From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Jun 26 14:25:17 2008 From: xj-digest xj-digest Thursday, June 26 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2819 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Airbag kit RE: fsj: RE: xj: Fuel Pump question Re: xj: Airbag kit Re: xj: Airbag kit Re: fsj: RE: xj: Fuel Pump question xj: question XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:53:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: Airbag kit I've never used that particular kit, but I have used air support suspension systems before on other vehicles...Specifically, air shocks, but also air bag systems. What I found out, especially with airshocks is that they do more damage than they prevent. The most unusual damage was to the driver's seat! The stiffness of the suspension, put an undue amount of stress on the seat causing it to tear. I found this problem with airbag systems as well. I also found that air systems that use a common manifold, have a tendancy to roll. Meaning that if too much weight is put on one side of the vehicle, the air will migrate from the airbag with the greatest pressure and flow into the airbag with the lowest pressure causing the leaning of the vehicle to be more pronounced. This can cause a dangerous situation indeed if your load shifts while driving! Individually controlled valves are the only way to go and also why the price of some of the better systems are so high... The other problem I found is that the bags don't last very long...especially if you have an aftermarket exhaust...the larger pipes put the exhaust closer to the suspension pieces and the heat from the exhaust causes the bags to deteriorate quicker...If you can fashion some kind of heat sheild, this may prolong the life, but honestly, I don't think it will do much. Ed web/gadget guru - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Never mind that we just had an incredibly cold winter in North America and huge record snowfalls across the continent. As Al Gore said to a bunch of us the other day, these record cold spells and record snowfalls are actually caused by global warming. To which Jerry York replied, "Jeez then I guess we better stop this global warming before we all f**king freeze to death, eh?" - - "Fake" Steve Jobs 3/24/08 blog entry - --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Stephen Rigley wrote: From: Stephen Rigley Subject: xj: Airbag kit To: "xj-list" Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 6:16 AM Hi, Has anyone installed this kit? http://www.autoaccessconnect.com/jech19to20ai.html Am looking to help the rear springs a little to reduce sag + level side to side (oh.. and reduce "bounciness"). Looks like a better option than replacing the springs .. thoughts? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:15:07 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: RE: xj: Fuel Pump question I've never played with that stuff, but I know a lot of pilots that use it. Every now and then I'll add amsoil pi to my gas engines... P.i. Performance Improver Gasoline Additive Product Code: APICN-EA P.i. improves fuel mileage an average of 2.3% and up to 5.7%. Reduces emissions such as hydrocarbons (HC) up to 15%, carbon monoxide (CO) up to 26% and nitrous oxides (NOx) up to 17%. Restores power and performance. Reduces the need for costly higher octane fuel. (API) http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - click onto the corporate website and look at fuel additives... taking this path will get me the sale if you buy. ;) thanx! john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Ed Kummel wrote: # I remember years ago with an ageing '72 Cutlass 455ci motor, Marvel's Mystery Oil kept that old girl running far longer than it should have! Perhaps its time to begin adding it again to my vehicles! # Ed # web/gadget guru # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Never mind that we just had an incredibly cold winter in North America and huge record snowfalls across the continent. As Al Gore said to a bunch of us the other day, these record cold spells and record snowfalls are actually caused by global warming. To which Jerry York replied, "Jeez then I guess we better stop this global warming before we all f**king freeze to death, eh?" # # - "Fake" Steve Jobs 3/24/08 blog entry # # --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Jim Blair wrote: # # From: Jim Blair # Subject: RE: fsj: RE: xj: Fuel Pump question # To: "john" , xj-at-digest.net # Cc: "full size jeep list" # Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 12:02 PM # # W # some lube to the fuel seems to help. (be careful not to use anything with lead # in it like 2 stroke oil or you can kill the O2 sensor in injected AND Carter # BBD 6 cyl rigs) # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:57:02 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: xj-at-digest.net # > CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: RE: xj: Fuel Pump question # > # > the issue isn't lubricity, it's the fact that some o-rings # > and seals are attacked by either the alcholol or the methanol. # > if vitron seals are used they're fine... went through this # > with my benz... once the original seals / o-rings started # > leaking and were replaced all was fine... the flex fuel # > vehicles simply have compatible seals and o-rings... # > # > the other issue with ethanol is it tends to attract water # > which attracts rust which isn't something that makes pumps happy... # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Tesar Landon wrote: # > # > # There must be a solution for this, as Brazil is using ethanol # > # extensively... # > # # > # - L # > # # > # -----Original Message----- # > # From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jim # > # Blair # > # Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:46 AM # > # To: xj-at-digest.net # > # Subject: RE: xj: Fuel Pump question # > # # > # Alcohol is indeed destroying fuel pumps because of it's low # lubricity. # > # (mechanical as well as electrical pumps) # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Earn cashback on your purchases with Live Search - the search that pays # > # you # > # back! # > # # http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=earnca # > # shbac # > # k # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # The im Talkathon starts 6/24/08. For now, give amongst yourselves. # http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnMore_GiveAmongst # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:28:15 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Airbag kit Stephen, you'd be much, much better off with an add a leaf or "load leveler" spring. You can set these things up so they don't provide support until a load is on them, keeping the ride decent when unloaded... I've used these with success on a wide variety of leaf spring vehicles from Mustangs through Full Size Jeeps... http://www.jcwhitney.com/Jeep-Helper-Spring/600007367.jcw I've not had good luck at all with air bags, slip in rubber boosts, bolt in coil supports, springs over shocks, air shocks, etc. have tried them all... best solution is add-a-leafs or better springs. :) As Ed pointed out, having the two bags connected could be dangerous... the biggest issue with any of these inflatable systems is that they WILL leak, and leave you in a bad spot if you have a load... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Ed Kummel wrote: # I've never used that particular kit, but I have used air support suspension systems before on other vehicles...Specifically, air shocks, but also air bag systems. What I found out, especially with airshocks is that they do more damage than they prevent. The most unusual damage was to the driver's seat! The stiffness of the suspension, put an undue amount of stress on the seat causing it to tear. I found this problem with airbag systems as well. # I also found that air systems that use a common manifold, have a tendancy to roll. Meaning that if too much weight is put on one side of the vehicle, the air will migrate from the airbag with the greatest pressure and flow into the airbag with the lowest pressure causing the leaning of the vehicle to be more pronounced. This can cause a dangerous situation indeed if your load shifts while driving! # Individually controlled valves are the only way to go and also why the price of some of the better systems are so high... # The other problem I found is that the bags don't last very long...especially if you have an aftermarket exhaust...the larger pipes put the exhaust closer to the suspension pieces and the heat from the exhaust causes the bags to deteriorate quicker...If you can fashion some kind of heat sheild, this may prolong the life, but honestly, I don't think it will do much. # Ed # web/gadget guru # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Never mind that we just had an incredibly cold winter in North America and huge record snowfalls across the continent. As Al Gore said to a bunch of us the other day, these record cold spells and record snowfalls are actually caused by global warming. To which Jerry York replied, "Jeez then I guess we better stop this global warming before we all f**king freeze to death, eh?" # # - "Fake" Steve Jobs 3/24/08 blog entry # # --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Stephen Rigley wrote: # # From: Stephen Rigley # Subject: xj: Airbag kit # To: "xj-list" # Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 6:16 AM # # Hi, # # Has anyone installed this kit? # http://www.autoaccessconnect.com/jech19to20ai.html # Am looking to help the rear springs a little to reduce sag + level side to # side (oh.. and reduce "bounciness"). # # Looks like a better option than replacing the springs .. thoughts? # # Steve # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:04:29 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: xj: Airbag kit Thanks folks! Thats exactly the type of info I was after! Regards, Stephen On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 6:28 PM, john wrote: > Stephen, > > you'd be much, much better off with an add a leaf or "load leveler" spring. > > You can set these things up so they don't provide support until a load > is on them, keeping the ride decent when unloaded... > > I've used these with success on a wide variety of leaf spring vehicles > from Mustangs through Full Size Jeeps... > > http://www.jcwhitney.com/Jeep-Helper-Spring/600007367.jcw > > I've not had good luck at all with air bags, slip in rubber boosts, > bolt in coil supports, springs over shocks, air shocks, etc. > have tried them all... best solution is add-a-leafs or better springs. :) > > As Ed pointed out, having the two bags connected could be dangerous... > the biggest issue with any of these inflatable systems is that they WILL > leak, and leave you in a bad spot if you have a load... > > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Ed Kummel wrote: > > # I've never used that particular kit, but I have used air support > suspension systems before on other vehicles...Specifically, air shocks, but > also air bag systems. What I found out, especially with airshocks is that > they do more damage than they prevent. The most unusual damage was to the > driver's seat! The stiffness of the suspension, put an undue amount of > stress on the seat causing it to tear. I found this problem with airbag > systems as well. > # I also found that air systems that use a common manifold, have a > tendancy to roll. Meaning that if too much weight is put on one side of the > vehicle, the air will migrate from the airbag with the greatest pressure and > flow into the airbag with the lowest pressure causing the leaning of the > vehicle to be more pronounced. This can cause a dangerous situation indeed > if your load shifts while driving! > # Individually controlled valves are the only way to go and also why the > price of some of the better systems are so high... > # The other problem I found is that the bags don't last very > long...especially if you have an aftermarket exhaust...the larger pipes put > the exhaust closer to the suspension pieces and the heat from the exhaust > causes the bags to deteriorate quicker...If you can fashion some kind of > heat sheild, this may prolong the life, but honestly, I don't think it will > do much. > # Ed > # web/gadget guru > # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # Never mind that we just had an incredibly cold winter in North America > and huge record snowfalls across the continent. As Al Gore said to a bunch > of us the other day, these record cold spells and record snowfalls are > actually caused by global warming. To which Jerry York replied, "Jeez > then I guess we better stop this global warming before we all f**king freeze > to death, eh?" > # > # - "Fake" Steve Jobs 3/24/08 blog entry > # > # --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Stephen Rigley wrote: > # > # From: Stephen Rigley > # Subject: xj: Airbag kit > # To: "xj-list" > # Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 6:16 AM > # > # Hi, > # > # Has anyone installed this kit? > # http://www.autoaccessconnect.com/jech19to20ai.html > # Am looking to help the rear springs a little to reduce sag + level side > to > # side (oh.. and reduce "bounciness"). > # > # Looks like a better option than replacing the springs .. thoughts? > # > # Steve > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:16:38 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: RE: xj: Fuel Pump question get one of the engines from europe... ;) stephen keeps sending us links to wrecking yards in the UK. for an XJ I'm still pondering the possibility of using a 2.5L TD out of a 124 series... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Kevin wrote: # A diesel XJ requires either serious surgery or putting up with a renault # engine that is hard to get parts for and can't tow its own shadow across the # street. # # On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 04:06:35PM -0700, john wrote: # > most likely the moisture content or the alcohol content... # > I would think that the chemicals in Sta-Bil would be impacted # > by both... don't know about Sea Foam... # > # > recommend getting a Diesel. ;) # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:24:30 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: question been playing around with VirtualBox on SuSE Linux and am thinking about getting a larger harddrive for my laptop... it's a Panasonic CF-W5 toughbook, uses an IDE/PATA 2.5. Have a 160GB Samsung now... can only find Western Digital Scorpio 250GB PATA 2.5" - was thinking about getting it, but started searching on line and found that a few folks had it die within a month or so, and one outfit doesn't carry them any more... - ----------------------------------------------------------- so, my QUESTION is: Is Western Digital a product to be avoided? Has anyone used this 2.5" PATA 250GB drive? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136159 - ----------------------------------------------------------- fwiw, this is really cool virtualization s/w: http://virtualbox.org/ Setting up my laptop to boot into SuSE Linux, then launch XP in a virtual machine for those few things I can't do yet in Linux because of proprietary s/w. :) Heading downstate tomorrow to pick up a used Bantam T3-C trailer... http://wagoneers.com/tmp/t3/all.html - will take the WJ because the a/c isn't working yet in the GW... and no hitch on the 300D. thanx, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2819 *************************