From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Mar 18 16:42:09 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Wednesday, March 18 2009 Volume 01 : Number 2973 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: filters and lunch money Re: xj: filters and lunch money xj: 1/2 Ton Capacity Pickup Truck Crane Re: xj: filters and lunch money Re: Re: xj: filters and lunch money XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:13:59 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: filters and lunch money amsoil synthetic would be the only thing I'd put in such an engine, depending on the tolerances I'd go with the lightest weight I could to reduce friction and give you the best power output and mileage. You'll need to break it in with dino oil first though! very important! You could contact the engineers at amsoil for a full up chemical analysis of their products and what they'd recommend, but after break in I'd probably use the 15w40 marine grade synthetic, I like this because it has rust protection built in, use it on my big Diesels... the benefit to your big engine, that probably won't get driven a lot, is the rust protection, but also the wider range of temperature... otherwise I'd use the 20w50 racing oil, again, the 100% synthetic flavor, not the blends. all of the amsoil synthetics will outperform any dino oil for temperature range and shear strength, as well as resistance to chemical (fuel) contamination. In my '99 4.7L V8 in the WJ I'm running the 0w30 and getting 21 mpg on the freeway... In my '91 300d I'm using the 5w30 HD Diesel and happy with it... in the tug I haven't decided which way I'm going... will probably run the 15w40 marine grade initially because I have 2 gallons sitting on the shelf. :) Hope to move it over to the lighter weight, newer formulation... it would probably be quite happy with the straight 30W heavy Duty Diesel oil. the formulation of amsoil synthetic will ensure full compatibility with dino oil and protect your engine against thermal stress... there are countless stories of folks driving literally hundreds of miles without a radiator to get home and just using the oil to cool the engine... I had one engine lose all it's oil, a 5.7L GM Diesel in fact, was driven two miles with no oil... and survived... from time to time I'll have amsoil tested and even with 25,000 miles on it, it's still good... in a Diesel! I don't like to do the tests because they're not cheap, and I usually change the oil when I test anyway... just remembered there was one trucker that put something like 600,000 miles, or more, on the same oil, had it tested regularly... went to trade the truck in and the dealer required a rebuild... they pulled the engine apart and it was still within specs... it's been a few years ago, but I could get the specifics on it... lots of "experiential", subjective, stories out there... can't think of the word, anectdotal??? Anyway, they have run lots of tests. From time to time the marketing boys will cook the books and play specmanship, but they got caught and went back to repeatable facts. As a UNIX/Linux sys admin, and a Diesel owner, I am of the mindset of setting and forgetting... with Amsoil synthetic in my crankcases I rarely worry about the oil... I try to check it every now and then, and often forget the last time I changed it... then I'll get nervous and change it and/or have it analyzed... always works out ok. :) My WJ's 4.7L V8 is very suspectible to sludge buildup, lots of dead 4.7's are popping up... oil related issues... mine has 156k on it and going strong... I've been a dealer since '83, and have seen a lot of the big oil companies come up with their versions of synthetics recently, I'm sure they're fine products, but none of them seem to have the extended drain capabilities of amsoil... but then again, haven't really looked into them very much... if I couldn't get amsoil, I'd surely select ANY synthetic with the correct API rating and use it over any dino oil. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Ed Kummel wrote: # Hey John, # I'ld been meaning to ask you this...We've discussed oil quite a bit on this # list, and maybe even broached this subject sometime in the distant past, but # I'm lazy and figure a quick email may be more efficient... # While my '72 Cutlass is out getting the cancer cut from it's sheetmetal body, # I've got its 455ci engine sitting on a stand (mainly stock) with a set of "E" # heads (the large valve ones) waiting for a refresh...it doesn't need a full # rebuild, just fresh bearings and rings and gaskets...(along with the rebuilt # heads) # My major concern is the oil to use in this engine. The heads *do* have # hardened valve seats, and I've knurled the guides...but because the engine is # basically stock, it was designed to run with the oil of the '70s... # There is quite a bit of chatter on the "interwebs" about newer oils causing # all kinds of damage to older (30 year and greater) engines...(the most famous # is the Ferrari GT owner ending up with a destroyed engine in a half a million # dollar car because today's oil is junk). # Of great concern, of couse, is the lack of zinc that acts as a valve seat # lubricant... # # so, now I come to the point here... # # Amsoil. # # How would it fare against something like a Shell Rotella for classic car # engines? Keep in mind, that this engine (yeah, it's a W-30) in its stock form, # put out almost 500 HP and over 600 FT-LBS of torque...I figure with the # massaging and port pocket grinding and intake, I should be making more than # that. The advantage of a big Olds engine is that it makes the peak power at # under 5,000 RPM, so I'm not too worried about the engine flying apart! # # ThanksEd # web/gadget guru # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # By Richard Feynman, Physicist, Nobel winner (1918-1988) # # "There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's # only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call # them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." # # --- On Wed, 3/18/09, john wrote: # # # From: john # Subject: xj: filters and lunch money # To: "Dan Black" # Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 3:12 PM # # # click on the link, # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # search for your model year... they have a nice # element that drops right in... :) shipped to your door... # # it'll also list all of your lube, wiper and filter needs, listing # amsoil, and a couple other quality brands they stock as well... # # and if that fails, go to wagoneers.com and select the parts locator # for amazon.com... # # eventually my site will earn me some lunch money... ;) # # :) # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Dan Black wrote: # # # john said: # # {- I wouldn't recommend K&N to my worst enemy... they're miserable # # {- to clean and don't filter well at all... they strain out butterflies # # {- and small birds but let everything else through... # # {- # # {- get an Amsoil air filter or keep your paper element clean... # # {- http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # # # # Whatcha got for the WJ? ;) # # # # # ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- # -- # # If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her all of her friends? # # -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org # -------------- # # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:21:26 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: filters and lunch money isn't there an additive you can buy as well? I remember having to add that extremely smelly stuff to my limited slip rear axles... fortunately amsoil reformulated their gear lube so you don't have to do that any more... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Christopher Wilson wrote: # I don't think that you'll have much of an issues since your cam is already # broken in. This seems to be the point of failure, from my readings. # # Amsoil oils have adequate ZDP (~1100ppm). Rotella has ~1500ppm. Valvoline # VR-1 is what I plan to use on my stroker (~1200ppm). # # On 3/18/09, Ed Kummel wrote: # > # > Hey John, # > I'ld been meaning to ask you this...We've discussed oil quite a bit on this # > list, and maybe even broached this subject sometime in the distant past, # > but # > I'm lazy and figure a quick email may be more efficient... # > While my '72 Cutlass is out getting the cancer cut from it's sheetmetal # > body, # > I've got its 455ci engine sitting on a stand (mainly stock) with a set of # > "E" # > heads (the large valve ones) waiting for a refresh...it doesn't need a full # > rebuild, just fresh bearings and rings and gaskets...(along with the # > rebuilt # > heads) # > My major concern is the oil to use in this engine. The heads *do* have # > hardened valve seats, and I've knurled the guides...but because the engine # > is # > basically stock, it was designed to run with the oil of the '70s... # > There is quite a bit of chatter on the "interwebs" about newer oils causing # > all kinds of damage to older (30 year and greater) engines...(the most # > famous # > is the Ferrari GT owner ending up with a destroyed engine in a half a # > million # > dollar car because today's oil is junk). # > Of great concern, of couse, is the lack of zinc that acts as a valve seat # > lubricant... # > # > so, now I come to the point here... # > # > Amsoil. # > # > How would it fare against something like a Shell Rotella for classic car # > engines? Keep in mind, that this engine (yeah, it's a W-30) in its stock # > form, # > put out almost 500 HP and over 600 FT-LBS of torque...I figure with the # > massaging and port pocket grinding and intake, I should be making more than # > that. The advantage of a big Olds engine is that it makes the peak power at # > under 5,000 RPM, so I'm not too worried about the engine flying apart! # > # > ThanksEd # > web/gadget guru # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > By Richard Feynman, Physicist, Nobel winner (1918-1988) # > # > "There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But # > it's # > only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to # > call # > them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." # > # > --- On Wed, 3/18/09, john wrote: # > # > # > From: john # > Subject: xj: filters and lunch money # > To: "Dan Black" # > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 3:12 PM # > # > # > click on the link, # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > search for your model year... they have a nice # > element that drops right in... :) shipped to your door... # > # > it'll also list all of your lube, wiper and filter needs, listing # > amsoil, and a couple other quality brands they stock as well... # > # > and if that fails, go to wagoneers.com and select the parts locator # > for amazon.com... # > # > eventually my site will earn me some lunch money... ;) # > # > :) # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Dan Black wrote: # > # > # john said: # > # {- I wouldn't recommend K&N to my worst enemy... they're miserable # > # {- to clean and don't filter well at all... they strain out butterflies # > # {- and small birds but let everything else through... # > # {- # > # {- get an Amsoil air filter or keep your paper element clean... # > # {- http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # # > # Whatcha got for the WJ? ;) # > # # > # # > # > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > -- # > # If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her all of her # > friends? # > # -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org # > -------------- # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:29:38 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: 1/2 Ton Capacity Pickup Truck Crane does anyone know how much lifting range something like this has? Will it lift a barrel from the ground up to the bed? Can't tell from this picture... This might be easier for moving barrels around than the lift I have now... but I can't tell if there is enough travel to get a barrel off of terra firma to the back of the truck... anyone used one of these? I'm thinking it may be designed to lift a barrel a few inches off the truck bed so it can be swung over to a loading dock... john 1/2 Ton Capacity Pickup Truck Crane http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=1647 Constructed with 5/16" steel for the boom and 1/2" steel plate on the base, this top quality unit will provide years of dependable service. * Boom length: 33-1/2" to 53" (4 positions) * Base swivels 360B0 * 3 ton hydraulic jack * Boom stores over wheel well when not in use 7-1/2" chain, 3/8" diameter with 5/8" latch-type hook Weight: 77 lbs. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:24:07 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: xj: filters and lunch money Yes, and I used it breaking in the engine of the 2000 XJ. The stuff I used was made by comp cams, and is called engine break in lube or something like that. Kinda pricey. Something like $10-15 per bottle. On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 04:21:26PM -0700, john wrote: > isn't there an additive you can buy as well? > > I remember having to add that extremely smelly stuff to > my limited slip rear axles... fortunately amsoil reformulated > their gear lube so you don't have to do that any more... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:30:04 +0000 From: wilsoncm-at-gmail.com Subject: Re: Re: xj: filters and lunch money GM OES is the additive that seems popular. On Mar 18, 2009 7:21pm, john wrote: > isn't there an additive you can buy as well? > I remember having to add that extremely smelly stuff to > my limited slip rear axles... fortunately amsoil reformulated > their gear lube so you don't have to do that any more... > john > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Christopher Wilson wrote: > # I don't think that you'll have much of an issues since your cam is > already > # broken in. This seems to be the point of failure, from my readings. > # > # Amsoil oils have adequate ZDP (~1100ppm). Rotella has ~1500ppm. > Valvoline > # VR-1 is what I plan to use on my stroker (~1200ppm). > # > # On 3/18/09, Ed Kummel tech_ed-at-yahoo.com> wrote: > # > > # > Hey John, > # > I'ld been meaning to ask you this...We've discussed oil quite a bit > on this > # > list, and maybe even broached this subject sometime in the distant > past, > # > but > # > I'm lazy and figure a quick email may be more efficient... > # > While my '72 Cutlass is out getting the cancer cut from it's > sheetmetal > # > body, > # > I've got its 455ci engine sitting on a stand (mainly stock) with a > set of > # > "E" > # > heads (the large valve ones) waiting for a refresh...it doesn't need > a full > # > rebuild, just fresh bearings and rings and gaskets...(along with the > # > rebuilt > # > heads) > # > My major concern is the oil to use in this engine. The heads *do* have > # > hardened valve seats, and I've knurled the guides...but because the > engine > # > is > # > basically stock, it was designed to run with the oil of the '70s... > # > There is quite a bit of chatter on the "interwebs" about newer oils > causing > # > all kinds of damage to older (30 year and greater) engines...(the most > # > famous > # > is the Ferrari GT owner ending up with a destroyed engine in a half a > # > million > # > dollar car because today's oil is junk). > # > Of great concern, of couse, is the lack of zinc that acts as a valve > seat > # > lubricant... > # > > # > so, now I come to the point here... > # > > # > Amsoil. > # > > # > How would it fare against something like a Shell Rotella for classic > car > # > engines? Keep in mind, that this engine (yeah, it's a W-30) in its > stock > # > form, > # > put out almost 500 HP and over 600 FT-LBS of torque...I figure with > the > # > massaging and port pocket grinding and intake, I should be making > more than > # > that. The advantage of a big Olds engine is that it makes the peak > power at > # > under 5,000 RPM, so I'm not too worried about the engine flying apart! > # > > # > ThanksEd > # > web/gadget guru > # > > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > By Richard Feynman, Physicist, Nobel winner (1918-1988) > # > > # > "There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. > But > # > it's > # > only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used > to > # > call > # > them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical > numbers." > # > > # > --- On Wed, 3/18/09, john john-at-wagoneers.com> wrote: > # > > # > > # > From: john john-at-wagoneers.com> > # > Subject: xj: filters and lunch money > # > To: "Dan Black" dan-at-black.org> > # > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 3:12 PM > # > > # > > # > click on the link, > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > search for your model year... they have a nice > # > element that drops right in... :) shipped to your door... > # > > # > it'll also list all of your lube, wiper and filter needs, listing > # > amsoil, and a couple other quality brands they stock as well... > # > > # > and if that fails, go to wagoneers.com and select the parts locator > # > for amazon.com... > # > > # > eventually my site will earn me some lunch money... ;) > # > > # > :) > # > > # > ----- > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # > On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Dan Black wrote: > # > > # > # john john-at-wagoneers.com> said: > # > # {- I wouldn't recommend K&N to my worst enemy... they're miserable > # > # {- to clean and don't filter well at all... they strain out > butterflies > # > # {- and small birds but let everything else through... > # > # {- > # > # {- get an Amsoil air filter or keep your paper element clean... > # > # {- http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > # > # > # Whatcha got for the WJ? ;) > # > # > # > # > # > > # > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > -- > # > # If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her all of her > # > friends? > # > # -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org > # > -------------- > # > # > # ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2973 *************************