From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Sep 21 13:19:57 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Monday, September 21 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3079 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Re: 2001 AC question Re: xj: Re: 2001 AC question Re: xj: Re: 2001 AC question xj: OT KW question xj: Re: OT KW question Re: xj: OT WK question Re: xj: Main vents not working XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:26:58 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: 2001 AC question the dash isn't as terrifying as it looks... I've had a couple apart so far... not eager to do it again, but not as bad as one might think... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, David Bierschank wrote: # Bob, # # If you could email me off list with your phone number, I would like to talk # to you about this. Or you can call me at work 800-654-9263. # This is the Atc dual temp set up. # # It seems to be a bit of a daunting task, the idea of removing the dash. I # looked up the process on wjjeeps and I am not sure I want to do that myself, # but I bet I would save a lot of money doing it myself. I have not bought # this Jeep yet, so it might be better to walk away. It is just that this one # is very nice outside of this one issue, and appears to be priced right. # # I plan on running the ac diagnostic on it to make sure this is what the # trouble is. It could also, from what I saw last night, just be the actuator # motor, which is just behind the glove box and would be an easy fix. # # # David # # On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Bob wrote: # # > David, # > # > Very common. We've done hundreds of them at the dealership. # > There is a TSB that addresses this problem specifically. # > If it is "ATC" (auto-temperature control) it requires two revised housings # > (and if actuators have burned out from jammed doors, then those too). The # > housings replace the originals (which warp and jam) and come with doors # > installed. # > If manual temp., it usually requires one housing. # > The whole dash must be removed to do this. # > If you call me at work tomorrow I can give you specific part #'s and # > Chrysler's prices....then you can Google the numbers and buy the parts on # > the web! # > # > PartsBob Squarepants in CT # > # > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bierschank" < # > okc67mustang-at-gmail.com> # > To: "Digest XJ" # > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 12:01 PM # > Subject: xj: 2001 AC question # > # > # > I am looking at buying an 2001 Grand Cherokee Limited v8 quadra drive. # >> Everything is very nice and clean with this Jeep and it drives very well. # >> The only "known" issue is with the A/C. # >> # >> It has the dual climate controls. The issue is the A/C blows nice and # >> cool # >> on the passenger side, but the drivers side is like the heater is on. I # >> know on the older cars there was a heater control valve that would rust # >> and # >> get stuck and would cause a similar issue an easy fix, but I am not sure # >> how # >> this system works. Am I on the right track here? # >> # >> I would think there is a solenoid that controls a gate on the ac for that # >> side. Is that correct? Is it something that is fairly easy to repair # >> myself, or is a dealer job? # >> If I can repair myself what parts am I looking for and expected cost? # >> Anyone have a link to some photos or write up on the procedure? # >> # >> If it is a dealer job, anyone know what a fair price is for this repair? # >> # >> I need this info, so that I can make a decision on this Jeep or just keep # >> looking. I like everything about this particular truck, I just have this # >> one issue that is making hesitate on this Jeep. # >> # >> Thanks for any help or info you can provide..... # >> # >> -- # >> David Bierschank # >> Help me in reaching my goal on the MS Bike Ride from Tulsa to Oklahoma # >> City # >> http://tinyurl.com/OKMS150DavidB # >> # >> okc67mustang-at-gmail.com # >> # > # # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:30:30 -0500 From: David Bierschank Subject: Re: xj: Re: 2001 AC question I am also finding some fixes on the internet the you can do through the glove box.... .seem interesting, but just not sure about the quality of the solution. David On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:26 PM, john wrote: > the dash isn't as terrifying as it looks... I've had a couple > apart so far... not eager to do it again, but not as bad > as one might think... > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, David Bierschank wrote: > > # Bob, > # > # If you could email me off list with your phone number, I would like to > talk > # to you about this. Or you can call me at work 800-654-9263. > # This is the Atc dual temp set up. > # > # It seems to be a bit of a daunting task, the idea of removing the dash. > I > # looked up the process on wjjeeps and I am not sure I want to do that > myself, > # but I bet I would save a lot of money doing it myself. I have not > bought > # this Jeep yet, so it might be better to walk away. It is just that this > one > # is very nice outside of this one issue, and appears to be priced right. > # > # I plan on running the ac diagnostic on it to make sure this is what the > # trouble is. It could also, from what I saw last night, just be the > actuator > # motor, which is just behind the glove box and would be an easy fix. > # > # > # David > # > # On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Bob wrote: > # > # > David, > # > > # > Very common. We've done hundreds of them at the dealership. > # > There is a TSB that addresses this problem specifically. > # > If it is "ATC" (auto-temperature control) it requires two revised > housings > # > (and if actuators have burned out from jammed doors, then those too). > The > # > housings replace the originals (which warp and jam) and come with > doors > # > installed. > # > If manual temp., it usually requires one housing. > # > The whole dash must be removed to do this. > # > If you call me at work tomorrow I can give you specific part #'s and > # > Chrysler's prices....then you can Google the numbers and buy the parts > on > # > the web! > # > > # > PartsBob Squarepants in CT > # > > # > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bierschank" < > # > okc67mustang-at-gmail.com> > # > To: "Digest XJ" > # > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 12:01 PM > # > Subject: xj: 2001 AC question > # > > # > > # > I am looking at buying an 2001 Grand Cherokee Limited v8 quadra > drive. > # >> Everything is very nice and clean with this Jeep and it drives very > well. > # >> The only "known" issue is with the A/C. > # >> > # >> It has the dual climate controls. The issue is the A/C blows nice > and > # >> cool > # >> on the passenger side, but the drivers side is like the heater is on. > I > # >> know on the older cars there was a heater control valve that would > rust > # >> and > # >> get stuck and would cause a similar issue an easy fix, but I am not > sure > # >> how > # >> this system works. Am I on the right track here? > # >> > # >> I would think there is a solenoid that controls a gate on the ac for > that > # >> side. Is that correct? Is it something that is fairly easy to > repair > # >> myself, or is a dealer job? > # >> If I can repair myself what parts am I looking for and expected cost? > # >> Anyone have a link to some photos or write up on the procedure? > # >> > # >> If it is a dealer job, anyone know what a fair price is for this > repair? > # >> > # >> I need this info, so that I can make a decision on this Jeep or just > keep > # >> looking. I like everything about this particular truck, I just have > this > # >> one issue that is making hesitate on this Jeep. > # >> > # >> Thanks for any help or info you can provide..... > # >> > # >> -- > # >> David Bierschank > # >> Help me in reaching my goal on the MS Bike Ride from Tulsa to > Oklahoma > # >> City > # >> http://tinyurl.com/OKMS150DavidB > # >> > # >> okc67mustang-at-gmail.com > # >> > # > > # > # > # > - -- David Bierschank Help me in reaching my goal on the MS Bike Ride from Tulsa to Oklahoma City http://tinyurl.com/OKMS150DavidB okc67mustang-at-gmail.com dbier-at-att.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:43:24 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: 2001 AC question find a flat rate manual, see what kind of time they estimate... I've done the heater core on a Ford Taurus before... flat rate estimated around 8 hrs... that was if you had all the tools and had done it before... it was a miserable job... a mechanic friend had to make a house call to help me get the a/c disconnected to do the swap... ridiculous configuration... the heater core was at a low point in the system and made out of plastic... suspect the WJ heater core will be less trouble, but still more difficult than an old full size jeep... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, David Bierschank wrote: # I am also finding some fixes on the internet the you can do through the # glove box.... .seem interesting, but just not sure about the quality of the # solution. # # David # # On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:26 PM, john wrote: # # > the dash isn't as terrifying as it looks... I've had a couple # > apart so far... not eager to do it again, but not as bad # > as one might think... # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, David Bierschank wrote: # > # > # Bob, # > # # > # If you could email me off list with your phone number, I would like to # > talk # > # to you about this. Or you can call me at work 800-654-9263. # > # This is the Atc dual temp set up. # > # # > # It seems to be a bit of a daunting task, the idea of removing the dash. # > I # > # looked up the process on wjjeeps and I am not sure I want to do that # > myself, # > # but I bet I would save a lot of money doing it myself. I have not # > bought # > # this Jeep yet, so it might be better to walk away. It is just that this # > one # > # is very nice outside of this one issue, and appears to be priced right. # > # # > # I plan on running the ac diagnostic on it to make sure this is what the # > # trouble is. It could also, from what I saw last night, just be the # > actuator # > # motor, which is just behind the glove box and would be an easy fix. # > # # > # # > # David # > # # > # On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Bob wrote: # > # # > # > David, # > # > # > # > Very common. We've done hundreds of them at the dealership. # > # > There is a TSB that addresses this problem specifically. # > # > If it is "ATC" (auto-temperature control) it requires two revised # > housings # > # > (and if actuators have burned out from jammed doors, then those too). # > The # > # > housings replace the originals (which warp and jam) and come with # > doors # > # > installed. # > # > If manual temp., it usually requires one housing. # > # > The whole dash must be removed to do this. # > # > If you call me at work tomorrow I can give you specific part #'s and # > # > Chrysler's prices....then you can Google the numbers and buy the parts # > on # > # > the web! # > # > # > # > PartsBob Squarepants in CT # > # > # > # > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bierschank" < # > # > okc67mustang-at-gmail.com> # > # > To: "Digest XJ" # > # > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 12:01 PM # > # > Subject: xj: 2001 AC question # > # > # > # > # > # > I am looking at buying an 2001 Grand Cherokee Limited v8 quadra # > drive. # > # >> Everything is very nice and clean with this Jeep and it drives very # > well. # > # >> The only "known" issue is with the A/C. # > # >> # > # >> It has the dual climate controls. The issue is the A/C blows nice # > and # > # >> cool # > # >> on the passenger side, but the drivers side is like the heater is on. # > I # > # >> know on the older cars there was a heater control valve that would # > rust # > # >> and # > # >> get stuck and would cause a similar issue an easy fix, but I am not # > sure # > # >> how # > # >> this system works. Am I on the right track here? # > # >> # > # >> I would think there is a solenoid that controls a gate on the ac for # > that # > # >> side. Is that correct? Is it something that is fairly easy to # > repair # > # >> myself, or is a dealer job? # > # >> If I can repair myself what parts am I looking for and expected cost? # > # >> Anyone have a link to some photos or write up on the procedure? # > # >> # > # >> If it is a dealer job, anyone know what a fair price is for this # > repair? # > # >> # > # >> I need this info, so that I can make a decision on this Jeep or just # > keep # > # >> looking. I like everything about this particular truck, I just have # > this # > # >> one issue that is making hesitate on this Jeep. # > # >> # > # >> Thanks for any help or info you can provide..... # > # >> # > # >> -- # > # >> David Bierschank # > # >> Help me in reaching my goal on the MS Bike Ride from Tulsa to # > Oklahoma # > # >> City # > # >> http://tinyurl.com/OKMS150DavidB # > # >> # > # >> okc67mustang-at-gmail.com # > # >> # > # > # > # # > # # > # # > # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:14:11 -0600 From: "Andeanfx" Subject: xj: OT KW question I recently peeked out from under my cabbage leaf and saw that Jeep put the Mercedes diesel in the Grand Cherokee in '07 and '08. I am very interested in buying one for my wife and would like to know if there are any particular issues to be aware of especially with either the Limited or Overland versions. Other than a few whistles and bells the main difference between these two seems to be the transmission and t-case. I am getting fairly familiar with the later SJ's but don't know much about the newer Grand Cherokees so any input is welcome. Thanks Dean Be yourself. Everyone else is already taken. - Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:36:53 -0400 From: "Don Hansen" Subject: xj: Re: OT KW question Ah, Oscar Wilde... His last words were, "Either this wall paper goes or I do!" Apparently no one had a putty knife and warm, soapy water....! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andeanfx" To: Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 3:14 PM Subject: xj: OT KW question >I recently peeked out from under my cabbage leaf and saw that Jeep put the >Mercedes diesel in the Grand Cherokee in '07 and '08. I am very interested >in buying one for my wife and would like to know if there are any >particular issues to be aware of especially with either the Limited or >Overland versions. Other than a few whistles and bells the main >difference between these two seems to be the transmission and t-case. I am >getting fairly familiar with the later SJ's but don't know much about the >newer Grand Cherokees so any input is welcome. Thanks Dean > > > Be yourself. Everyone else is already taken. - Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:53:57 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: OT WK question the WK model has independent front suspension (think ugly Jeep Liberty) visibility is less than a WJ because of lowered roof line... two issues I can live with in the grand scheme of things... otherwise, test drove an '08 with the 3.0L CRD... if it weren't for the $28k price tag on the windshield, it was a fine Jeep and am waiting for the prices to come down... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Andeanfx wrote: # I recently peeked out from under my cabbage leaf and saw that Jeep put the # Mercedes diesel in the Grand Cherokee in '07 and '08. I am very interested # in buying one for my wife and would like to know if there are any particular # issues to be aware of especially with either the Limited or Overland # versions. Other than a few whistles and bells the main difference between # these two seems to be the transmission and t-case. I am getting fairly # familiar with the later SJ's but don't know much about the newer Grand # Cherokees so any input is welcome. Thanks Dean # # # Be yourself. Everyone else is already taken. - Oscar Wilde # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:15:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: Main vents not working On my 89 Wagoneer LTD, there is a vacuum canister behind the bumper on the right (passenger) side...and I do mean, right behind...the bumper. Almost inside the bumper it's so close! Check lines going into and out of that canister, they are the hard plastic lines and they break very easily. ed web/gadget guru - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ By Richard Feynman, Physicist, Nobel winner (1918-1988) "There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." - --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Marc Z wrote: From: Marc Z Subject: xj: Main vents not working To: "XJ List" Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 11:42 AM Hello Everyone, On my '89 XJ Laredo, the main vents no longer work, as in no air coming out from them. Is this wire controlled or vacuum controlled? I'm wondering if I incorrectly hooked up the connections at the vacuum tank after my camo paint job.... I did test the 4 wheel drive lever as the vacuum drives the front axle linkage and that works fine. Any ideas? Thanks, Marc Z in NC. ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3079 *************************