From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Sep 13 10:31:45 2008 From: xj-digest xj-digest Saturday, September 13 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2870 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. xj: Diesel options xj: the classic "oops" xj: RE: fsj: Diesel options Re: xj: Re: Rear shock bolts. xj: RE: fsj: Diesel options Re: xj: Re: Rear shock bolts. XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:11:55 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. will go and source PB Blaster, sounds good! cheers Steve On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 6:06 PM, john wrote: > I have to agree, pb blaster is amazing... > > other penetrants: > amsoil mp > brake fluid > liquid wrench > wd40 > > and of course heating with a propane torch works... but be careful... all > of the above burn nicely, along with the object that the rusted bolt > or nut is attached to. :) > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Daugherty, Bill W (E F PR GN) wrote: > > # PB BLASTER is the best penetrating oil ever made !!!!!!!!!!!! > # > # (even if it smells.....) > # > # > # -----Original Message----- > # From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of > john > # Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 12:52 PM > # To: xj-at-digest.net > # Subject: Re: xj: Rear shock bolts. > # > # I wonder if it's a rust-belt issue... > # > # I've had what, 8 xj's? never had one break, maybe done > # shocks on about 1/2 of 'em.... > # > # soak those bolts in Amsoil MP, liquid wrench or that smelly stuff that > # jim blair likes... what's it called??? have a can or two of it in > # my shop... blastoff? pb blaster? something like that, smells really > # bad, but works well. :) > # > # ----- > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # - > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # SAVE fuel: use synthetics: > http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > # http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # - > # > # > # On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Ed Kummel wrote: > # > # # Happened on my 89 Wagoneer LTD... > # # Took the Jeep to a local garage owned by some "good 'ol boys" who > # only work on "mer-i-kan" cars and they drilled and tapped the broken > # bolt. What a pain! > # # Ed > # # web/gadget guru > # # > # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # # Never mind that we just had an incredibly cold winter in North > # America and huge record snowfalls across the continent. As Al Gore said > # to a bunch of us the other day, these record cold spells and record > # snowfalls are actually caused by global warming. To which Jerry York > # replied, 'Jeez then I guess we better stop this global warming before we > # all f**king freeze to death, eh?' > # # > # # - 'Fake' Steve Jobs 3/24/08 blog entry > # # > # # --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Stephen Rigley wrote: > # # > # # From: Stephen Rigley > # # Subject: xj: Rear shock bolts. > # # To: "xj-list" > # # Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 8:52 AM > # # > # # Hi, > # # I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last few > # weeks at > # # home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might put > # them in > # # (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). > # # So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock bolts > # are > # # almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its pretty > # clean up > # # there, no rust. > # # > # # Steve > # # > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:01:05 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: Diesel options any Diesel Powered LHD Grand Cherokees of the WJ variety in my price range over there? ;) '99 - '04... we like our WJ... I think we're going to keep it... thought we were going to get down to two cars... but my wife won't drive the blazer and I'd prefer to drive the benz, but drive the blazer so she doesn't drive the WJ and run up a large gas bill... :) I'm not in love with the Blazer, but it does what I want it to do... does all of what I want... it's what I was trying to do with the Grand Wagoneer, it just lacks style, class and the same feel... thought about maybe a BMW 524td, but they have timing belts and head issues and then I'd have two nice German Diesel sedans that couldn't pull my trailer or get out of the drive in the winter... :) this weekend, rebuilding the carport... http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/09-Sep-12-carport-rebuild/ALL.html when that's done, will put the passenger side WJ seat in the Blazer, then start figuring out a WVO heater setup on the Blazer to run straight filtered waste oil... not fond of the smell of BioDiesel before it's burned, not sure what it is I'm smelling, methanol or lye or what.... ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # yeah, the VM, hardy unit but this one wasn't looked after previously :-( # Got home, picked up my tools and headed back to the Heep, it was popped push # rod. # Think I found the source of my leak (crack in the cam cover, badly patched # previously) AND my starting issues too (melted glow plug connectors).. so # all in all.. it was a positive outcome ;-) # I'd better go and order some pushrods while I think of it.. # Cheers, # Steve # # On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:49 PM, john wrote: # # > this is the VM motor? # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # > # > # Thanks for that John, looks like it'll have to wait now though.. its # > only # > # running on 3 cylinders since about 5 minutes ago :-( I reckon either # > its # > # lost compression in the cylinder or one of the push rods has popped out # > of # > # its rocker again.. * sigh * # > # # > # On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:18 PM, john wrote: # > # # > # > http://wagoneers.com/XJ/tech/OldManEmu/ome-lw.html # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: # > http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > # > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > # > # > # > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # > # > # > # > # Think I did, can't find the link now.. do you have it handy? # > # > # Thanks # > # > # Steve # > # > # # > # > # On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:39 PM, john wrote: # > # > # # > # > # > shocks should be easy... never had any break off.... especially # > # > # > without rust... did you see the pictures of the OME install? # > # > # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they # > mold # > # > # > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: # > # > http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > # > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > # > # > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html # > # > # > # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # > # > # > # > # > # > # Hi, # > # > # > # I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last # > few # > # > weeks # > # > # > at # > # > # > # home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might # > put # > # > them # > # > # > in # > # > # > # (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). # > # > # > # So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock # > # > bolts are # > # > # > # almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its # > pretty # > # > clean # > # > # > up # > # > # > # there, no rust. # > # > # > # # > # > # > # Steve # > # > # > # # > # > # # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:25:57 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: the classic "oops" On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # Apparently you didn't like my old patio glass doors, after all? :) # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/09-Sep-12-carport-rebuild/DSC_0249.jpg # # -bkc # Lynnwood, WA # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] rofl... yeah... my wife was practically in tears... from laughter. :) I was knocking the 2x4's off the end with an 8lb sledge and it kind of got away from me... "00PS, crash, tinkle, tinkle...". :) she watched the whole thing... greatly amused her. She really didn't want me to put those in the wall anyway, so this worked doubly well for her... :) but I still have one pair left... we'll see if they survive... dang, thought I moved them far enough from the main construction site to be safe... ;) you back from Europe? feel like working out any frustration with a hammer? rebuilding the carport this weekend. :) http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/09-Sep-12-carport-rebuild/ALL.html john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:04:33 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: RE: fsj: Diesel options The smell is called diesel! ;^) I was thinking about a Jetta turbo diesel in the DJ but regrettably have no time to do anything (I work open to close for the next couple weeks that are left of our good weather) Wife hates the Ice Cream truck too. any Diesel Powered LHD Grand Cherokees of the WJ variety in my price range over there? ;) '99 - '04... we like our WJ... I think we're going to keep it... thought we were going to get down to two cars... but my wife won't drive the blazer and I'd prefer to drive the benz, but drive the blazer so she doesn't drive the WJ and run up a large gas bill... :) I'm not in love with the Blazer, but it does what I want it to do... does all of what I want... it's what I was trying to do with the Grand Wagoneer, it just lacks style, class and the same feel... thought about maybe a BMW 524td, but they have timing belts and head issues and then I'd have two nice German Diesel sedans that couldn't pull my trailer or get out of the drive in the winter... :) this weekend, rebuilding the carport... http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/09-Sep-12-carport-rebuild/ALL.html when that's done, will put the passenger side WJ seat in the Blazer, then start figuring out a WVO heater setup on the Blazer to run straight filtered waste oil... not fond of the smell of BioDiesel before it's burned, not sure what it is I'm smelling, methanol or lye or what.... ;) john ----- _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ^S10 hidden secrets^T from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:06:20 -0700 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: xj: Re: Rear shock bolts. much less scary snapping the bolts off than breaking loose the nuts they thread into that are welded to the inside of the frame rail,...! soak them in B'Laster PB (yes, that's how it's really spelled) repeatedly every day or so for the week before you start to work on them if you want to improve your chances of having them unthread properly. cheers! e Don Hansen wrote: > I've snapped half of the ones I've done. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Rigley" > To: "xj-list" > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 8:52 AM > Subject: xj: Rear shock bolts. > > >> Hi, >> I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last few >> weeks at >> home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might put >> them in >> (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). >> So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock bolts are >> almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its pretty >> clean up >> there, no rust. >> >> Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:29:43 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: RE: fsj: Diesel options no, the smell is the unburned BioDiesel, it smells different than Diesel. Unburned Diesel smells good. Biodiesel is fine once it's burned... biodiesel exhaust is much more pleasant than Diesel... the chemicals used to make biodiesel is what I'm probably smelling... drop by, I have a can with some in it, it's not like diesel at all... in fact, bring a hammer... will be out building the carport. ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # # The smell is called diesel! ;^) I was thinking about a Jetta turbo diesel in the DJ but regrettably have no time to do anything (I work open to close for the next couple weeks that are left of our good weather) Wife hates the Ice Cream truck too. # # # any Diesel Powered LHD Grand Cherokees of the WJ variety in my # price range over there? ;) '99 - '04... # # we like our WJ... I think we're going to keep it... thought we were # going to get down to two cars... but my wife won't drive the blazer # and I'd prefer to drive the benz, but drive the blazer so she doesn't # drive the WJ and run up a large gas bill... :) # # I'm not in love with the Blazer, but it does what I want it to do... # does all of what I want... it's what I was trying to do with the Grand # Wagoneer, it just lacks style, class and the same feel... # # thought about maybe a BMW 524td, but they have timing belts and # head issues and then I'd have two nice German Diesel sedans # that couldn't pull my trailer or get out of the drive in the winter... :) # # this weekend, rebuilding the carport... # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/09-Sep-12-carport-rebuild/ALL.html # # when that's done, will put the passenger side WJ seat in the Blazer, # then start figuring out a WVO heater setup on the Blazer to run straight # filtered waste oil... not fond of the smell of BioDiesel before it's # burned, not sure what it is I'm smelling, methanol or lye or what.... ;) # # john # ----- # _________________________________________________________________ # Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn "10 hidden secrets" from Jamie. # http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:31:04 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: Rear shock bolts. yes, presoaking is a great plan! did that on that old Willys before I started working on it... very thankful we don't have to deal with it up here in the PNW. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, ernest breakfield wrote: # much less scary snapping the bolts off than breaking loose the nuts they # thread into that are welded to the inside of the frame rail,...! # soak them in B'Laster PB (yes, that's how it's really spelled) # repeatedly every day or so for the week before you start to work on them # if you want to improve your chances of having them unthread properly. # # # cheers! # e # # # Don Hansen wrote: # > I've snapped half of the ones I've done. # > # > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Rigley" # > To: "xj-list" # > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 8:52 AM # > Subject: xj: Rear shock bolts. # > # > # >> Hi, # >> I've a couple of new Gabriel shocks staring at me for the last few # >> weeks at # >> home.. weather looks good for the weekend so I thought I might put # >> them in # >> (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment). # >> So, should I go bolt shopping now? I read that the upper shock bolts are # >> almost guaranteed to snap off on me.. any truth to it? Its pretty # >> clean up # >> there, no rust. # >> # >> Steve # ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2870 *************************