From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Sep 12 12:21:58 2008 From: xj-digest xj-digest Friday, September 12 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2869 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. RE: xj: Rear shock bolts. RE: xj: Rear shock bolts. RE: xj: Rear shock bolts. Re: xj: Re: Rear shock bolts. Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:51:34 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. I wonder if it's a rust-belt issue... I've had what, 8 xj's? never had one break, maybe done shocks on about 1/2 of 'em.... soak those bolts in Amsoil MP, liquid wrench or that smelly stuff that jim blair likes... what's it called??? have a can or two of it in my shop... blastoff? pb blaster? something like that, smells really bad, but works well. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Ed Kummel wrote: # Happened on my 89 Wagoneer LTD... # Took the Jeep to a local garage owned by some "good 'ol boys" who only work on "mer-i-kan" cars and they drilled and tapped the broken bolt. What a pain! # Ed # web/gadget guru # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Never mind that we just had an incredibly cold winter in North America and huge record snowfalls across the continent. As Al Gore said to a bunch of us the other day, these record cold spells and record snowfalls are actually caused by global warming. To which Jerry York replied, 'Jeez then I guess we better stop this global warming before we all f**king freeze to death, eh?' # # - 'Fake' Steve Jobs 3/24/08 blog entry # # --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Stephen Rigley wrote: # # From: Stephen Rigley # Subject: xj: Rear shock bolts. # To: "xj-list" # Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 8:52 AM # # Hi, # I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last few weeks at # home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might put them in # (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). # So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock bolts are # almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its pretty clean up # there, no rust. # # Steve # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:43:40 -0400 From: "Daugherty, Bill W (E F PR GN)" Subject: RE: xj: Rear shock bolts. PB BLASTER is the best penetrating oil ever made !!!!!!!!!!!! (even if it smells.....) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 12:52 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. I wonder if it's a rust-belt issue... I've had what, 8 xj's? never had one break, maybe done shocks on about 1/2 of 'em.... soak those bolts in Amsoil MP, liquid wrench or that smelly stuff that jim blair likes... what's it called??? have a can or two of it in my shop... blastoff? pb blaster? something like that, smells really bad, but works well. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Ed Kummel wrote: # Happened on my 89 Wagoneer LTD... # Took the Jeep to a local garage owned by some "good 'ol boys" who only work on "mer-i-kan" cars and they drilled and tapped the broken bolt. What a pain! # Ed # web/gadget guru # # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Never mind that we just had an incredibly cold winter in North America and huge record snowfalls across the continent. As Al Gore said to a bunch of us the other day, these record cold spells and record snowfalls are actually caused by global warming. To which Jerry York replied, 'Jeez then I guess we better stop this global warming before we all f**king freeze to death, eh?' # # - 'Fake' Steve Jobs 3/24/08 blog entry # # --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Stephen Rigley wrote: # # From: Stephen Rigley # Subject: xj: Rear shock bolts. # To: "xj-list" # Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 8:52 AM # # Hi, # I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last few weeks at # home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might put them in # (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). # So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock bolts are # almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its pretty clean up # there, no rust. # # Steve # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: xj: Rear shock bolts. I have to agree, pb blaster is amazing... other penetrants: amsoil mp brake fluid liquid wrench wd40 and of course heating with a propane torch works... but be careful... all of the above burn nicely, along with the object that the rusted bolt or nut is attached to. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Daugherty, Bill W (E F PR GN) wrote: # PB BLASTER is the best penetrating oil ever made !!!!!!!!!!!! # # (even if it smells.....) # # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 12:52 PM # To: xj-at-digest.net # Subject: Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. # # I wonder if it's a rust-belt issue... # # I've had what, 8 xj's? never had one break, maybe done # shocks on about 1/2 of 'em.... # # soak those bolts in Amsoil MP, liquid wrench or that smelly stuff that # jim blair likes... what's it called??? have a can or two of it in # my shop... blastoff? pb blaster? something like that, smells really # bad, but works well. :) # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # - # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # - # # # On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Ed Kummel wrote: # # # Happened on my 89 Wagoneer LTD... # # Took the Jeep to a local garage owned by some "good 'ol boys" who # only work on "mer-i-kan" cars and they drilled and tapped the broken # bolt. What a pain! # # Ed # # web/gadget guru # # # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Never mind that we just had an incredibly cold winter in North # America and huge record snowfalls across the continent. As Al Gore said # to a bunch of us the other day, these record cold spells and record # snowfalls are actually caused by global warming. To which Jerry York # replied, 'Jeez then I guess we better stop this global warming before we # all f**king freeze to death, eh?' # # # # - 'Fake' Steve Jobs 3/24/08 blog entry # # # # --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Stephen Rigley wrote: # # # # From: Stephen Rigley # # Subject: xj: Rear shock bolts. # # To: "xj-list" # # Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 8:52 AM # # # # Hi, # # I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last few # weeks at # # home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might put # them in # # (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). # # So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock bolts # are # # almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its pretty # clean up # # there, no rust. # # # # Steve # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:56:01 -0700 From: "Tesar Landon-R16884" Subject: RE: xj: Rear shock bolts. Ha! Yeah, it will strip rusted threads right off a bolt. - - L - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Daugherty, Bill W (E F PR GN) Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:44 AM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: RE: xj: Rear shock bolts. PB BLASTER is the best penetrating oil ever made !!!!!!!!!!!! (even if it smells.....) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 12:52 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. I wonder if it's a rust-belt issue... I've had what, 8 xj's? never had one break, maybe done shocks on about 1/2 of 'em.... soak those bolts in Amsoil MP, liquid wrench or that smelly stuff that jim blair likes... what's it called??? have a can or two of it in my shop... blastoff? pb blaster? something like that, smells really bad, but works well. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Ed Kummel wrote: # Happened on my 89 Wagoneer LTD... # Took the Jeep to a local garage owned by some "good 'ol boys" who only work on "mer-i-kan" cars and they drilled and tapped the broken bolt. What a pain! # Ed # web/gadget guru # # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Never mind that we just had an incredibly cold winter in North America and huge record snowfalls across the continent. As Al Gore said to a bunch of us the other day, these record cold spells and record snowfalls are actually caused by global warming. To which Jerry York replied, 'Jeez then I guess we better stop this global warming before we all f**king freeze to death, eh?' # # - 'Fake' Steve Jobs 3/24/08 blog entry # # --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Stephen Rigley wrote: # # From: Stephen Rigley # Subject: xj: Rear shock bolts. # To: "xj-list" # Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 8:52 AM # # Hi, # I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last few weeks at # home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might put them in # (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). # So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock bolts are # almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its pretty clean up # there, no rust. # # Steve # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:45:35 -0400 From: "Don Hansen" Subject: Re: xj: Re: Rear shock bolts. Nah. I just moved the brackets a bit and put lag screws in... Lazy, but it lasted until I sold the car! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Rigley" To: Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: Re: xj: Re: Rear shock bolts. > Ah.. > Did you drill them and retap/crack off the bolts or cut the floor? > Steve > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Don Hansen wrote: > >> I've snapped half of the ones I've done. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Rigley" >> To: "xj-list" >> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 8:52 AM >> Subject: xj: Rear shock bolts. >> >> >> Hi, >>> I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last few weeks >>> at >>> home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might put them >>> in >>> (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). >>> So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock bolts are >>> almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its pretty clean >>> up >>> there, no rust. >>> >>> Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:47:30 -0400 From: "Don Hansen" Subject: Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. As I recall, John, you don't HAVE rust: Only MOLD!!!!! - -Don - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "xj-list" Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:39 AM Subject: Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. > shocks should be easy... never had any break off.... especially > without rust... did you see the pictures of the OME install? > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > # Hi, > # I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last few weeks > at > # home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might put them > in > # (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). > # So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock bolts are > # almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its pretty clean > up > # there, no rust. > # > # Steve > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:08:18 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. roger that... :) can HOSE mold off though... rust ends up taking parts of the vehicle when you pressure wash though... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Don Hansen wrote: # As I recall, John, you don't HAVE rust: Only MOLD!!!!! # # -Don # # ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" # To: "xj-list" # Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:39 AM # Subject: Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. # # # > shocks should be easy... never had any break off.... especially # > without rust... did you see the pictures of the OME install? # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # > # > # Hi, # > # I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last few weeks # > at # > # home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might put them # > in # > # (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). # > # So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock bolts are # > # almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its pretty clean # > up # > # there, no rust. # > # # > # Steve # > # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:10:56 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. yeah, the VM, hardy unit but this one wasn't looked after previously :-( Got home, picked up my tools and headed back to the Heep, it was popped push rod. Think I found the source of my leak (crack in the cam cover, badly patched previously) AND my starting issues too (melted glow plug connectors).. so all in all.. it was a positive outcome ;-) I'd better go and order some pushrods while I think of it.. Cheers, Steve On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:49 PM, john wrote: > this is the VM motor? > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > # Thanks for that John, looks like it'll have to wait now though.. its > only > # running on 3 cylinders since about 5 minutes ago :-( I reckon either > its > # lost compression in the cylinder or one of the push rods has popped out > of > # its rocker again.. * sigh * > # > # On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:18 PM, john wrote: > # > # > http://wagoneers.com/XJ/tech/OldManEmu/ome-lw.html > # > > # > ----- > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: > http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > # > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # > > # > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: > # > > # > # Think I did, can't find the link now.. do you have it handy? > # > # Thanks > # > # Steve > # > # > # > # On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:39 PM, john wrote: > # > # > # > # > shocks should be easy... never had any break off.... especially > # > # > without rust... did you see the pictures of the OME install? > # > # > > # > # > john > # > # > > # > # > ----- > # > # > > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they > mold > # > # > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: > # > http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > # > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > # > # > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > # > # > > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: > # > # > > # > # > # Hi, > # > # > # I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last > few > # > weeks > # > # > at > # > # > # home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might > put > # > them > # > # > in > # > # > # (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). > # > # > # So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock > # > bolts are > # > # > # almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its > pretty > # > clean > # > # > up > # > # > # there, no rust. > # > # > # > # > # > # Steve > # > # > # > # > # > # ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2869 *************************