From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Sep 12 09:50:22 2008 From: xj-digest xj-digest Friday, September 12 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2868 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: Rear shock bolts. xj: Re: Rear shock bolts. Re: xj: Re: Rear shock bolts. Re: xj: Re: Stuck bearing... Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. Re: xj: Re: Stuck bearing... Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:52:22 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: xj: Rear shock bolts. Hi, I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last few weeks at home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might put them in (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock bolts are almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its pretty clean up there, no rust. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:25:11 -0400 From: "Don Hansen" Subject: xj: Re: Rear shock bolts. I've snapped half of the ones I've done. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Rigley" To: "xj-list" Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 8:52 AM Subject: xj: Rear shock bolts. > Hi, > I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last few weeks > at > home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might put them in > (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). > So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock bolts are > almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its pretty clean up > there, no rust. > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:26:57 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: xj: Re: Rear shock bolts. Ah.. Did you drill them and retap/crack off the bolts or cut the floor? Steve On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Don Hansen wrote: > I've snapped half of the ones I've done. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Rigley" > To: "xj-list" > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 8:52 AM > Subject: xj: Rear shock bolts. > > > Hi, >> I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last few weeks >> at >> home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might put them in >> (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). >> So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock bolts are >> almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its pretty clean up >> there, no rust. >> >> Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:37:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: Stuck bearing... if you set that bearing race correctly, no, it should have been seated... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # Just to follow up... I checked the rear wheels last night, could feel lots # more play in the driver's side bearing that the new rear passenger side # bearing, so I've ordered another bearing to change it out. At least I now # know how to remove/replace it Should take about an hour all going well. # # Does it take time for a bearing to "seat"/"bed in"? # # Steve # # On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Stephen Rigley wrote: # # > Had a handy bit of aluminium pipe knocking about, then a buddy called over # > so I had him hit one end while I held the other up to the bearing and then # > the seal.. all in now. Just RTV'ing of the diff cover + pumping in of new # > oil to go.. # > Thanks for all the help! # > Steve # > # > # > # > # > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Jim Blair wrote: # > # >> I was about to say you were on the right track. I stuff a wet rag into the # >> housing just past the race so any bits that fly off from the dremel don't # >> make # >> it to the gear oil in the diff. There is a ring on the axle holding the # >> bearing that can be busted off the same way as removing the race. I've # >> also # >> used a chisel to shatter them (trail fix) then once the bearing is off, # >> inspect the area where the seal rides (make sure no nicks!) An old school # >> way # >> of protecting the shaft while chiseling is to use electricians tape # >> temporarily in case you slip. The bearing locking ring is supposed to be # >> pressed on, but I have used a piece of pipe like a slide hammer to get it # >> on # >> (tape has to be removed first so you can get the ring on of course! I'd # >> probably tape it again to protect it while hammering the ring down) # >> Nowadays I have a cheapo Harbor Freight press in my garage for doing # >> that # >> and Ujoints too (I still do most of those with a hammer and socket though) # >> # >> # >> From: "Stephen Rigley" # >> Subject: Re: xj: Re: Stuck bearing... # >> # >> Got it out this morning.. I attacked it with my dremel and it was out in 5 # >> mins, nice one! # >> # >> Now comes the fun of putting the new one in.. I assume it just involves # >> lots # >> of pounding/whackery? # >> Cheers # >> Steve # >> # >> _________________________________________________________________ # >> Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows # >> Live. # >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:39:07 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. shocks should be easy... never had any break off.... especially without rust... did you see the pictures of the OME install? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # Hi, # I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last few weeks at # home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might put them in # (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). # So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock bolts are # almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its pretty clean up # there, no rust. # # Steve # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:50:40 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: xj: Re: Stuck bearing... Thanks John, thats fine, I'll swop the other out. Steve On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:37 PM, john wrote: > if you set that bearing race correctly, no, it should have been seated... > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > # Just to follow up... I checked the rear wheels last night, could feel > lots > # more play in the driver's side bearing that the new rear passenger side > # bearing, so I've ordered another bearing to change it out. At least I > now > # know how to remove/replace it Should take about an hour all going well. > # > # Does it take time for a bearing to "seat"/"bed in"? > # > # Steve > # > # On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Stephen Rigley > wrote: > # > # > Had a handy bit of aluminium pipe knocking about, then a buddy called > over > # > so I had him hit one end while I held the other up to the bearing and > then > # > the seal.. all in now. Just RTV'ing of the diff cover + pumping in of > new > # > oil to go.. > # > Thanks for all the help! > # > Steve > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Jim Blair > wrote: > # > > # >> I was about to say you were on the right track. I stuff a wet rag > into the > # >> housing just past the race so any bits that fly off from the dremel > don't > # >> make > # >> it to the gear oil in the diff. There is a ring on the axle holding > the > # >> bearing that can be busted off the same way as removing the race. > I've > # >> also > # >> used a chisel to shatter them (trail fix) then once the bearing is > off, > # >> inspect the area where the seal rides (make sure no nicks!) An old > school > # >> way > # >> of protecting the shaft while chiseling is to use electricians tape > # >> temporarily in case you slip. The bearing locking ring is supposed to > be > # >> pressed on, but I have used a piece of pipe like a slide hammer to > get it > # >> on > # >> (tape has to be removed first so you can get the ring on of course! > I'd > # >> probably tape it again to protect it while hammering the ring down) > # >> Nowadays I have a cheapo Harbor Freight press in my garage for > doing > # >> that > # >> and Ujoints too (I still do most of those with a hammer and socket > though) > # >> > # >> > # >> From: "Stephen Rigley" > # >> Subject: Re: xj: Re: Stuck bearing... > # >> > # >> Got it out this morning.. I attacked it with my dremel and it was out > in 5 > # >> mins, nice one! > # >> > # >> Now comes the fun of putting the new one in.. I assume it just > involves > # >> lots > # >> of pounding/whackery? > # >> Cheers > # >> Steve > # >> > # >> _________________________________________________________________ > # >> Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with > Windows > # >> Live. > # >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:54:27 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. Think I did, can't find the link now.. do you have it handy? Thanks Steve On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:39 PM, john wrote: > shocks should be easy... never had any break off.... especially > without rust... did you see the pictures of the OME install? > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > # Hi, > # I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last few weeks > at > # home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might put them > in > # (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). > # So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock bolts are > # almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its pretty clean > up > # there, no rust. > # > # Steve > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:18:42 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. http://wagoneers.com/XJ/tech/OldManEmu/ome-lw.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # Think I did, can't find the link now.. do you have it handy? # Thanks # Steve # # On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:39 PM, john wrote: # # > shocks should be easy... never had any break off.... especially # > without rust... did you see the pictures of the OME install? # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # > # > # Hi, # > # I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last few weeks # > at # > # home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might put them # > in # > # (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). # > # So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock bolts are # > # almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its pretty clean # > up # > # there, no rust. # > # # > # Steve # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:22:38 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. Thanks for that John, looks like it'll have to wait now though.. its only running on 3 cylinders since about 5 minutes ago :-( I reckon either its lost compression in the cylinder or one of the push rods has popped out of its rocker again.. * sigh * On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:18 PM, john wrote: > http://wagoneers.com/XJ/tech/OldManEmu/ome-lw.html > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > # Think I did, can't find the link now.. do you have it handy? > # Thanks > # Steve > # > # On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:39 PM, john wrote: > # > # > shocks should be easy... never had any break off.... especially > # > without rust... did you see the pictures of the OME install? > # > > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: > http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > # > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # > > # > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: > # > > # > # Hi, > # > # I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last few > weeks > # > at > # > # home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might put > them > # > in > # > # (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). > # > # So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock > bolts are > # > # almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its pretty > clean > # > up > # > # there, no rust. > # > # > # > # Steve > # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:30:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. Happened on my 89 Wagoneer LTD... Took the Jeep to a local garage owned by some "good 'ol boys" who only work on "mer-i-kan" cars and they drilled and tapped the broken bolt. What a pain! Ed web/gadget guru - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Never mind that we just had an incredibly cold winter in North America and huge record snowfalls across the continent. As Al Gore said to a bunch of us the other day, these record cold spells and record snowfalls are actually caused by global warming. To which Jerry York replied, 'Jeez then I guess we better stop this global warming before we all f**king freeze to death, eh?' - - 'Fake' Steve Jobs 3/24/08 blog entry - --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Stephen Rigley wrote: From: Stephen Rigley Subject: xj: Rear shock bolts. To: "xj-list" Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 8:52 AM Hi, I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last few weeks at home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might put them in (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock bolts are almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its pretty clean up there, no rust. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:49:33 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. this is the VM motor? ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # Thanks for that John, looks like it'll have to wait now though.. its only # running on 3 cylinders since about 5 minutes ago :-( I reckon either its # lost compression in the cylinder or one of the push rods has popped out of # its rocker again.. * sigh * # # On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:18 PM, john wrote: # # > http://wagoneers.com/XJ/tech/OldManEmu/ome-lw.html # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # > # > # Think I did, can't find the link now.. do you have it handy? # > # Thanks # > # Steve # > # # > # On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:39 PM, john wrote: # > # # > # > shocks should be easy... never had any break off.... especially # > # > without rust... did you see the pictures of the OME install? # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: # > http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > # > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > # > # > # > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # > # > # > # > # Hi, # > # > # I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last few # > weeks # > # > at # > # > # home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might put # > them # > # > in # > # > # (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). # > # > # So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock # > bolts are # > # > # almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its pretty # > clean # > # > up # > # > # there, no rust. # > # > # # > # > # Steve # > # > # # > # # ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2868 *************************