?" Teacher, "Moving in on the rest of us." **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:00:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer you'll get there... takes time to get a vehicle dialed in after abuse. ;) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Moontanman-at-aol.com wrote: # So far all my XJ does is soak up money, it would seem I was soaked when I # bought it but that is pretty much par for the course. Now I have to replace all # the tie rods and wheel bearings. Gas mileage really sucks, My old FSJ got # pretty much the same mileage. Even better on the highway. I am stuck between a # rock and a hard place but the futures so bright I gotta wear shades! I'll # slowly get it up to snuff but it will take some time for sure! # # Moon # # "The pilgrims came to America to escape # religious persecution." "They then persecuted the Indians for having # their own cultural and religious beliefs." Student, "What are they doing # now?" Teacher, "Moving in on the rest of us." # # # # # # # **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. # (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:59:18 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer Yeah, my 05 ram is evidence of that. And my brother's y2k xj seems to be evidence that a city driven vehicle can have a hard life too. Head's off, cracked in two places. The part that really got me mad was the golfball sized chunk of intake runner #1 that came off when I unbolted it. So now, my volkswagen jetta has an XJ intake manifold. ;) On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 03:00:06PM -0700, john wrote: > you'll get there... takes time to get a vehicle dialed in after abuse. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:33:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer say what??? # So now, my volkswagen jetta has an XJ intake manifold. ;) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:27:17 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer It's sitting in the trunk. Come on, john. I'm not the one trying to stick XJ engines in everything... :) On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 03:33:35PM -0700, john wrote: > say what??? > > # So now, my volkswagen jetta has an XJ intake manifold. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:38:08 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer rofl... actually, I try to put Mercedes or Detroit Diesels in stuff... well, I guess I did plan on putting an XJ engine into an SJ... put a Buick into a Luv, then an SJ... was going to put an Olds in an SJ... but finally settled on a Detroit Diesel in an SJ... and I think this will be the last major project, at least with the intent of making the ultimate daily driver... :) I suspect I will acquire other projects, they just seem to find me... and follow me home... hmmmm... thinking about that, I wonder how Omega will do with my neighbor's flat bed trailer... getting close to bringing Superdawg home... need to rebuild the carport first..., actually 2nd... need to finish taxes first. ;) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Kevin wrote: # It's sitting in the trunk. Come on, john. I'm not the one trying to stick XJ # engines in everything... :) # # On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 03:33:35PM -0700, john wrote: # > say what??? # > # > # So now, my volkswagen jetta has an XJ intake manifold. ;) # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:28:20 -0500 From: Tom Moulder Subject: xj: Houston engine builders Is there anyone in the Houston area that can rebuild a 85 2.5L w/carb (Weber)? It overheated and needs the gaskets,seals, and rings replaced I'm guessing without seeing it apart. If someone knows of a good and reasonable shop or would like to tackle it themselves for some coin (and has the experience and shop to do it in), please contact me. Thanks. Pardon me if you belong to several groups and get this more than once. I'm also using this as a test to see how many of these lists still exist. - -- 1. Never tell everything at once. tm / Houston / 85 Jeep Cherokee, 2 dr. 2.5L, 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:48:05 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Houston engine builders don't know anything about houston, but a lot of the mcparts stores have access to major engine rebuilders... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Tom Moulder wrote: # Is there anyone in the Houston area that can rebuild a 85 2.5L w/carb # (Weber)? It overheated and needs the gaskets,seals, and rings replaced I'm # guessing without seeing it apart. If someone knows of a good and reasonable # shop or would like to tackle it themselves for some coin (and has the # experience and shop to do it in), please contact me. Thanks. Pardon me if you # belong to several groups and get this more than once. I'm also using this as # a test to see how many of these lists still exist. # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:08:21 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: RE: the Omega project I did a quick check for GM diesels at the pull a part, but rain started and drove me out (I was still looking for a replacement rear driveshaft for my '87 Comanche. Got any 43" long Ujoint center to Ujoint center? ) Near as I can figure, XJ 2wds came with that exact size, but some ^%$%$#-at-* stole mine when my son did his GF's swap to 4x4! Shops won't cut down the old MJ shaft because it has the rubber insert. From: john Subject: xj: the Omega project My son and I swapped in the last spring tonight... the driver's side rear, the nut on the frame stayed where it was supposed to and we didn't have to drop the tank! Absolutely love working on a 17 year old Jeep that has NO RUST! Omega s running... I may drive it to work tomorrow... :) http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-05-after-glowplugs-Omega/ john project highlights: 1991 Grand Wagoneer - factory moonroof, pdl, pw, etc. - - - 6.2L Diesel - Novak mounts - - - 700R4 with Novak adapter to Jeep NP228 - - - new driveshafts and radiator - - - rebuilt injectors - - - 2" lift from BJs Offroad - - - Rancho 5000 shocks - - - dual tanks (bioDiesel and Diesel), may heat one eventually - - - factory brush guard with factory Marchall fog lamps and IPF driving lights - - - XJ center console - - - will have WJ seats Still need a GM a/c compressor and lines, and Tan heated leather WJ seats, also thinking of putting two smaller bucket seats in the back in place of the large rear bench to allow access to the rear without using the tailgate. :) ----- _________________________________________________________________ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653 A ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:30:16 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: xj: The Diesel Tree: Grow your own oil (fwd) If they would, it could be your pension sorted if you had a spare 10 acres somewhere ;-) Steve On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 10:04 PM, john wrote: > check this out. > > > http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/the_diesel_tree_grow_your_own_oil.php > > will these things grow in Washington???? :) > > john > > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/ > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Australian farmers in the wet tropical region of North Queensland have > bought over 20,000 of these so-called diesel trees. The intention is that in > 15 or so years they'll have their very own oil mine growing on their > farmland. > > Because, the Brazilian Copaifera langsdorfii, to use its botanical name, > can be tapped not unlike a rubber tree, but instead of yielding rubbery > latex it gives up a natural diesel. According to the nurseryman selling the > trees, one hectare will yield about 12,000 litres annually. * > > Once filtered-no complex refining required, apparently-it can be placed > straight into a diesel tractor or truck. We read that a single Copaifera > langsdorfii will continue to produce fuel oil for an impressive 70 years, > with the only negative being that its particular form of diesel needs to be > used within three months of extraction. > > Oddly this is not news. The Center for New Crops & Plant Products < > http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Copaifera_langsdorfii.html> > , at Purdue University reports that it was first reported to the western > world as far back as 1625. They observe reports from 1979 saying "Natives > ... drill a 5 centimeter hole into the 1-meter thick trunk and put a bung > into it. Every 6 months or so, they remove the bung and collect 15 to 20 > liters of the hydrocarbon." The UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation noted > in a paper at the > Eleventh world forestry congress back in 1997 on the topic of tree oil for > cars that "... the potential of other alternatives such as the Amazon > Copaifera langsdorfii need to be investigated." > > Copaifera langsdorfii can grow trunks 30 metres tall and store the oil in > their unusual capilliary structure. The above image is a transverse section > of the tree's cells. > > * I used to convert metric measurements in American imperial but when I > discovered that the only countries that have failed to embrace metric are > the USA, Liberia and Burma I stopped. However Purdue University record that > "An acre of 100 mature trees might thus be able to produce 25 barrels of > fuel per year." > > Via ABC and > Sydney Morning Herald < > http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Farmer-planning-diesel-tree-biofuel/2006/09/19/1158431695812.html > > > > > > > http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/the_diesel_tree_grow_your_own_oil.php ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2770 *************************