From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Jul 22 15:36:35 2008 From: xj-digest xj-digest Tuesday, July 22 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2837 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: RE: fsj: car pictures... snohomish klahaya days RE: xj: RE: Name That Vacuum Line xj: RE: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... xj: RE: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... xj: wiring connections for XJ cruise control servo xj: Monday evening entertainment... XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:44:52 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: RE: fsj: car pictures... snohomish klahaya days Next weekend is the Gold Bar days Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:48:10 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: > Subject: fsj: car pictures... snohomish klahaya days > > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-20-snohomish-klahaya-days/ALL.html > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:49:09 -0400 From: "Daugherty, Bill W (E F PR GN)" Subject: RE: xj: RE: Name That Vacuum Line Well, I have spent most of this Jeep's life in Florida..... Get's kinda hot here.... Where are you located...??? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of JeepNut Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:06 AM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: RE: Name That Vacuum Line Isn't it weird how folks have entirely different experiences with things that should be engineered to death resulting in nearly same performance results given similar circumstances? Bought my '92 brand new, now at 263Kmiles, should turn 264 next week, and I've never had any trouble at all with that heater valve. weird.... Daugherty, Bill W (E F PR GN) wrote: > ....I bought my 1993 brand spankin new and I have been through 4 > valves before I just put pieces of pipe in its place. That piece of > $#*& is made of plastic and it does not take the heat very well.... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of > Colucci B > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:26 PM > To: XJ GROUP; john > Subject: xj: Name That Vacuum Line > > Greetings to The XJ World! > > Well I am betting from the descriptions that I have received, that this > vacuum line does go to the heater coolant control valve. Now if I only > had one to connect the line to. I could not figure out where the line > might go since there was nothing that was missing a line, because there > is no heater coolant control valve. Where it is supposed to live is > tucked under the other heater line and one of the AC lines is close by; > but after careful inspection it can be seen where the valve is supposed > to go. It seems that the DSPO actually must have experienced a failure > of this valve; so rather then replace it, they slipped a coupler in the > heater hose where the valve used to live. AAARRRGGG! > > > Until the next dimension, > The Admiral ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:08:54 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: RE: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Before you get carried away, there are laws, and regulations you may wish to peruse. (Use other's loss to keep from making the same mistakes!) http://www.transferflow.com/fuel_tank_regulations.html http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext .asp?section=393.67 http://www.biofuelsforum.com/svo_users/543-fuel_tank_regulations.html Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:42:35 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: dan-at-black.org > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... > > after I swap the xfr case that failed over > the weekend, I'll start assembling the ABS > pipe into a tank holding about 5 gals and > strap it under the bumper to the brush > guard. I guess I could carry a small > bag of kitty litter in case it leaks. :) > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Dan Black wrote: > > # {- # On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: > # {- # # I agree that it's not a significant fire or explosion hazard, but it > # {- # # could provide a challenge for rescue personnel, a nasty mess for any > # {- # # tow truck driver reaching under the front to hook something up, or > # {- # # even a serious impediment to traction if it sprang a leak. > # > # This would still be my biggest concern if you use the PVC. You're > # talking about eliminating any structural protection (from a normal > # bumper) and replacing it with something that will leave a big mess if > # the bumper is used for, well, a bumper. > # > # Heck, backing up and tagging something -- fencepost, corner of the > # house, a big rock -- would probably immediately result in a big mess. > # > # And, of course, it won't protect your vehicle at all. (Don't bother > # pointing out that modern vehicle bumpers also don't actually do > # anything; that doesn't make it right. ;) ) > # > # I'd still be concerned with a potential mess with a metal bumper like > # that, but if it were thick enough, it wouldn't be nearly as bad as the > # PVC. > # > # I definitely wouldn't ask the vehicle registration people if they think > # it's ok. I can't imagine DOT people would pass that for any kind of > # safety inspection. > # > # If you're going to build something out of PVC anyway, why not figure out > # a way to just build a custom tank to sit in the back of the truck? I'd > # bet you could make it out of Plexiglas or something. You could make it > # the size and shape you wanted. You could design it to prevent sliding > # around in the back, be big enough to hold what you want and/or small > # enough to be manageable, make it easily removable, put the custom drain > # in the top (you could do a simple sloped top with a rim so you could > # pour stuff in the top and it would drain down... or just do a hinged and > # latched top and pour it straight in), maybe a spigot near the bottom or > # something, maybe put in baffles to keep it from sloshing... All sorts > # of options if you're going to build something anyway, and you'd > # hopefully end up with something better for collecting veggie oil _and_ > # leave the truck safer as far as the bumper is concerned. > # > # Or buy some cool jerry cans -- either keep them inside (won't spill like > # a bucket) or do a mount on the outside, retro-Jeep style. > # http://www.roof-rack-supplies.co.uk/accessories/jerry-can.htm > # (That's just the first quick link I found; look around for something in > # the U.S., obviously.) > # > # - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- > # There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what > # the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be > # replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. > # There is another theory which states that this has already happened. > # -- Douglas Adams > # -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org - -------------- > # _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: RE: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... JimB, did you read those regs? They simply do NOT apply in this situation... e.g.: 1) Diesel systems are permitted to use gravity feed... 2) end user mods are permitted under these sections 3) total gvw is less than 10k... 4) non-commercial use etc. QUOTE from Part 393: section 393.67 Liquid fuel tanks. (a) Application of the rules in this section. The rules in this section apply to tanks containing or supplying fuel for the operation of commercial motor vehicles or for the operation of auxiliary equipment installed on, or used in connection with commercial motor vehicles. ...even your informal, unofficial, user-based subjective, ill-informed internet forum of users from Australia didn't have regs pertaining to this: QUOTE: "They have three Vehicle Standards Information (VSI) sheets that I thought might help, namely 8, 20 and 22 but they were not relevant to diesel fuel tanks." ...none of these US (or international) regs apply to WASTE VEGETABLE OIL! just think Wesson or Crisco purchased at the store... :) If I were to begin making and selling these things it would be easy to obtain certification based on the requirements cited... If it were stinking gasoline, well, common sense would require EXTREME careful handling and following the safety standards, for excellent reasons... that stuff not only smells horrible, it's quite dangerous... IT SHOULD BE OUTLAWED as wasteful, polluting, inefficient and outdated... gasoline stinks. The plastic in the FSJ grille offers as much, or perhaps MORE danger in the event of an accident/fire than does the veggie oil, or even Diesel fuel. Burning plastic is toxic... burning veggie oil smells great... ;) Diesel, oil and vegetable oils are not spark ignitable, have not the issues of volatility or vapors and are not easy to ignite... of course when they do ignite they burn slower and hotter than gas or propane... more energy content... just as hard to extinguish... The biggest hazard of having waste veggie oil in a container like this is making a mess... that and it's going to be less than 5 gallons anyway... Jim, you need to get over your fear of compression ignition, real engines rattle, real engines don't have spark plugs... :) Ditch those spark plugs and get a real engine buddy... Diesel fuel rules, gasoline is for fools... :) The current plan involves a 5' section of black ABS sewer pipe, it's thick walled and has a number of standard fittings/couplings available, and it will permit direct taping of fittings for the fuel lines. I'm giving some thought to making a small frame mounted bracket to hold it, it'll extend forward of the brush guard and may offer a winch mount or at least tow hook straps... it'll also be more substantial than the current aluminum bumpers... we'll see... first I have to get the jeep moving under it's own power again... getting off my soap box... :) Jim, if you have any of the nuts that go on an NP xfr case I could use one... missing one on the top and my NP219 doesn't have any on it... you can also check out the Novak adapter setup... I have the NP219 sitting behind the jeep... will pull the nP228 tonight... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # # Before you get carried away, there are laws, and regulations you may wish to peruse. (Use other's loss to keep from making the same mistakes!) # # http://www.transferflow.com/fuel_tank_regulations.html # http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.asp?section=393.67 # http://www.biofuelsforum.com/svo_users/543-fuel_tank_regulations.html # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:42:35 -0700 # > Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... # > after I swap the xfr case that failed over # > the weekend, I'll start assembling the ABS # > pipe into a tank holding about 5 gals and # > strap it under the bumper to the brush # > guard. I guess I could carry a small # > bag of kitty litter in case it leaks. :) # > john # > # > ----- # > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Dan Black wrote: # > # > # {- # On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # > # {- # # I agree that it's not a significant fire or explosion hazard, but it # > # {- # # could provide a challenge for rescue personnel, a nasty mess for any # > # {- # # tow truck driver reaching under the front to hook something up, or # > # {- # # even a serious impediment to traction if it sprang a leak. # > # # > # This would still be my biggest concern if you use the PVC. You're # > # talking about eliminating any structural protection (from a normal # > # bumper) and replacing it with something that will leave a big mess if # > # the bumper is used for, well, a bumper. # > # # > # Heck, backing up and tagging something -- fencepost, corner of the # > # house, a big rock -- would probably immediately result in a big mess. # > # # > # And, of course, it won't protect your vehicle at all. (Don't bother # > # pointing out that modern vehicle bumpers also don't actually do # > # anything; that doesn't make it right. ;) ) # > # # > # I'd still be concerned with a potential mess with a metal bumper like # > # that, but if it were thick enough, it wouldn't be nearly as bad as the # > # PVC. # > # # > # I definitely wouldn't ask the vehicle registration people if they think # > # it's ok. I can't imagine DOT people would pass that for any kind of # > # safety inspection. # > # # > # If you're going to build something out of PVC anyway, why not figure out # > # a way to just build a custom tank to sit in the back of the truck? I'd # > # bet you could make it out of Plexiglas or something. You could make it # > # the size and shape you wanted. You could design it to prevent sliding # > # around in the back, be big enough to hold what you want and/or small # > # enough to be manageable, make it easily removable, put the custom drain # > # in the top (you could do a simple sloped top with a rim so you could # > # pour stuff in the top and it would drain down... or just do a hinged and # > # latched top and pour it straight in), maybe a spigot near the bottom or # > # something, maybe put in baffles to keep it from sloshing... All sorts # > # of options if you're going to build something anyway, and you'd # > # hopefully end up with something better for collecting veggie oil _and_ # > # leave the truck safer as far as the bumper is concerned. # > # # > # Or buy some cool jerry cans -- either keep them inside (won't spill like # > # a bucket) or do a mount on the outside, retro-Jeep style. # > # http://www.roof-rack-supplies.co.uk/accessories/jerry-can.htm # > # (That's just the first quick link I found; look around for something in # > # the U.S., obviously.) # > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:24:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: wiring connections for XJ cruise control servo trying to figure out the pin out on a Cruise Control servo module... have one, not sure if it's from a '91 or '96... I'm thinking '96... I'm hoping Jim Blair will remember. ;) Anyway, I can't find the connector for it either... trying to adapt the cruise control from my '91 Grand Wagoneer to the XJ servo, since it appears to be in good working order and the one from the 6.2 and the original 360 were not... thanx, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: Monday evening entertainment... ...or, the NP228 to NP219 transfer case swap: almost done, need to slide xfr case onto shaft, bolt in place, reconnect driveshafts and life should return to normal... (transfer case gave up the ghost on I-5 Saturday heading to Mt. Vernon, was able to make it home, the last two miles in low range... :) http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/TECH-INFO/NP228-NP219-swap-21-22July2008/ http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/TECH-INFO/NP228-NP219-swap-21-22July2008/ALL.html for comic relief: http://www.comics.com/creators/wizardofid/archive/images/wizardofid2052400080722.gif john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2837 *************************