From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Jul 14 23:09:28 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Wednesday, July 15 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3039 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Re: Tail Gate Internals Re: xj: Re: Tail Gate Internals Re: xj: Re: Tail Gate Internals xj: administrivia: notes on using this list XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:49:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: Re: Tail Gate Internals There's always this: http://tinyurl.com/mjslrs (full url so you know where you're being sent: http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Search?catalogId=10101&storeId=10101&sku=Z X325878&zmam=73771597&zmas=4&zmac=76&zmap=ZX325878) I thought of doing this, but fabricating something myself. Ed web/gadget guru - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ By Richard Feynman, Physicist, Nobel winner (1918-1988) "There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." - --- On Sun, 7/12/09, barbierij-at-optonline.net wrote: From: barbierij-at-optonline.net Subject: Re: xj: Re: Tail Gate Internals To: xj-at-digest.net Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 8:28 PM I was able to get 6 1/4" speakers in there, but the panel had to be cut a little to make it look normal. I second john's idea. I found one of those bars in the junk yard. I reuphostered it with fleece. Just make sure you take all the old glue off of the fiberglass before you reupholster. I used 3M super 77 to get it to stick. Still no problems. In this picture, the roof is fleece...put the bar in and realized i should have done that too. Now it looks awesome. http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/Jesse-85/jesse-87-soundbar.JPG Plus, it sounds alot better in there. Make some custom boxes for 8" subs while you are at it. Doesnt take up much room the way I did it, and people were always expecting to see 12" subs. http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/Jesse-85/jesse-87-8inchsub2.JPG Jesse. - ----- Original Message ----- From: john Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:08 pm Subject: xj: Re: Tail Gate Internals To: Colucci B Cc: XJ GROUP > on the newer xj's they had a speaker bar that went under the > rear light... a 6x9 could be made to fit in there and will > spare cracking the eggs in your groceries... ;) > > > > ----- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > > > On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Colucci B wrote: > > # Greetings To The XJ World! > # > # I have been pondering a new set of speakers for the 92 Chero. > and wondering > # if anybody has put anything larger then those putrid 4'' > speakers in the rear > # tail gate with any success. The key is I want to use the 4'' > holes as a > # starting point for the larger speakers so I do not have to do > as much > # fabrication work on the tail gate inner carpet covered, > plastic face panel. > # > # So how much depth with the wiper motor and license plate > inset do I have to > # play with? Will a 6x9 speaker fit nicely in the tail gate, > or maybe a larger > # diameter round speaker? I would like to see some photos of > those who might > # have had success on this endeavor. > # > # > # Until the next dimension, > # Admiral "Coluch." > # > Jesse Barbieri A+, Network+, MCP, MCDST The Computer Works (518) 755-9625 Rosendale, NY 12472 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 02:50:30 +0000 (GMT) From: barbierij-at-optonline.net Subject: Re: xj: Re: Tail Gate Internals But that would not hold an 8" audiobahn dual voice coil 600w sub (300w per coil)----- Original Message -----From: Ed Kummel Date: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:49 pmSubject: Re: xj: Re: Tail Gate InternalsTo: xj-at-digest.net> There's always this:> http://tinyurl.com/mjslrs> > (full url so you know where you're being sent:> http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Search?catalogId=10101&storeId=10101&sku=Z> X325878&zmam=73771597&zmas=4&zmac=76&zmap=ZX325878)> > I thought of doing this, but fabricating something myself.> Ed> web/gadget guru> > - -----------------------------------------------------------------> -------> By Richard Feynman, Physicist, Nobel winner (1918-1988)> > "There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge > number. But it's> only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We > used to call> them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical > numbers."> --- On Sun, 7/12/09, barbierij-at-optonline.net > wrote:> > > From: barbierij-at-optonline.net > Subject: Re: xj: Re: Tail Gate Internals> To: xj-at-digest.net> Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 8:28 PM> > > I was able to get 6 1/4" speakers in there, but the panel had to > be cut a> little to make it look normal. I second john's idea. I found > one of those> bars in the junk yard. I reuphostered it with fleece. Just > make sure you> take all the old glue off of the fiberglass before you > reupholster. I used 3M> super 77 to get it to stick. Still no problems. In this > picture, the roof is> fleece...put the bar in and realized i should have done that > too. Now it> looks awesome.> > http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/Jesse-85/jesse-87-soundbar.JPG> > Plus, it sounds alot better in there. Make some custom boxes > for 8" subs> while you are at it. Doesnt take up much room the way I did it, > and people> were always expecting to see 12" subs.> > > http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/Jesse-85/jesse-87-8inchsub2.JPG> > Jesse.> > > > > ----- Original Message -----> From: john> Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:08 pm> Subject: xj: Re: Tail Gate Internals> To: Colucci B> Cc: XJ GROUP> > > on the newer xj's they had a speaker bar that went under the> > rear light... a 6x9 could be made to fit in there and will> > spare cracking the eggs in your groceries... ;)> >> >> >> > -----> > - ---------------------------------------------------------------> --> > - -------> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org> > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us> > - ---------------------------------------------------------------> --> > - -------> >> >> > On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Colucci B wrote:> >> > # Greetings To The XJ World!> > #> > # I have been pondering a new set of speakers for the 92 Chero.> > and wondering> > # if anybody has put anything larger then those putrid 4''> > speakers in the rear> > # tail gate with any success. The key is I want to use the 4''> > holes as a> > # starting point for the larger speakers so I do not have to do> > as much> > # fabrication work on the tail gate inner carpet covered,> > plastic face panel.> > #> > # So how much depth with the wiper motor and license plate> > inset do I have to> > # play with? Will a 6x9 speaker fit nicely in the tail gate,> > or maybe a larger> > # diameter round speaker? I would like to see some photos of> > those who might> > # have had success on this endeavor.> > #> > #> > # Until the next dimension,> > # Admiral "Coluch."> > #> >> > Jesse Barbieri> A+, Network+, MCP, MCDST> The Computer Works> (518) 755-9625> Rosendale, NY 12472> Jesse BarbieriA+, Network+, MCP, MCDSTThe Computer Works(518) 755-9625Rosendale, NY 12472 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:25:53 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: Tail Gate Internals pretty slick, they didn't have stuff like that when I had an XJ. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Ed Kummel wrote: # There's always this: # http://tinyurl.com/mjslrs # # (full url so you know where you're being sent: # http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Search?catalogId=10101&storeId=10101&sku=Z # X325878&zmam=73771597&zmas=4&zmac=76&zmap=ZX325878) # # I thought of doing this, but fabricating something myself. # Ed # web/gadget guru # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # By Richard Feynman, Physicist, Nobel winner (1918-1988) # # "There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's # only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call # them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." # # --- On Sun, 7/12/09, barbierij-at-optonline.net wrote: # # # From: barbierij-at-optonline.net # Subject: Re: xj: Re: Tail Gate Internals # To: xj-at-digest.net # Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 8:28 PM # # # I was able to get 6 1/4" speakers in there, but the panel had to be cut a # little to make it look normal. I second john's idea. I found one of those # bars in the junk yard. I reuphostered it with fleece. Just make sure you # take all the old glue off of the fiberglass before you reupholster. I used 3M # super 77 to get it to stick. Still no problems. In this picture, the roof is # fleece...put the bar in and realized i should have done that too. Now it # looks awesome. # # http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/Jesse-85/jesse-87-soundbar.JPG # # Plus, it sounds alot better in there. Make some custom boxes for 8" subs # while you are at it. Doesnt take up much room the way I did it, and people # were always expecting to see 12" subs. # # # http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/Jesse-85/jesse-87-8inchsub2.JPG # # Jesse. # # # # # ----- Original Message ----- # From: john # Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:08 pm # Subject: xj: Re: Tail Gate Internals # To: Colucci B # Cc: XJ GROUP # # > on the newer xj's they had a speaker bar that went under the # > rear light... a 6x9 could be made to fit in there and will # > spare cracking the eggs in your groceries... ;) # > # > # > # > ----- # > ----------------------------------------------------------------- # > ------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ----------------------------------------------------------------- # > ------- # > # > # > On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Colucci B wrote: # > # > # Greetings To The XJ World! # > # # > # I have been pondering a new set of speakers for the 92 Chero. # > and wondering # > # if anybody has put anything larger then those putrid 4'' # > speakers in the rear # > # tail gate with any success. The key is I want to use the 4'' # > holes as a # > # starting point for the larger speakers so I do not have to do # > as much # > # fabrication work on the tail gate inner carpet covered, # > plastic face panel. # > # # > # So how much depth with the wiper motor and license plate # > inset do I have to # > # play with? Will a 6x9 speaker fit nicely in the tail gate, # > or maybe a larger # > # diameter round speaker? I would like to see some photos of # > those who might # > # have had success on this endeavor. # > # # > # # > # Until the next dimension, # > # Admiral "Coluch." # > # # > # # Jesse Barbieri # A+, Network+, MCP, MCDST # The Computer Works # (518) 755-9625 # Rosendale, NY 12472 # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:05:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: xj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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