From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Mon May 18 16:47:47 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Monday, May 18 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3005 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: and Fiat will do better? Re: xj: and Fiat will do better? xj: Re: [db] and Fiat will do better? xj: SV: and Fiat will do better? Re: xj: SV: and Fiat will do better? Re: xj: SV: and Fiat will do better? Re: xj: SV: and Fiat will do better? xj: Saturday drive xj: cummins 6at question (was T19 question) XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:33:19 -0400 From: Christopher Wilson Subject: Re: xj: and Fiat will do better? Make cars people want to drive. It's really not that hard. The Jeep community has been pretty steady with what they want. Instead they make 2wd cars with a Jeep badge. Fiat couldn't do any worse.. On 5/16/09, john wrote: > > "Cars that wrecked Chrysler"... on the list, the Jeep Commander... > > independent front suspension, not a solid axle! A WK designator, > where's the "J" designator? > > And what were they thinking when they killed the SJ, XJ and WJ models??? > > > > http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/autos/0904/gallery.chrysler_trouble/3.html > > What chrysler has done to the Jeep brand is criminal... they ignored years > of tradition and the basic requirements expected by loyal jeep buyers! > They did have a couple of successes in the grand scheme of things, other > than the limited visibility in the WJ it is a superb, and real, Jeep. They > got serious with the Wrangler line, but really wonder about 4 doors on > them... > maybe I should check one out... too bad they didn't put a Diesel in > those... > > Certainly Fiat could do even more damage... unless of course they > put solid axles back under them and put Diesels in them... ;) At this > point, if they make them affordable with Diesels I'll live with the > wrong designtors and IFS. :) > > What will become of the Jeep brand? Will it return to it's heritage > or be blended in with another brand like Chrysler tried to do... > > Here's a news article about a dealership in South Dakota that has > been a Jeep dealer since 1929, sure the brand technically only > goes back to the 40's, but if you count Willys-Overland it works. :) > > > http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/smallbusiness/0905/gallery.car_dealerships.smb/7.html > > Owner: Steve Biegler > Location: Aberdeen, S.D. > > "My small Jeep dealership was started back in 1929 by my grandfather. We've > gone through plenty of difficult times over the past 80 years when the brand > moved between companies, but this time was different. > > I was getting inklings that something might go awry with the Jeep brand > before the financial collapse, but then when the banks' problems hit, I > realized we were facing a perfect storm. I was optimistic we'd pull through > until Chrysler filed for bankruptcy. At that point I knew we'd probably be > gone because the franchise agreements would be null. Unfortunately, I was > right. > > Initially I had heard that those getting letters via UPS would be those who > had survived. A friend called while I was driving and said he got a package > with a letter containing good news. I called my office and asked my > employees to look out for the UPS truck. When we got a package, I was > relieved. I thought the letter would say we were alright. > > I had about 20 seconds of euphoria. Then, my employee read the letter to > me. Apparently all dealerships received a letter, and we were one of the 789 > that got the dreaded version. > > The letter was like a kick in the groin to me - even though I sensed it was > coming, the blow still hurt. I have 12 employees and my son Matt would be > the business's fourth generation. Chrysler corporate is nonchalant about > this. They don't realize how deeply it hurts everyone. > > I feel fortunate that I just sold my last car last Saturday - I had started > cutting back on inventory five months ago to focus on our power sports > inventory such as ATVs. That part of the business has grown since I launched > it more than 10 years ago. Those vehicles are popular in this farming and > ranch community. > > But regardless of our particular situation, what Chrysler has done to the > small dealerships is shortsighted. It's wrong that they think a standalone > can't compete. When I get customers, who become more like friends, they have > my home, cell and office numbers and are encouraged to call me after hours, > on holidays and weekends. That kind of a relationship doesn't have a > pricetag." - as told to Emily Maltby > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 11:12:57 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: and Fiat will do better? have you seen some of the Fiats? :) Jeep has made plenty of respectable 2wd models within the main line... even the SJs and XJs could come as 2wd, and what was nice is that it wasn't all that hard to make them 4wd later. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 16 May 2009, Christopher Wilson wrote: # Make cars people want to drive. It's really not that hard. # The Jeep community has been pretty steady with what they want. Instead they # make 2wd cars with a Jeep badge. Fiat couldn't do any worse.. # # On 5/16/09, john wrote: # > # > "Cars that wrecked Chrysler"... on the list, the Jeep Commander... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 11:15:14 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: Re: [db] and Fiat will do better? Diesel would be good... a Jeep is a farm vehicle... or should be... we're NOT talking cars, they're JEEPS, if you want a car, buy a Ford or Mercedes... :) that's the problem, the keepers of the brand lost their focus, their vision, their heritage... If I want a nice car I don't look at Jeeps. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 16 May 2009, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: # On Saturday 16 May 2009, my mailbox was graced by a missive # from john who wrote: # # > Certainly Fiat could do even more damage... unless of course they # > put solid axles back under them and put Diesels in them... ;) # # Dont count on Fiat, who are a reasonably modern and intelligent car-maker, to # put on anything they are responsible for rigid axles, that may belong on a # heavy lorry or a farm vehicle, but do not belong not a modern car. # # Diesel ? Why not ? # # Cheers, # # Ron. # -- # History is the version of past events # that people have decided to agree on. # -- Napoleon Bonaparte # # -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 23:24:07 +0200 From: "Sune Cullberg" Subject: xj: SV: and Fiat will do better? Well, in Europe... http://www.jeep.se/wrangler/features/performance/diesel.html - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] Fvr john Skickat: den 16 maj 2009 18:30 Till: undisclosed-recipients: Dmne: xj: and Fiat will do better? >>>> They got serious with the Wrangler line, but really wonder about 4 doors on them... maybe I should check one out... too bad they didn't put a Diesel in those... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 22:35:58 +0100 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: Re: xj: SV: and Fiat will do better? I was gonna say but ... ;-) On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Sune Cullberg wrote: > Well, in Europe... > http://www.jeep.se/wrangler/features/performance/diesel.html > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] Fvr john > Skickat: den 16 maj 2009 18:30 > Till: undisclosed-recipients: > Dmne: xj: and Fiat will do better? > > >>>> > They got serious with the Wrangler line, but really wonder about 4 doors on > them... > maybe I should check one out... too bad they didn't put a Diesel in > those... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 20:20:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: SV: and Fiat will do better? it's not fair... simply not fair... no justice in this life... ;) thanx for sharing this... lucky dogs... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 16 May 2009, Sune Cullberg wrote: # Well, in Europe... # http://www.jeep.se/wrangler/features/performance/diesel.html # # # -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- # Fren: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] Fvr john # Skickat: den 16 maj 2009 18:30 # Till: undisclosed-recipients: # Dmne: xj: and Fiat will do better? # # >>>> # They got serious with the Wrangler line, but really wonder about 4 doors on # them... # maybe I should check one out... too bad they didn't put a Diesel in those... # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 20:22:15 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: SV: and Fiat will do better? sure, go ahead, rub it in... ;) I've got my Diesel Jeep for now... just got back from a WVO run up I-5, easily cruised at 70mph, had it up to 80mph briefly... amsoil synthetic oil sure seemed to perk it up a bit... it did 70 before, barely, now I found myself cruising with the same effort at 75. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 16 May 2009, Stephen Rigley wrote: # I was gonna say but ... ;-) # # On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Sune Cullberg wrote: # # > Well, in Europe... # > http://www.jeep.se/wrangler/features/performance/diesel.html # > # > # > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- # > Fren: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] Fvr john # > Skickat: den 16 maj 2009 18:30 # > Till: undisclosed-recipients: # > Dmne: xj: and Fiat will do better? # > # > >>>> # > They got serious with the Wrangler line, but really wonder about 4 doors on # > them... # > maybe I should check one out... too bad they didn't put a Diesel in # > those... # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 21:00:41 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: xj: Saturday drive got the 4wd working on the '86 cj-10a today... bought a GW lever, but ended up using the J10 lever with the additional linkage, cheesy install, maybe someday I'll weld the two rods together, in the meantime they're held in place with a couple hose clamps and an air line clamp for a catalytic converter... no pictures were taken. ;) ... sunny day, so we decided to head up to Popeye's Chicken in Burlington/Mt.Vernon so I loaded up the tug with about 50 gallons of WVO (400lbs) and some empties and we went up to Arlington to drop it off, and picked up 20 gallons of BioDiesel (140lbs). Easily cruised at 70 to 75 mph on I-5 in both directions, including a strong head wind. Last run down I-5 the tug was just barely able to do 70, typically ran comfortably at just over 65. This trip I was holding it back and still climbing to 75. For a brief stretch I was able to run it up to 80. There was more, but too much traffic, and of course the speed limit is 70... not sure what the top end is, but it sure seemed happy in the 70+ range now, where it used to sit around 60 to 65. Running 235/75-15s with 3.31 gears. I switched the 3.2L Diesel over to amsoil synthetic diesel oil (15w40) a couple hundred miles ago, seems to be starting easier too. Also able to hold 55 - 60 mph up the Clearview hill on SR9 now! Actually able to hit 45mph by 152nd now, before I was doing about 30, but that's the shift kit there... here's some snapshots: http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/05-May-16-wvo-run/ http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/ http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/ john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:47:16 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: xj: cummins 6at question (was T19 question) another question... (see earlier question below) would the Cummins 6AT be able to move the '67 J100 Panel around considering it's on 35's with 3.07 gears???? if I use the T18 I'd have granny low, it's unsyncronized though, but I know where there's a T19. :) all this is based on a Jeep sitting in my driveway... it has been here for over 7 years and isn't used very often... only needs a few things, like a front driveshaft... ;) thanx, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 18 May 2009, diesel john wrote: # # have a T18 from a 1980 J10. # The NP208 is in my '86 cj-10a now... (used the j10 lever) # # have one each '67 J100 panel... currently with a 232/t86/d20 # # found a cummins 6at with a chevy adapter... # # thinking... Diesel panel... just thinking... # # better question really should be if I can mate the # cummins 6at to my T5 in my '83 J10 stepside. :) # # # anyway: # # can the jeep T18 be mated to a Chevy? # can the jeep T18 be mated to a Dana 20 xfr case? # # I'm thinking that the transmission has pieces that bolt on # the front and the back, so this shouldn't be too hard, right? :) # # OH, BTW, here's the picture of my NP198... replaced with aforementioned NP208: # # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/AXLES_ENGINE_INFO/modified-np198/ALL.html # # john # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3005 *************************