From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Aug 7 10:58:23 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Friday, August 7 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3052 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Buying back a insurance claim car. Re: xj: Buying back a insurance claim car. Re: xj: Buying back a insurance claim car. Re: xj: Buying back a insurance claim car. Re: xj: Buying back a insurance claim car. Re: xj: Buying back a insurance claim car. XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:30:28 -0500 From: David Bierschank Subject: Re: xj: Buying back a insurance claim car. Yeah, they fond the Jeep almost three months after it was stolen. The police called me at 3:00am, telling me that they had recovered the Jeep. It had been driven into the front of a liquor store. The store had about a four foot tall wall with glass above that. It broke the glass above the wall and cracked the wall pretty good, but they did not make entry into the store. Good news was almost all my stuff was still in the Jeep and the insurance company allowed me to get all of it out because they did not pay me for those items. They broke the small window in the passenger side rear door, and punched the column, and stole the stereo. If you recall I was working on the Jeep when they stole it and had the thermostat and housing removed, so I figured they could not go far. I don't know if they fixed it and drove it for a while prior to there next crime or if they kept it parked for those three months. The insurance co was very fair in the settlement on both the value of the Jeep and they also paid me for the Yakima Rack that was on top. However they nor Coparts, would work with me on buying the whole Jeep or even just the rack off the top back. If anyone is interested in the Jeep I can provide a link to the auction, and I would be happy to buy the rack back from you to help off set the price of a basically rust free parts Jeep. Or it should be an easy fix for most of you guys if you wanted to put it back on the road. I can provide you guys with some photos and the Copart web site also has several good shots of the damage. So let me know if any of you want to try and work something out on this. The auction closed next Tuesday. David On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:47 PM, john wrote: > yes... actually not sure what company it was... but up here in WA state > you'll need to have it reinspected showing all the receipts for parts used, > but if you are using it for parts, nothing will be needed... just retain > the paperwork to recycle the remains... > > have purchased half dozen vehicles from insurance companies/auctions > before, not hard... > > so they found your rig? what happened to it? > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, David Bierschank wrote: > > # Anyone ever bought a car back with salvage title from Copart? My Jeep > that > # was stolen is going auction block at Copart. I was curious about the > # process. Don't know if it back but would like something back off the > # truck. The body is not too damaged... needs fenders and most grill > # parts..... hood is good. This Jeep had almost no rust..... what a > shame. > # > # David > # > - -- David Bierschank Help me in reaching my goal on the MS Bike Ride from Tulsa to Oklahoma City http://tinyurl.com/OKMS150DavidB okc67mustang-at-gmail.com dbier-at-att.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:32:20 -0500 From: David Bierschank Subject: Re: xj: Buying back a insurance claim car. I think you are right....about the license to bid. David On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Kevin wrote: > Copart IIRC requires you to have a dealer's or dismantler's license to bid. > > On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 05:00:29PM -0500, David Bierschank wrote: > > Anyone ever bought a car back with salvage title from Copart? My Jeep > that > > was stolen is going auction block at Copart. I was curious about the > > process. Don't know if it back but would like something back off the > > truck. The body is not too damaged... needs fenders and most grill > > parts..... hood is good. This Jeep had almost no rust..... what a shame. > - -- David Bierschank Help me in reaching my goal on the MS Bike Ride from Tulsa to Oklahoma City http://tinyurl.com/OKMS150DavidB okc67mustang-at-gmail.com dbier-at-att.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:34:34 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Buying back a insurance claim car. there may be state laws there that prohibit it... I just keep asking to speak to their managers and work my way up the chain until I either get solid legal code citation that prevents it or a yes. low level managers don't know, most people aren't like us... they drive their cars to get somewhere and trade them in when they need tires or an oil change... "oh my", "the fan belt is wearing out, that'll cost a fortune, let's trade the car in before we have a repair bill"... vs. what we are often dealing with here... :) another option is to talk to your state's insurance commissioner. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, David Bierschank wrote: # No, I ask three or four people at the insurance company, and all of them # told me no, which I thought was strange. # # David # # On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Christopher Wilson wrote: # # > The insurance company didn't give you the option to buy back the car? # > # > Every car that I've had that was totaled they gave me the option of buying # > it back.. # > # > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:00 PM, David Bierschank >wrote: # > # > > Anyone ever bought a car back with salvage title from Copart? My Jeep # > that # > > was stolen is going auction block at Copart. I was curious about the # > > process. Don't know if it back but would like something back off the # > > truck. The body is not too damaged... needs fenders and most grill # > > parts..... hood is good. This Jeep had almost no rust..... what a shame. # > > # > > David # > # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:50:35 -0500 From: David Bierschank Subject: Re: xj: Buying back a insurance claim car. It is probably just Coparts policy, but who knows.... it has a very corporate feel to it. I miss the old scrap yards, with good old boys behind a greasy counter. "Sure just go poke around and let me know if you need anything"..... I always find something that way. The new places, you almost have to have a part number and they radio to some guy in the yard to go get the part. Not fun at all. This place you walk in and there are a bunch of people sitting in cubes. Give them a lot number and they bring the Jeep around on a forklift so I could get my personal effects. Then I get a cold "NO" when I ask about buying the rack from them. I have a trunpike pass that is still in the Jeep. I am hoping I can contact them about it when the auction is over and have them pass my info to the person or company that buys it so they will contact me, then maybe I can go after the rack. I am all ready out the $ 30 for the replacement pass, but can get it back if I recover the old pass. We are a different lot of people. I will drive something till the wheels fall off, then put them back on with bailing wire if that is all I have laying around at the time. This reminds me John, you said something about selling off your 99 Cherokee, I think. Let me know what you want for it, when you are ready to sell... either on or off list. David On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:34 AM, john wrote: > there may be state laws there that prohibit it... I just > keep asking to speak to their managers and work my way > up the chain until I either get solid legal code citation > that prevents it or a yes. low level managers don't know, > most people aren't like us... they drive their cars to > get somewhere and trade them in when they need tires or > an oil change... "oh my", "the fan belt is wearing out, > that'll cost a fortune, let's trade the car in before we > have a repair bill"... vs. what we are often dealing with > here... :) > > another option is to talk to your state's insurance commissioner. > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Om Fri, 7 Aug 2009, David Bierschank wrote: > > # No, I ask three or four people at the insurance company, and all of them > # told me no, which I thought was strange. > # > # David > # > # On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Christopher Wilson >wrote: > # > # > The insurance company didn't give you the option to buy back the car? > # > > # > Every car that I've had that was totaled they gave me the option of > buying > # > it back.. > # > > # > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:00 PM, David Bierschank < > okc67mustang-at-gmail.com > # > >wrote: > # > > # > > Anyone ever bought a car back with salvage title from Copart? My > Jeep > # > that > # > > was stolen is going auction block at Copart. I was curious about the > # > > process. Don't know if it back but would like something back off > the > # > > truck. The body is not too damaged... needs fenders and most grill > # > > parts..... hood is good. This Jeep had almost no rust..... what a > shame. > # > > > # > > David > # > > # > # > # > # > - -- David Bierschank Help me in reaching my goal on the MS Bike Ride from Tulsa to Oklahoma City http://tinyurl.com/OKMS150DavidB okc67mustang-at-gmail.com dbier-at-att.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:46:42 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Buying back a insurance claim car. I've got a WA state business license, but I haven't been registered to bid since about 2001 or so... they moved way south of me up here... I'd check with the insurance commissioner... that was your property until they paid for it... you should have had the option to buy it back unless there are laws in your state that prohibit it. I don't see why there would be. It's mostly ignorance of the process at the insurance company. I've dealt with three or four companies up here to buy friend's vehicles from the insurance company and each time it varied but almost always took a couple levels of management for them to figure out they could do it. Most people do not want their damaged vehicles back, understandbly so. My first rule is that if my vehicle is in an accident, or if one should be stolen and recovered, once the police are done with it, it gets towed to my house. I don't care if it's a hunk of scrap metal... I don't want it in an impound lot... it's my property until I sign that check. Any accessories or aftermarket times I've added come off or are swapped with the stock parts. The insurance company is insuring a stock vehicle usually. They hope to recover their money at the auction so you can't pick parts off of it or make it less functional than it was from the accident. If the insurance company wants to inspect it they send the adjuster to my place or have the vehicle towed to their inspector and back, at their expense. We have rights as it is our property, don't let some clerk tell you otherwise. I'm thinking about having something written out to keep with my insurance paperwork in the glovebox so that if I'm in an accident and not able to express this info, the officers will see it and have the vehicle towed to my residence. Sorry to hear about the troubles... glad to hear they treated you fairly on the value and all that... what was the company? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, David Bierschank wrote: # I think you are right....about the license to bid. # # David # # On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Kevin wrote: # # > Copart IIRC requires you to have a dealer's or dismantler's license to bid. # > # > On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 05:00:29PM -0500, David Bierschank wrote: # > > Anyone ever bought a car back with salvage title from Copart? My Jeep # > that # > > was stolen is going auction block at Copart. I was curious about the # > > process. Don't know if it back but would like something back off the # > > truck. The body is not too damaged... needs fenders and most grill # > > parts..... hood is good. This Jeep had almost no rust..... what a shame. # > # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:58:08 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Buying back a insurance claim car. I'm going to try and sell the '86 cj-10a first to help offset the wedding costs... my daughter gets married in a few weeks... going to try and hold on for a while longer before we sell the '99 WJ Grand Cherokee, just spent $500 to get the axle bearings and seals replaced, book value with deducts for 160,000 miles is $5700. It's the best WJ we've had yet, 21 mpg on the freeway. I need to sell the cj-10a because of my allergies, in the warm, dry weather we've been having I can't be outside. :( I've taken to wearing a respirator while driving it... it's a blast to drive. Once it starts raining and clearing the air it'll be fine again. My '83 J10 stepside is being reassembled... hoping to get the SD33T out of that guy's scout in oregon and up to centralia so it can be installed during the reassembly so I don't have to do the swap later in the year... my daughter has a '97 cherokee country, it gets around 16 on their commute, not sure what they plan to do... they may sell it and get something more economical, but they enjoy driving it and have been using it to tow my trailer for dump runs during their townhouse remodel... I think they may end up keeping it... but if they sell I'll let the list know. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, David Bierschank wrote: # It is probably just Coparts policy, but who knows.... it has a very # corporate feel to it. I miss the old scrap yards, with good old boys behind # a greasy counter. "Sure just go poke around and let me know if you need # anything"..... I always find something that way. The new places, you almost # have to have a part number and they radio to some guy in the yard to go get # the part. Not fun at all. # # This place you walk in and there are a bunch of people sitting in cubes. # Give them a lot number and they bring the Jeep around on a forklift so I # could get my personal effects. Then I get a cold "NO" when I ask about # buying the rack from them. # # I have a trunpike pass that is still in the Jeep. I am hoping I can contact # them about it when the auction is over and have them pass my info to the # person or company that buys it so they will contact me, then maybe I can go # after the rack. I am all ready out the $ 30 for the replacement pass, but # can get it back if I recover the old pass. # # We are a different lot of people. I will drive something till the wheels # fall off, then put them back on with bailing wire if that is all I have # laying around at the time. # # This reminds me John, you said something about selling off your 99 Cherokee, # I think. Let me know what you want for it, when you are ready to sell... # either on or off list. # # David # # On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:34 AM, john wrote: # # > there may be state laws there that prohibit it... I just # > keep asking to speak to their managers and work my way # > up the chain until I either get solid legal code citation # > that prevents it or a yes. low level managers don't know, # > most people aren't like us... they drive their cars to # > get somewhere and trade them in when they need tires or # > an oil change... "oh my", "the fan belt is wearing out, # > that'll cost a fortune, let's trade the car in before we # > have a repair bill"... vs. what we are often dealing with # > here... :) # > # > another option is to talk to your state's insurance commissioner. # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > Om Fri, 7 Aug 2009, David Bierschank wrote: # > # > # No, I ask three or four people at the insurance company, and all of them # > # told me no, which I thought was strange. # > # # > # David # > # # > # On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Christopher Wilson >wrote: # > # # > # > The insurance company didn't give you the option to buy back the car? # > # > # > # > Every car that I've had that was totaled they gave me the option of # > buying # > # > it back.. # > # > # > # > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:00 PM, David Bierschank < # > okc67mustang-at-gmail.com # > # > >wrote: # > # > # > # > > Anyone ever bought a car back with salvage title from Copart? My # > Jeep # > # > that # > # > > was stolen is going auction block at Copart. I was curious about the # > # > > process. Don't know if it back but would like something back off # > the # > # > > truck. The body is not too damaged... needs fenders and most grill # > # > > parts..... hood is good. This Jeep had almost no rust..... what a # > shame. # > # > > # > # > > David # > # > # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # # # ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3052 *************************