From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Sep 17 13:33:38 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Thursday, September 17 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3076 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: My new tires 33/9.50/15 xj: RE: fsj: My new tires 33/9.50/15 xj: RE: fsj: My new tires 33/9.50/15 xj: RE: fsj: My new tires 33/9.50/15 Re: xj: RE: fsj: My new tires 33/9.50/15 XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:27:50 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: xj: My new tires 33/9.50/15 For what it's worth, the trail beater cherokee (a 93) sits on 33x10.5 BFG muds (the style before they went to KM2). They do fine in deep snow if you air them WAAY down. Oddly enough, that rig does better in deep snow than it does in shallow snow. Having a locker at both ends makes icy roads a little interesting at times. The landcruiser also sports a set of the same tires in the same size, changing from a 32x11.5. Haven't got a good read to see if the milage is any better o not, but the 32s were ATs, so I'm not expecting an increase. The muds on other rigs seemed to knock about 10% off the top due to air and rolling resistance. If you're dealing with very deep snow, the wider tires have a big advantage. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:09:35PM -0700, Jim Blair wrote: > I've been running the BFG 33/9.50/15s for the past 2 years and while they were > okay, I was a little disappointed with the winter traction. (but my Comanche > and other pick up are both pretty light in the back end and > 2wd)http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/images/ts-dl/tires/large/all-terrain-t-a-k > o.jpg > > I FINALLY found the same style tires I had before in 33/9.50/15 > http://www.lesschwab.com/tires/light_truck/large/sxtmt_lg.jpg > > They appear to be identical to the Safari MSRs I had before that lasted me > nearly 70,000 miles second hand and got me in and out of where my cabin is in > the dead of winter. These ones were made by Dean tire (Les Schwab carries > them) which I've had good luck with in the past. > Main thing I like is the skinny tire gets better fuel economy than the > wider ones (almost 20 mpg with the skinny ones, but it dropped to 14 mpg hwy > with the bigger ones) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:32:25 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: RE: fsj: My new tires 33/9.50/15 understand, and I agree with your size selection for the OD you're shooting for. I am NOT a big fan of wide treads on wet roads, or on snow... Contact Pressure is very important... I'd be very leery of les schwab tires though... try shopping at discount tire, not that les schwab aren't good stores, they have superb service, but their tires are, in my experince, of lesser quality... only tire I've ever blown out in 40 years of driving was a les schwab tire... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # I might look at other tires, but these are currently my only choice in this # size of tire. # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:26:43 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: Re: fsj: My new tires 33/9.50/15 # > # > that tread pattern might be a little noisier, but looks # > like it'll have better traction in snow... I would highly # > recommend getting those siped though. # > # > I gave up on BFG. non-ko BFG ATs needed to be siped for # > wet road... the ko series seem a lot harsher in ride quality... # > # > I am very happy with Bridgestones... have the Revo A/T's on my WJ # > and the Blizzaks on my cj-10a... my benz has yokohoma yk520 or something # > like that, also quite good. # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # I've been running the BFG 33/9.50/15s for the past 2 years and while they # were # > # okay, I was a little disappointed with the winter traction. (but my # Comanche # > # and other pick up are both pretty light in the back end and # > # # 2wd)http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/images/ts-dl/tires/large/all-terrain-t-a-k # > # o.jpg # > # # > # I FINALLY found the same style tires I had before in 33/9.50/15 # > # http://www.lesschwab.com/tires/light_truck/large/sxtmt_lg.jpg # > # # > # # > # They appear to be identical to the Safari MSRs I had before that lasted # me # > # nearly 70,000 miles second hand and got me in and out of where my cabin # is in # > # the dead of winter. These ones were made by Dean tire (Les Schwab # carries # > # them) which I've had good luck with in the past. # > # Main thing I like is the skinny tire gets better fuel economy than # the # > # wider ones (almost 20 mpg with the skinny ones, but it dropped to 14 mpg # hwy # > # with the bigger ones) # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. # > # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ # > # # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:35:11 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: RE: fsj: My new tires 33/9.50/15 I guess no-one told you that except for their house brand EVERYONE now carries pretty much the same tires? It's like comparing '80s Chev and Pontiac. Everything is the same under the cosmetics and nameplate now. Les Schwab's own tires have come a long ways from what they were. The tires don't need siping as they come factory with it now. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:32:25 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: xj-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: My new tires 33/9.50/15 > > understand, and I agree with your size selection for the OD you're shooting for. > > I am NOT a big fan of wide treads on wet roads, or on snow... Contact Pressure > is very important... > > I'd be very leery of les schwab tires though... try shopping at discount tire, > not that les schwab aren't good stores, they have superb service, but their > tires are, in my experince, of lesser quality... only tire I've ever blown out > in 40 years of driving was a les schwab tire... > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Jim Blair wrote: > > # I might look at other tires, but these are currently my only choice in this > # size of tire. > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # > # > # > # > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:26:43 -0700 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > # > Subject: Re: fsj: My new tires 33/9.50/15 > # > > # > that tread pattern might be a little noisier, but looks > # > like it'll have better traction in snow... I would highly > # > recommend getting those siped though. > # > > # > I gave up on BFG. non-ko BFG ATs needed to be siped for > # > wet road... the ko series seem a lot harsher in ride quality... > # > > # > I am very happy with Bridgestones... have the Revo A/T's on my WJ > # > and the Blizzaks on my cj-10a... my benz has yokohoma yk520 or something > # > like that, also quite good. > # > > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # > On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Jim Blair wrote: > # > > # > # I've been running the BFG 33/9.50/15s for the past 2 years and while they > # were > # > # okay, I was a little disappointed with the winter traction. (but my > # Comanche > # > # and other pick up are both pretty light in the back end and > # > # > # 2wd)http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/images/ts-dl/tires/large/all-terrain-t-a-k > # > # o.jpg > # > # > # > # I FINALLY found the same style tires I had before in 33/9.50/15 > # > # http://www.lesschwab.com/tires/light_truck/large/sxtmt_lg.jpg > # > # > # > # > # > # They appear to be identical to the Safari MSRs I had before that lasted > # me > # > # nearly 70,000 miles second hand and got me in and out of where my cabin > # is in > # > # the dead of winter. These ones were made by Dean tire (Les Schwab > # carries > # > # them) which I've had good luck with in the past. > # > # Main thing I like is the skinny tire gets better fuel economy than > # the > # > # wider ones (almost 20 mpg with the skinny ones, but it dropped to 14 mpg > # hwy > # > # with the bigger ones) > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # > # Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > # > # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ > # > # > # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ > # _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:42:36 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: RE: fsj: My new tires 33/9.50/15 that tread pattern clearly needs siping... and if I have my data correct, Toyo is who makes les schwab tires... all tires are NOT the same... they vary drastically and sadly even within a mfr. I've learned that some models are terrible, while others are good. The lists have helped me find the bridgestone revo a/t's, they are fantastic... never would have even considered them otherwise. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # # I guess no-one told you that except for their house brand EVERYONE now carries pretty much the same tires? It's like comparing '80s Chev and Pontiac. Everything is the same under the cosmetics and nameplate now. Les Schwab's own tires have come a long ways from what they were. The tires don't need siping as they come factory with it now. # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:32:25 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > CC: xj-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: My new tires 33/9.50/15 # > # > understand, and I agree with your size selection for the OD you're shooting for. # > # > I am NOT a big fan of wide treads on wet roads, or on snow... Contact Pressure # > is very important... # > # > I'd be very leery of les schwab tires though... try shopping at discount tire, # > not that les schwab aren't good stores, they have superb service, but their # > tires are, in my experince, of lesser quality... only tire I've ever blown out # > in 40 years of driving was a les schwab tire... # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # I might look at other tires, but these are currently my only choice in this # > # size of tire. # > # # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:26:43 -0700 # > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net # > # > Subject: Re: fsj: My new tires 33/9.50/15 # > # > # > # > that tread pattern might be a little noisier, but looks # > # > like it'll have better traction in snow... I would highly # > # > recommend getting those siped though. # > # > # > # > I gave up on BFG. non-ko BFG ATs needed to be siped for # > # > wet road... the ko series seem a lot harsher in ride quality... # > # > # > # > I am very happy with Bridgestones... have the Revo A/T's on my WJ # > # > and the Blizzaks on my cj-10a... my benz has yokohoma yk520 or something # > # > like that, also quite good. # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # > # > # > On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # > # > # I've been running the BFG 33/9.50/15s for the past 2 years and while they # > # were # > # > # okay, I was a little disappointed with the winter traction. (but my # > # Comanche # > # > # and other pick up are both pretty light in the back end and # > # > # # > # 2wd)http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/images/ts-dl/tires/large/all-terrain-t-a-k # > # > # o.jpg # > # > # # > # > # I FINALLY found the same style tires I had before in 33/9.50/15 # > # > # http://www.lesschwab.com/tires/light_truck/large/sxtmt_lg.jpg # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # They appear to be identical to the Safari MSRs I had before that lasted # > # me # > # > # nearly 70,000 miles second hand and got me in and out of where my cabin # > # is in # > # > # the dead of winter. These ones were made by Dean tire (Les Schwab # > # carries # > # > # them) which I've had good luck with in the past. # > # > # Main thing I like is the skinny tire gets better fuel economy than # > # the # > # > # wider ones (almost 20 mpg with the skinny ones, but it dropped to 14 mpg # > # hwy # > # > # with the bigger ones) # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # > # Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. # > # > # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ # > # > # # > # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:29:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: RE: fsj: My new tires 33/9.50/15 I enjoy a bargain and as such, I pulled the trigger on some Pro-comp tires at an online off-road shop. They had a bargain. Buy 3, get the 4th free with free shipping. So for about $350 I got 4 tires delivered to my house. Not bad. They drive nice too... quieter than my BFGs and much better traction too! In fact, once my BFGs wear down enough, I plan to replace them with a new set of Pro-comp tires. Ed web/gadget guru - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ By Richard Feynman, Physicist, Nobel winner (1918-1988) "There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." - --- On Thu, 9/17/09, john wrote: From: john Subject: xj: RE: fsj: My new tires 33/9.50/15 To: "Jim Blair" Cc: "xj" , "local Jeep list" Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 3:42 PM that tread pattern clearly needs siping... and if I have my data correct, Toyo is who makes les schwab tires... all tires are NOT the same... they vary drastically and sadly even within a mfr. I've learned that some models are terrible, while others are good. The lists have helped me find the bridgestone revo a/t's, they are fantastic... never would have even considered them otherwise. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # # I guess no-one told you that except for their house brand EVERYONE now carries pretty much the same tires? It's like comparing '80s Chev and Pontiac. Everything is the same under the cosmetics and nameplate now. Les Schwab's own tires have come a long ways from what they were. The tires don't need siping as they come factory with it now. # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:32:25 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > CC: xj-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: My new tires 33/9.50/15 # > # > understand, and I agree with your size selection for the OD you're shooting for. # > # > I am NOT a big fan of wide treads on wet roads, or on snow... Contact Pressure # > is very important... # > # > I'd be very leery of les schwab tires though... try shopping at discount tire, # > not that les schwab aren't good stores, they have superb service, but their # > tires are, in my experince, of lesser quality... only tire I've ever blown out # > in 40 years of driving was a les schwab tire... # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # I might look at other tires, but these are currently my only choice in this # > # size of tire. # > # # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:26:43 -0700 # > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net # > # > Subject: Re: fsj: My new tires 33/9.50/15 # > # > # > # > that tread pattern might be a little noisier, but looks # > # > like it'll have better traction in snow... I would highly # > # > recommend getting those siped though. # > # > # > # > I gave up on BFG. non-ko BFG ATs needed to be siped for # > # > wet road... the ko series seem a lot harsher in ride quality... # > # > # > # > I am very happy with Bridgestones... have the Revo A/T's on my WJ # > # > and the Blizzaks on my cj-10a... my benz has yokohoma yk520 or something # > # > like that, also quite good. # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # > # > # > On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # > # > # I've been running the BFG 33/9.50/15s for the past 2 years and while they # > # were # > # > # okay, I was a little disappointed with the winter traction. (but my # > # Comanche # > # > # and other pick up are both pretty light in the back end and # > # > # # > # 2wd)http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/images/ts-dl/tires/large/all-terrain-t-a-k # > # > # o.jpg # > # > # # > # > # I FINALLY found the same style tires I had before in 33/9.50/15 # > # > # http://www.lesschwab.com/tires/light_truck/large/sxtmt_lg.jpg # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # They appear to be identical to the Safari MSRs I had before that lasted # > # me # > # > # nearly 70,000 miles second hand and got me in and out of where my cabin # > # is in # > # > # the dead of winter. These ones were made by Dean tire (Les Schwab # > # carries # > # > # them) which I've had good luck with in the past. # > # > # Main thing I like is the skinny tire gets better fuel economy than # > # the # > # > # wider ones (almost 20 mpg with the skinny ones, but it dropped to 14 mpg # > # hwy # > # > # with the bigger ones) # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # > # Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. # > # > # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ # > # > # # > # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3076 *************************