From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Fri May 2 01:09:17 2008 From: xj-digest xj-digest Friday, May 2 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2786 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: RE: fsj: balance xj: From spring update to Spring Update! (and some vehicles coming up for sale) xj: RE: fsj: balance xj: PRICE OF GAS AROUND THE WORLD xj: Re: PRICE OF GAS AROUND THE WORLD (fwd) xj: RE: fsj: Re: PRICE OF GAS AROUND THE WORLD (fwd) xj: Re: [db] Re: PRICE OF GAS AROUND THE WORLD (fwd) XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:11:58 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: RE: fsj: balance Considering I was getting barely better fuel economy than that with my '73 J4000 on gas, it doesn't seem like much of a step forwards? Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:33:09 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: > Subject: fsj: balance > > took my '91 Grand Wagoneer across the scales this morning to see > how well the weight was distributed with the aux tank and 6.2L Diesel... > > FRONT AXLE: 2,840 lbs > REAR AXLE: 2,740 lbs > > total weight: 5,600lbs > with driver, main tank full, rear aux tank 1/2 full, > the original springs sitting in the cargo area. The 6.2L Diesel only > weighs about 90lbs more than the stock AMC 360, one extra battery... > > It handles well, no body sway... we'll see if the softer ride will > maintain handling, suspect it will... it has sway bars and panhard bars > still intact. I'll accept not being able to put it into four wheel > drifts to get a better ride. :) > > So, I dropped the GW off at Aalbu Brothers in Everett. They're going > to rearch the original springs and add a leaf to hold it in place. > The 2" 5 leaf springs are on the Jeep so they have a baseline elevation > to work with. They'll do the install and swap... the 2" aftermarket > kit will be available immediately. It's not a bad kit, ride was tolerable, > but we're very fussy, spoiled and have bad backs. :) > > I will make this Diesel powered 4x4 a comfortable, reliable, economical and > utilitarian daily driver... it's already meeting most of the requirements > and getting closer with every step I take. :) Three tank average was about > 17 mpg. And I haven't switched it to amsoil synthetics yet. > > I suspect we may have to sell the '91 300D later this year to pay for > a wedding... I'm going to try to avoid selling it, really like it, and it's > reliable and economical... we'll see... > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself wherever you are. Mobilize! http://www.gowindowslive.com/Mobile/Landing/Messenger/Default.aspx?Locale=en- US?ocid=TAG_APRIL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 00:04:11 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: From spring update to Spring Update! (and some vehicles coming up for sale) The plans often change on the fly, but here's the latest (thanks to help from one son who's visiting off and on) How's that song go about 5 year plans and new deals, wrapped in golden chains? Looks like I'll have a string of Jeep trucks and AMCs that are all functional within the next couple months! Hope to have my '84 J10 done by the end of June (stroked and LPG'd) My '87 Comanche is just a shifter cable (column auto AW4) and a couple hours messing around to be finished finally. Got the driveshafts done and wiring harness swapped (bad weather and the missing cable is the only reason it's not yet rolling. I even got a '95 Grand Cherokee booster/master to up my braking power!) The original 2wd BA 10/5 is on the for sale pile for $50 along with the clutch (still looked fairly good after 200,000 miles of my abuse!) and flywheel. My original Jeep ('86 Comanche long box AMC 4 cyl with TBI and 5 speed I lifted 3 inches and converted to 4x4 in '02 for the Ouray Invasion) is almost back together. Used replacement motor is ready to go in (old one went past the 300,000 mile mark and is now in my son's buggy in Canada, still chugging along with a 1/2 blown headgasket) with new clutch and CPS, then it'll be cleaned up and for sale with a canopy. (probably $1,000 will take it) The 304 from my '73 J4000 (originally from my '77 AMX) is going into the '76 J10 shortbox (passively looking for a stepside box), probably by the end of the month, hopefully with an AW4, but more likely a 727/Dodge NP208 setup. (I have a week off to get ready for the swap meet in Monroe if I can make it with the '70 IH 5 ton I have loaded to the gunnel's) '83 J10 longbox with 4.2L and AW4/NP208J will be rolling soon too. (J4000 rear axle/springs with 3.73 ratio and J20 front brakes are going in with the 33/12.50/16.5 tires) HO injection may be coming at a later date with Hydroboost. (I discovered the Ford/Lincoln setup was far cheaper and easier to find from ex-cop cars and Limos/Towncars) It was slated to replace my J4000, but I have the IH to do my serious hauling now. '82 Spirit will get EFI and a 2wd AW4 (already have it) after my '87 MJ is back on the road. Once we find a new owner for the wife's '01 Legacy (it wouldn't survive more trips to the cabin) the Spirit will be hers (I need to fix up new seats that can handle the dog too. I broke the backs on both originals!) '73 J4000 is headed to the scrap metal roundup (cab is squished, box is "functional" but rusted. Frame is still good. Seats may go to the new rig) TH400 and QT with O/D and part time kit is likely going to Brian's '68 IH Travelall along with his 327 Nash (I still have all the adapter pieces to make it work) He'd rather have the 4 speed in the IH bolted to the 327, but I don't know if there is a bell that will work with the trans? (T86A I think? First and reverse aren't synchro) Front springs and axle aren't spoken for yet (D44 closed knuckle with fairly recent new drum brakes with 5 on 5.5" pattern. They may end up on the '51 Willys CJ P/U that I have to go pay for next week) '51 Willys CJ P/U. No set plans yet. Probably just for bombing around the roads and trails by my cabin. May get a 2.5L AMC and 5 speed. (probably on LPG) '77 F350 12' flatbed on duallies. Currently for sale for $500* (*Some assembly required. 400 motor under the hood isn't attached. I was just going to do the basics for wiring with points to make it run) Tires are all decent looking tread. (make me think about a duallie Jtruck, but I have enough irons in the fire and I don't need to get burned! ) '70 IH 5 ton with 18 foot tilt bed and a portable storage shed made from the stake sides. I need to fix the brakes (out of fluid for some reason) and clean the fuel tank plus some "minor" bodywork (new cab) It'll haul the majority of the materials I need to build a house at my cabin (selling off my excess toys will help finance it) The cabin: Wow. I need for one or two of my other sons to come visit and do the interior up the way we had planned to last summer. (got almost all the materials, but they couldn't get down here) Then work on building a house in the hill that the cabin sits on. (got to work on the refinance first) The garage: I need to use the IH to haul a rolled sheet of steel (roofing thickness. 18 gauge?) -at-14 feet by 24 feet to cover my car canopy and make it water tight as well as insulated so that next winter I can work INSIDE whenever I dang well want to and not be influenced by the weather and temps! _________________________________________________________________ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ realtime_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 00:18:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: RE: fsj: balance considering I've never had a wagoneer that got better than 13 mpg it is a huge step forward... :) even my I-6 J10 was averaging about 13, with a few moments of glory above that. considering my driving style, 17 mpg over three tanks in an FSJ is a major crowing achievement. given the fact that you've gotten better mileage in an FSJ means that you'd probably get 25 mpg out of my rig. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # Considering I was getting barely better fuel economy than that with my '73 J4000 on gas, it doesn't seem like much of a step forwards? # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:33:09 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: # > Subject: fsj: balance # > # > took my '91 Grand Wagoneer across the scales this morning to see # > how well the weight was distributed with the aux tank and 6.2L Diesel... # > # > FRONT AXLE: 2,840 lbs # > REAR AXLE: 2,740 lbs # > # > total weight: 5,600lbs # > with driver, main tank full, rear aux tank 1/2 full, # > the original springs sitting in the cargo area. The 6.2L Diesel only # > weighs about 90lbs more than the stock AMC 360, one extra battery... # > # > It handles well, no body sway... we'll see if the softer ride will # > maintain handling, suspect it will... it has sway bars and panhard bars # > still intact. I'll accept not being able to put it into four wheel # > drifts to get a better ride. :) # > # > So, I dropped the GW off at Aalbu Brothers in Everett. They're going # > to rearch the original springs and add a leaf to hold it in place. # > The 2" 5 leaf springs are on the Jeep so they have a baseline elevation # > to work with. They'll do the install and swap... the 2" aftermarket # > kit will be available immediately. It's not a bad kit, ride was tolerable, # > but we're very fussy, spoiled and have bad backs. :) # > # > I will make this Diesel powered 4x4 a comfortable, reliable, economical and # > utilitarian daily driver... it's already meeting most of the requirements # > and getting closer with every step I take. :) Three tank average was about # > 17 mpg. And I haven't switched it to amsoil synthetics yet. # > # > I suspect we may have to sell the '91 300D later this year to pay for # > a wedding... I'm going to try to avoid selling it, really like it, and it's # > reliable and economical... we'll see... # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # _________________________________________________________________ # Express yourself wherever you are. Mobilize! # http://www.gowindowslive.com/Mobile/Landing/Messenger/Default.aspx?Locale=en-US?ocid=TAG_APRIL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:30:28 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: PRICE OF GAS AROUND THE WORLD got this from a friend: PRICE OF GAS AROUND THE WORLD Prices are quoted in US dollars per gallon for regular unleaded. Oslo , Norway $6.82 Hong Kong $6.25 Brussels , Belgium $6.16 London , UK $5.96 Rome , Italy $5.80 Tokyo , Japan $5.25 Sao Paulo , Brazil $4.42 New Delhi , India $3.71 Sidney , Australia $3.42 Johannesburg , South Africa $3.39 Mexico City $2.22 Buenos Aires , Argentina $2.09 Riyadh , Saudi Arabia $0.91 Kuwait $0.78 Caracas , Venezuela $0.12 ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: Re: PRICE OF GAS AROUND THE WORLD (fwd) correction from down under... must be old prices... probably two, maybe three weeks old. ;) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Australia's price is wrong mate $5.97 per US gallon, $7.42 for high octane premium unleaded. :) got this from a friend: PRICE OF GAS AROUND THE WORLD Prices are quoted in US dollars per gallon for regular unleaded. Oslo , Norway $6.82 Hong Kong $6.25 Brussels , Belgium $6.16 London , UK $5.96 Rome , Italy $5.80 Tokyo , Japan $5.25 Sao Paulo , Brazil $4.42 New Delhi , India $3.71 Sidney , Australia $3.42 Johannesburg , South Africa $3.39 Mexico City $2.22 Buenos Aires , Argentina $2.09 Riyadh , Saudi Arabia $0.91 Kuwait $0.78 Caracas , Venezuela $0.12 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:28:38 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: RE: fsj: Re: PRICE OF GAS AROUND THE WORLD (fwd) more like DAYS! ;^) Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:07:59 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com > Subject: fsj: Re: PRICE OF GAS AROUND THE WORLD (fwd) > > correction from down under... > > must be old prices... probably two, maybe three weeks old. ;) > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > > Australia's price is wrong mate $5.97 per US gallon, $7.42 for > high octane premium unleaded. > > :) > > got this from a friend: > > PRICE OF GAS AROUND THE WORLD > Prices are quoted in US dollars per gallon for regular unleaded. > > Oslo , Norway $6.82 > Hong Kong $6.25 > Brussels , Belgium $6.16 > London , UK $5.96 > Rome , Italy $5.80 > Tokyo , Japan $5.25 > Sao Paulo , Brazil $4.42 > New Delhi , India $3.71 > Sidney , Australia $3.42 > Johannesburg , South Africa $3.39 > Mexico City $2.22 > Buenos Aires , Argentina $2.09 > Riyadh , Saudi Arabia $0.91 > Kuwait $0.78 > Caracas , Venezuela $0.12 _________________________________________________________________ Make i'm yours. Create a custom banner to support your cause. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Contribute/Default.aspx?source=TXT_TAGHM_MSN_ Make_IM_Yours ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:58:59 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: xj: Re: [db] Re: PRICE OF GAS AROUND THE WORLD (fwd) Ron has a point tho' ... "$5.97 per US gallon" ... now is that AUS dollars or US Dollars?? ;-) We're sort of in the middle of conversion here.. new cars are quoted in litres per 100kms rather than miles per gallon (imperial). Fuel at the pumps is in litres.. can't remember when we switched from Gallons.. LOL -at- " It makes the unwashed think they are spending less per unit." Steve On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:07 AM, john wrote: > correction from down under... > > must be old prices... probably two, maybe three weeks old. ;) > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > > Australia's price is wrong mate $5.97 per US gallon, $7.42 for > high octane premium unleaded. > > :) > > got this from a friend: > > PRICE OF GAS AROUND THE WORLD > Prices are quoted in US dollars per gallon for regular unleaded. > > Oslo , Norway $6.82 > Hong Kong $6.25 > Brussels , Belgium $6.16 > London , UK $5.96 > Rome , Italy $5.80 > Tokyo , Japan $5.25 > Sao Paulo , Brazil $4.42 > New Delhi , India $3.71 > Sidney , Australia $3.42 > Johannesburg , South Africa $3.39 > Mexico City $2.22 > Buenos Aires , Argentina $2.09 > Riyadh , Saudi Arabia $0.91 > Kuwait $0.78 > Caracas , Venezuela $0.12 ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2786 *************************