From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Sep 22 13:36:25 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Tuesday, September 22 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3080 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Main vents not working Re: xj: Main vents not working xj: Re: Re: FW: ham cars Re: xj: Re: Re: FW: ham cars Re: xj: Main vents not working Re: xj: Re: Re: FW: ham cars xj: hold the start button for three seconds? Re: xj: hold the start button for three seconds? XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:35:05 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Main vents not working there are complete vacuum line kits available for the XJs, have even found them at schucks... affordable too... very nice. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Ed Kummel wrote: # On my 89 Wagoneer LTD, there is a vacuum canister behind the bumper on the # right (passenger) side...and I do mean, right behind...the bumper. Almost # inside the bumper it's so close! Check lines going into and out of that # canister, they are the hard plastic lines and they break very easily. # ed # web/gadget guru # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # By Richard Feynman, Physicist, Nobel winner (1918-1988) # # # "There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's # only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call # them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." # # --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Marc Z wrote: # # From: Marc Z # Subject: xj: Main vents not working # To: "XJ List" # Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 11:42 AM # # Hello Everyone, # # On my '89 XJ Laredo, the main vents no longer work, as in no air coming out # from them. Is this wire controlled or vacuum controlled? I'm wondering if I # incorrectly hooked up the connections at the vacuum tank after my camo paint # job.... I did test the 4 wheel drive lever as the vacuum drives the front # axle linkage and that works fine. # # Any ideas? # # Thanks, Marc Z in NC. # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:49:59 -0400 From: Marc Z Subject: Re: xj: Main vents not working Thanks all for the replies concerning the vents. When I reinstalled the bumper, I did reconnect the lines but I'll need to recheck them. As Ed has said, I may have broken one of the hard plastic lines..... I'll check on the kit. Marc Z in NC. john wrote: > there are complete vacuum line kits available for the XJs, have > even found them at schucks... affordable too... very nice. > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Ed Kummel wrote: > > # On my 89 Wagoneer LTD, there is a vacuum canister behind the bumper on the > # right (passenger) side...and I do mean, right behind...the bumper. Almost > # inside the bumper it's so close! Check lines going into and out of that > # canister, they are the hard plastic lines and they break very easily. > # ed > # web/gadget guru > # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # By Richard Feynman, Physicist, Nobel winner (1918-1988) > # > # > # "There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's > # only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call > # them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." > # > # --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Marc Z wrote: > # > # From: Marc Z > # Subject: xj: Main vents not working > # To: "XJ List" > # Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 11:42 AM > # > # Hello Everyone, > # > # On my '89 XJ Laredo, the main vents no longer work, as in no air coming out > # from them. Is this wire controlled or vacuum controlled? I'm wondering if I > # incorrectly hooked up the connections at the vacuum tank after my camo paint > # job.... I did test the 4 wheel drive lever as the vacuum drives the front > # axle linkage and that works fine. > # > # Any ideas? > # > # Thanks, Marc Z in NC. > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:11:00 -0500 From: "Bob" Subject: xj: Re: Re: FW: ham cars I'm a ham, and I love radios and antennas, but THAT is just silly..... Of course my neighbors probably feel the same about the three towers covered in antennas on my roof..... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: xj: Re: FW: ham cars > and y'all thought I was nuts for wanting two CBs (one with a WX band), > and a stereo in my J10. > > check this out: > http://www.jtrg.org/Photoalbum/Members/AF4KK/AF4KK-Project%20Car/index.html > > :) > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, David Ashby wrote: > > # John, > # > # > # > # I doubt if the J-100 ever looked like this ;) > # > # > # > # Dave > # > # > # > # _____ > # > # > # > # Here's what is meant by the word, "mobile." > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > http://www.jtrg.org/Photoalbum/Members/AF4KK/AF4KK-Project%20Car/index.html > # > # > # > # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:21:46 -0700 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: FW: ham cars (i didn't see this the first time around since anything addressed to "" goes straight to the trash,...) that's pretty darn silly,... note that at least some of those radios aren't even hooked up to anything, and are apparently there just for show. an 'Art Car' of sorts? cheers/73! e n6zes Bob wrote: > I'm a ham, and I love radios and antennas, but THAT is just silly..... > > Of course my neighbors probably feel the same about the three towers > covered in antennas on my roof..... > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:45 AM > Subject: xj: Re: FW: ham cars > > >> and y'all thought I was nuts for wanting two CBs (one with a WX band), >> and a stereo in my J10. >> >> check this out: >> http://www.jtrg.org/Photoalbum/Members/AF4KK/AF4KK-Project%20Car/index.html >> >> >> :) >> >> john >> >> ----- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org >> http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, David Ashby wrote: >> >> # John, >> # >> # >> # >> # I doubt if the J-100 ever looked like this ;) >> # >> # >> # >> # Dave >> # >> # >> # >> # _____ >> # >> # >> # >> # Here's what is meant by the word, "mobile." >> # >> # >> # >> # >> # >> # >> # >> http://www.jtrg.org/Photoalbum/Members/AF4KK/AF4KK-Project%20Car/index.html >> >> # >> # >> # >> # >> # >> # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:28:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Main vents not working the kit from the canister back around to the firewall is dealer only... if they still have it... the other two harnesses for emissions are at shuck's, etc. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Marc Z wrote: # Thanks all for the replies concerning the vents. When I reinstalled the # bumper, I did reconnect the lines but I'll need to recheck them. # As Ed has said, I may have broken one of the hard plastic lines..... I'll # check on the kit. # # Marc Z in NC. # # # john wrote: # > there are complete vacuum line kits available for the XJs, have # > even found them at schucks... affordable too... very nice. # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Ed Kummel wrote: # > # > # On my 89 Wagoneer LTD, there is a vacuum canister behind the bumper on # > # the # > # right (passenger) side...and I do mean, right behind...the bumper. Almost # > # inside the bumper it's so close! Check lines going into and out of that # > # canister, they are the hard plastic lines and they break very easily. # > # ed # > # web/gadget guru # > # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # > # By Richard Feynman, Physicist, Nobel winner (1918-1988) # > # # > # # > # "There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But # > # it's # > # only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to # > # call # > # them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." # > # # > # --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Marc Z wrote: # > # # > # From: Marc Z # > # Subject: xj: Main vents not working # > # To: "XJ List" # > # Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 11:42 AM # > # # > # Hello Everyone, # > # # > # On my '89 XJ Laredo, the main vents no longer work, as in no air coming # > # out # > # from them. Is this wire controlled or vacuum controlled? I'm wondering # > # if I # > # incorrectly hooked up the connections at the vacuum tank after my camo # > # paint # > # job.... I did test the 4 wheel drive lever as the vacuum drives the # > # front # > # axle linkage and that works fine. # > # # > # Any ideas? # > # # > # Thanks, Marc Z in NC. # > # # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:28:58 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: FW: ham cars only three? :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Bob wrote: # I'm a ham, and I love radios and antennas, but THAT is just silly..... # # Of course my neighbors probably feel the same about the three towers covered # in antennas on my roof..... # # ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" # To: # Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:45 AM # Subject: xj: Re: FW: ham cars # # # > and y'all thought I was nuts for wanting two CBs (one with a WX band), # > and a stereo in my J10. # > # > check this out: # > http://www.jtrg.org/Photoalbum/Members/AF4KK/AF4KK-Project%20Car/index.html # > # > :) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, David Ashby wrote: # > # > # John, # > # # > # # > # # > # I doubt if the J-100 ever looked like this ;) # > # # > # # > # # > # Dave # > # # > # # > # # > # _____ # > # # > # # > # # > # Here's what is meant by the word, "mobile." # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # > http://www.jtrg.org/Photoalbum/Members/AF4KK/AF4KK-Project%20Car/index.html # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:14:54 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: hold the start button for three seconds? the deadly crash of a Lexus could have been avoided had the off-duty state trooper known to hold the START button for three seconds... better question is why didn't he just put it in neutral??? Was he afraid he'd damage the engine, or did the computer override his intentions like an Airbus? when I hear of people crashing because the throttle sticks I can't help but wonder why they didn't THINK... turn car off, put it in neutral, sideswipe a guard rail... how hard can it be??? oh no, let's all scream like little girls and go out in a ball of fire... If this isn't the case, then these cars should be outlawed... because there was an experienced trooper at the helm I can't wonder if the Lexus has a serious design flaw... john http://www.leftlanenews.com/mismatched-floor-mat-implicated-in-catastrophic-lexus-crash.html Mismatched floor mat implicated in catastrophic Lexus crash 09/17/2009, 2:01 PM By Nick Aziz A fatal unintended acceleration incident involving a 2009 Lexus ES just over two weeks ago might have been the result of a mismatched floor mat, investigators have announced. The revelation has prompted Toyota to order all 1,400 dealers to ensure all of their vehicles have proper mats. The accident, which took place on August 28th, left the driver, off-duty California Highway Patrol Officer Mark Saylor, dead, along with his wife, Cleofe, their daughter, Mahala, and Saylor.s brother-in-law, Chris Lastrella. The heartbreaking story began with a call to police about a minute before the crash, with Saylor.s passenger indicating the vehicle.s brakes were not responding and the accelerator was stuck. The call ends with one of the male occupants directing the others to .hold on and pray,. followed by a woman.s scream. Police say the car reached a speed o 120 mph before it clipped an SUV and launched over and embankment, bursting into flames. Investigators with the NHTSA say the car, which was a loaner from a dealership, had a driver.s side rubber all-weather that was too long. It was from a model other than the ES. It is believed the mat interfered with the accelerator and brake pedals. Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons told the Associated Press the driver could have turned off the car by holding its start button for three seconds. However, this would have resulted in a loss of power steering and power-assist to the brakes. Alternatively, the driver could have shifted the car to neutral when the unintended acceleration began. It.s unclear if some other problem prevented this from happening. Ironically, Toyota recalled Camry and Lexus ES all-weather mats in 2007 after complaints about jammed accelerators. However, the car involved in the crash was not equipped with these mats, but rather mats from another car. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:31:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: hold the start button for three seconds? There was a similar incident in Japan several years ago where a drive-by-wire Toyota bus unexpectedly accelerated and careened into into a jersey wall during the evening commute traffic. Nobody was injured but the bus driver said that the brakes and the shifter did not work. After investigating this, it was determined that the drive-by-wire system in the Toyota bus was prone to interference from external radio sources. In this case, it was an unlicensed CB radio in the area that was transmitting at a higher power than normal. Toyota mitigated this interference issue by using additional shielding and in some cases utilizing fiber optic connections for the brakes and other critical components... Makes me wonder how many of these fly-by-wire issues affected the Lexus? Ed web/gadget guru - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ By Richard Feynman, Physicist, Nobel winner (1918-1988) "There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." - --- On Tue, 9/22/09, john wrote: From: john Subject: xj: hold the start button for three seconds? To: Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 3:14 PM the deadly crash of a Lexus could have been avoided had the off-duty state trooper known to hold the START button for three seconds... better question is why didn't he just put it in neutral??? Was he afraid he'd damage the engine, or did the computer override his intentions like an Airbus? when I hear of people crashing because the throttle sticks I can't help but wonder why they didn't THINK... turn car off, put it in neutral, sideswipe a guard rail... how hard can it be??? oh no, let's all scream like little girls and go out in a ball of fire... If this isn't the case, then these cars should be outlawed... because there was an experienced trooper at the helm I can't wonder if the Lexus has a serious design flaw... john http://www.leftlanenews.com/mismatched-floor-mat-implicated-in-catastrophic-l exus-crash.html Mismatched floor mat implicated in catastrophic Lexus crash 09/17/2009, 2:01 PM By Nick Aziz A fatal unintended acceleration incident involving a 2009 Lexus ES just over two weeks ago might have been the result of a mismatched floor mat, investigators have announced. The revelation has prompted Toyota to order all 1,400 dealers to ensure all of their vehicles have proper mats. The accident, which took place on August 28th, left the driver, off-duty California Highway Patrol Officer Mark Saylor, dead, along with his wife, Cleofe, their daughter, Mahala, and Saylor.s brother-in-law, Chris Lastrella. The heartbreaking story began with a call to police about a minute before the crash, with Saylor.s passenger indicating the vehicle.s brakes were not responding and the accelerator was stuck. The call ends with one of the male occupants directing the others to .hold on and pray,. followed by a woman.s scream. Police say the car reached a speed o 120 mph before it clipped an SUV and launched over and embankment, bursting into flames. Investigators with the NHTSA say the car, which was a loaner from a dealership, had a driver.s side rubber all-weather that was too long. It was from a model other than the ES. It is believed the mat interfered with the accelerator and brake pedals. Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons told the Associated Press the driver could have turned off the car by holding its start button for three seconds. However, this would have resulted in a loss of power steering and power-assist to the brakes. Alternatively, the driver could have shifted the car to neutral when the unintended acceleration began. It.s unclear if some other problem prevented this from happening. Ironically, Toyota recalled Camry and Lexus ES all-weather mats in 2007 after complaints about jammed accelerators. However, the car involved in the crash was not equipped with these mats, but rather mats from another car. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3080 *************************