From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Jun 16 12:24:09 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Tuesday, June 16 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3018 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Re: Re: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish Re: xj: Motor mount distance xj: RE: Re: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish Re: xj: RE: Re: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish xj: Diesel dreamin' xj: FOUND the J20!!! RE: fsj: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish Re: xj: Motor mount distance xj: Re: fsj: Ethanol in the fuel (and BioDiesel) Re: xj: Re: fsj: Ethanol in the fuel (and BioDiesel) XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:30:12 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish send the plane tickets, tank that beast up and I might just drive it away for you... will it make it to Seattle? :) rofl... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Don Hansen wrote: # Salt the roads so the Jeeps could RUST instead of MOLDING!!!!! # # WTF, take a ride and buy the sucker! NO offers refused!!!! # # ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" # To: # Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 5:55 PM # Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish # # # > oh man... why are you on the other coast? whazzamatter with your family? # > why didn't they go west like the rest of us? # > # > well, guess somebody had to stay back there to salt the roads... ;) # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Don Hansen wrote: # > # > # PS Also has Meyer 8' plow. Tires are tired. Cap on back with broken back # > # window a dent in roof from tree falling on it 2 winters ago.. (I know, # > I'm # > # making this baby REALLY attractive!!!!) # > # BUT, it is a J20 from the LAST year of production, actually, 12-86. I'm # > the # > # 2nd owner. # > # # > # Front springs, calipers, 1 rear half-shaft(I have another spare) rear # > drums, # > # 1 motor mount. water pump and God knows what else have been # > replaced!!!!! # > # # > # -Don # > # # > # ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Hansen" # > # To: # > # Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 5:12 PM # > # Subject: xj: Re: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish # > # # > # # > # >I have an 87 J-20 for sale in Braintree. MA. 123000 miles with Holley # > # >Projection fuel injection instead of the bleeping 2150 carb!. Needs # > brake # > # >lines, gs tank straps and flexplate. (I have the flexplate) # > # > # > # > Any takers??????? # > # > # > # > ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" # > # > To: "xj-list" ; "Allan Weidenheimer" # > # > ; "Dennis Rhoades" # > ; # > # > "elliott sydnam" ; "Jim Sterling" # > # > ; "Mike Abber" ; # > "mike # > # > Lacher" ; "Ben Hollingsworth - FSJ" # > # > ; "Terry Rust" ; "Tom Collins" # > # > ; "Adam Zeimet" ; # > # > ; "full size jeep list" # > # > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:23 AM # > # > Subject: xj: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish # > # > # > # > # > # > > this 86 J20 was sold a few years ago in snohomish, washington, # > # > > low miles... the guy that sold it would like to get it back... any # > one # > # > > know where it went? # > # > > # > # > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/J20-low-miles-1986/ALL.html # > # > > # > # > > thanx, # > # > > john # > # > > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > > ----- # > # > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > # > > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:35:00 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: xj: Motor mount distance That's my guess, based on a range of XJ's in the fleet spanning 11 years. On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 01:22:29PM -0700, john wrote: > so the difference may be that the 4.0 came out of a wj? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:58:20 -0400 From: "Bob Brooks" Subject: xj: RE: Re: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish Don: Pictures? What are you asking for it?? Thanks; Bob rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Don Hansen Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 5:12 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: xj: Re: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish I have an 87 J-20 for sale in Braintree. MA. 123000 miles with Holley Projection fuel injection instead of the bleeping 2150 carb!. Needs brake lines, gs tank straps and flexplate. (I have the flexplate) Any takers??????? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "xj-list" ; "Allan Weidenheimer" ; "Dennis Rhoades" ; "elliott sydnam" ; "Jim Sterling" ; "Mike Abber" ; "mike Lacher" ; "Ben Hollingsworth - FSJ" ; "Terry Rust" ; "Tom Collins" ; "Adam Zeimet" ; ; "full size jeep list" Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: xj: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish > this 86 J20 was sold a few years ago in snohomish, washington, > low miles... the guy that sold it would like to get it back... any one > know where it went? > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/J20-low-miles-1986/ALL.html > > thanx, > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:54:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: RE: Re: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish Don, if you don't have a place to put pictures email them to me and I'll build you a page... for the plow... ;) (just kidding...:) I'm heading over to Idaho to get a SD33T for my '83 J10 stepside... :) BTW, we may have found the '86 J20 my friend was looking for! john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Bob Brooks wrote: # Don: # # Pictures? What are you asking for it?? # # Thanks; # # Bob # rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Don # Hansen # Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 5:12 PM # To: xj-at-digest.net # Subject: xj: Re: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish # # I have an 87 J-20 for sale in Braintree. MA. 123000 miles with Holley # Projection fuel injection instead of the bleeping 2150 carb!. Needs brake # lines, gs tank straps and flexplate. (I have the flexplate) # # Any takers??????? # # ----- Original Message ----- # From: "john" # To: "xj-list" ; "Allan Weidenheimer" # ; "Dennis Rhoades" ; # "elliott sydnam" ; "Jim Sterling" # ; "Mike Abber" ; "mike # Lacher" ; "Ben Hollingsworth - FSJ" # ; "Terry Rust" ; "Tom Collins" # ; "Adam Zeimet" ; # ; "full size jeep list" # Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:23 AM # Subject: xj: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish # # # > this 86 J20 was sold a few years ago in snohomish, washington, # > low miles... the guy that sold it would like to get it back... any one # > know where it went? # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/J20-low-miles-1986/ALL.html # > # > thanx, # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:00:06 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: xj: Diesel dreamin' ever had one of those Diesel dilemas? :) life is good... no problems there... biggest problem right now is too many options, and they all have limitations... the current plan (subject to change without notice) is to head over to Idaho on Thursday to pick up a couple SD33Ts, a 727 and a T19 with all the adapters and accessories... not sure if I'll put the SD33T in the tug as an intermediate step or go straight into the '83 J10 stepside and use the T-5 or the T-19. however, ran across a very clean '88 K15 GMC Jimmy with a 6.2: http://wagoneers.com/tmp/jimmy/ALL.html so, do I stick with the '86 cj-10a and install a Turbo, or do I put the turbo Diesel in my '83 J10 stepside, or do I ditch both and go back to a 6.2L Diesel in a GMC Jimmy??? thankfully counselors were available and I'm staying the course with the J10... :) every now and then I need a reality check... thanx dave. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:56:37 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: FOUND the J20!!! RE: fsj: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish amazing... Rick, what a fantastic FSJ story... congrats. If you get it bring it on by I'll take more pictures of it. ;) You should get on the FSJ list as well... http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/FSJ-list.html Thanks Dennis for having an eye for FSJs and rescuing them... I've thought about buying my '91 Grand Wagoneer with the 6.2L Diesel back, but it's so far away (wrong coast) and it sold for a good price so I can't afford to buy it back... So, I have decided to put the SD33T and T19 into my '83 J10 stepside and sell the CJ-10a. Heading over to Idaho on Thursday to pickup the engine and trans. I'm very much looking forward to having my J10 back... especially after seeing pictures of it with your J20. I'll pray the guy sells the J20 back to you. :) http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/J20-low-miles-1986/ALL.html john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Rick Reed wrote: # Thanks a lot, Dennis. I went there tonight and found the truck (it's the right one!) and the owner. He's considering selling it back to me. He needs to sleep on it and will call me tomorrow. # # I'll stay in touch. # # Thanks again! # Rick # # Subject: Re: fsj: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish # # Dennis, # # Wow, that's great. Sure it's the same one or just another nice J20? # # Where in Edmonds? Either way I'll let Rick know... with gas prices the way # they are the g # uy might be willing to sell it back to the guy. :) # # john # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, drivein59-at-aol.com wrote: # # # I have seen it?in Edmonds at an apartment complex # # # -----Original # Message----- # From: john < john-at-wagoneers.com> # To: xj-list # # # # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/J20-low-miles-1986/ALL.html # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:55:20 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: Re: xj: Motor mount distance Both the 42RE and 45RFE are fuel hogs. You'd be better with the AW4 and having a custom adapter made. 40% less friction means less fuel. From: john Subject: Re: xj: Motor mount distance why not look at mating a 45RFE out of a wJ with an NV247? don't use the 42Re that usually mates to the 4.0 in a WJ... same thing they used in the ZJ... figured I'd get better mileage in a wJ with a 4.0, not so... most likely because of the AT... my '99 wj with a 4.7/45rfe does quite well overall, especially with amsoil synthetics.. it loves cruising on the freeway, see 21 mpg, even 18 towing my trailer... in town it's pretty sad though. _________________________________________________________________ Bing^Y brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_M LOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:09:56 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: xj: Re: fsj: Ethanol in the fuel (and BioDiesel) excellent info (below sig file), sharing... thanx curtis... one of the issues I've heard of is that rubber is affected by ethanol, I KNOW that BioDiesel will melt/dissolve rubber... had to convert my Diesels to steel lines or Viton or synthetic o-rings... Omega had fits with the rubber line going into the lift pump... the new owners also sprang a leak going into the lift pump... ultimately that spill caused the rubber belt to fail on the freeway... :( And on my '91 300D, I had to replace the high pressure seals in my injection pump because of WVO and BioDiesel: http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/Pressure-Valve-Seal-Replacement/ On my '91 300D which is run almost exclusively on BioDiesel, see the filler neck: looks like something out of a Salvador Dali painting... http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/benz-pipe-n-filler/P1090360.jpg http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/benz-pipe-n-filler/ so, if you're gonna use Alternate fuels, gas or Diesel, do NOT use rubber. Viton is the synthetic of choice for BioDiesel, suspect it'll work fine for Ethanol as well... it's not cheap, but you get to avoid all that fun on the roadside... or worse the waiting room of a mechanics shop if you can't fix it yourself... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Curtis wrote: The last several months has shown a increased concern for ethanol in the gas and what it means for us with older vehicles. I have been sent information from many legitimate sources of the cause and effect of the problem and some solutions. I take with a grain of salt , as should you, any article that names specific products as some of these articles come from parts suppliers. I do not doubt the information given as many sources and independent tests are giving very similar results, I just tend to think they mention the specific products that they sell. So there is the disclaimer. The information before the sales pitch tends to be reliable so I thought I would share. Here is a web address for an article by MOSS MOTORS. You will probably need to copy and paste into your browser. http://www.mossmotors.com/SiteGraphics/Pages/Ethanol.html?utm_source=British174bs&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer They are a British car supplier I have used for more than 25 years (Wow, did I really say that out loud?) and it tends to British specific, but the information still applies to us. I have other articles that read essentially the same way that unfortunately are not as easy to pass along. Supposedly here in Washington, according to our government, we have been using ethanol mix for decades. But for some reason, like the rest of the country,our gasoline has turned to crap causing seemingly no end of problems for the past 6 months or more. Since we drive older vehicles it impacts us especially hard so I thought I would share what information I can. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:22:14 -0700 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Ethanol in the fuel (and BioDiesel) (not sure why i'm getting this on an XJ list, but in the sake of dispelling some less-than-accurate information,...) BioD eating fuel hoses is a greatly overhyped issue; many people in the BioDiesel fleet here (in Berkeley) initially fell victim to the same paranoia, though most have become wiser to the reality in the last few years. firstly, it's unlikely fuel lines will fail catastrophically; they begin to seep long before they actually leak. when i got our MBZ 300D and started using B99 in it i decided i'd watch the fuel lines (like i would with any 20 year old car) to see when they'd need replacing. over 5 years and 60,000 miles of almost exclusively B99 later there's been no problem, and i'm still waiting for any indication that they need any attention. cheers! e diesel john wrote: > excellent info (below sig file), sharing... thanx curtis... > > one of the issues I've heard of is that rubber is affected by ethanol, > I KNOW that BioDiesel will melt/dissolve rubber... > > had to convert my Diesels to steel lines or Viton or synthetic o-rings... > > Omega had fits with the rubber line going into the lift pump... > the new owners also sprang a leak going into the lift pump... ultimately that spill > caused the rubber belt to fail on the freeway... :( > > > And on my '91 300D, I had to replace the high pressure seals in my injection pump > because of WVO and BioDiesel: > > http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/Pressure-Valve-Seal-Replacement/ > > > On my '91 300D which is run almost exclusively on BioDiesel, see the filler neck: > looks like something out of a Salvador Dali painting... > > http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/benz-pipe-n-filler/P1090360.jpg > http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/benz-pipe-n-filler/ > > > so, if you're gonna use Alternate fuels, gas or Diesel, do NOT use rubber. > > Viton is the synthetic of choice for BioDiesel, suspect it'll work fine for Ethanol as well... > it's not cheap, but you get to avoid all that fun on the roadside... or worse the waiting > room of a mechanics shop if you can't fix it yourself... > > john > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Curtis wrote: > > The last several months has shown a increased concern for ethanol in the gas > and what it means for us with older vehicles. I have been sent information > from many legitimate sources of the cause and effect of the problem and some > solutions. I take with a grain of salt , as should you, any article that > names specific products as some of these articles come from parts suppliers. > I do not doubt the information given as many sources and independent tests > are giving very similar results, I just tend to think they mention the > specific products that they sell. So there is the disclaimer. The > information before the sales pitch tends to be reliable so I thought I would > share. Here is a web address for an article by MOSS MOTORS. You will > probably need to copy and paste into your browser. > > http://www.mossmotors.com/SiteGraphics/Pages/Ethanol.html?utm_source=British174bs&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer > > They are a British car supplier I have used for more than 25 years (Wow, did > I really say that out loud?) and it tends to British specific, but the > information still applies to us. I have other articles that read essentially > the same way that unfortunately are not as easy to pass along. Supposedly > here in Washington, according to our government, we have been using ethanol > mix for decades. But for some reason, like the rest of the country,our > gasoline has turned to crap causing seemingly no end of problems for the past > 6 months or more. Since we drive older vehicles it impacts us especially > hard so I thought I would share what information I can. ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3018 *************************