From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Sep 24 16:23:13 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Thursday, September 24 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3081 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: hold the start button for three seconds? xj: Re: fsj: Re: FW: ham cars Re: xj: Re: fsj: Re: FW: ham cars RE: xj: Re: fsj: Re: FW: ham cars RE: xj: Re: fsj: Re: FW: ham cars xj: testing your O2 sensor and TPS xj: Re: fsj: C4C list XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:39:27 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: hold the start button for three seconds? wonder if the officer had a radio with him? ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Ed Kummel wrote: # There was a similar incident in Japan several years ago where a drive-by-wire # Toyota bus unexpectedly accelerated and careened into into a jersey wall # during the evening commute traffic. Nobody was injured but the bus driver said # that the brakes and the shifter did not work. After investigating this, it was # determined that the drive-by-wire system in the Toyota bus was prone to # interference from external radio sources. In this case, it was an unlicensed # CB radio in the area that was transmitting at a higher power than normal. # Toyota mitigated this interference issue by using additional shielding and in # some cases utilizing fiber optic connections for the brakes and other critical # components... # # Makes me wonder how many of these fly-by-wire issues affected the Lexus? # Ed # web/gadget guru # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # By Richard Feynman, Physicist, Nobel winner (1918-1988) # # # "There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's # only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call # them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." # # --- On Tue, 9/22/09, john wrote: # # From: john # Subject: xj: hold the start button for three seconds? # To: # Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 3:14 PM # # the deadly crash of a Lexus could have been avoided had the off-duty state # trooper # known to hold the START button for three seconds... better question is why # didn't # he just put it in neutral??? Was he afraid he'd damage the engine, or did the # computer # override his intentions like an Airbus? # # # when I hear of people crashing because the throttle sticks I can't help but # wonder # why they didn't THINK... turn car off, put it in neutral, sideswipe a guard # rail... how # hard can it be??? oh no, let's all scream like little girls and go out in a # ball of fire... # # If this isn't the case, then these cars should be outlawed... because there # was an # experienced trooper at the helm I can't wonder if the Lexus has a serious # design flaw... # # john # # # http://www.leftlanenews.com/mismatched-floor-mat-implicated-in-catastrophic-l # exus-crash.html # # # Mismatched floor mat implicated in catastrophic Lexus crash # 09/17/2009, 2:01 PM # By Nick Aziz # # A fatal unintended acceleration incident involving a 2009 Lexus ES just over # two weeks ago might have been the result of a mismatched floor mat, # investigators have announced. The revelation has prompted Toyota to order all # 1,400 dealers to ensure all of their vehicles have proper mats. # # The accident, which took place on August 28th, left the driver, off-duty # California Highway Patrol Officer Mark Saylor, dead, along with his wife, # Cleofe, their daughter, Mahala, and Saylor.s brother-in-law, Chris Lastrella. # # The heartbreaking story began with a call to police about a minute before the # crash, with Saylor.s passenger indicating the vehicle.s brakes were not # responding and the accelerator was stuck. The call ends with one of the male # occupants directing the others to .hold on and pray,. followed by a woman.s # scream. # # Police say the car reached a speed o 120 mph before it clipped an SUV and # launched over and embankment, bursting into flames. # # Investigators with the NHTSA say the car, which was a loaner from a # dealership, had a driver.s side rubber all-weather that was too long. It was # from a model other than the ES. It is believed the mat interfered with the # accelerator and brake pedals. # # Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons told the Associated Press the driver could have # turned off the car by holding its start button for three seconds. However, # this would have resulted in a loss of power steering and power-assist to the # brakes. Alternatively, the driver could have shifted the car to neutral when # the unintended acceleration began. It.s unclear if some other problem # prevented this from happening. # # Ironically, Toyota recalled Camry and Lexus ES all-weather mats in 2007 after # complaints about jammed accelerators. However, the car involved in the crash # was not equipped with these mats, but rather mats from another car. # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:39:30 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: Re: fsj: Re: FW: ham cars I just want a factory AM/FM/CB and I'll be happy! Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: FW: ham cars and y'all thought I was nuts for wanting two CBs (one with a WX band), and a stereo in my J10. check this out: http://www.jtrg.org/Photoalbum/Members/AF4KK/AF4KK-Project%20Car/index.html :) john _________________________________________________________________ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing^Y now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:57:21 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Re: FW: ham cars that comes with an 8-track ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # I just want a factory AM/FM/CB and I'll be happy! # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # From: john # Subject: fsj: Re: FW: ham cars # # and y'all thought I was nuts for wanting two CBs (one with a WX band), # and a stereo in my J10. # # check this out: # http://www.jtrg.org/Photoalbum/Members/AF4KK/AF4KK-Project%20Car/index.html # # :) # # john # # _________________________________________________________________ # Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing^Y now # http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try # bing_1x1 # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:55:23 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: xj: Re: fsj: Re: FW: ham cars Woo hoo! I still have an 8track to CD converter someplace! Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:57:21 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: xj-at-digest.net > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Re: FW: ham cars > > that comes with an 8-track > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Jim Blair wrote: > > # I just want a factory AM/FM/CB and I'll be happy! > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # From: john > # Subject: fsj: Re: FW: ham cars > # > # and y'all thought I was nuts for wanting two CBs (one with a WX band), > # and a stereo in my J10. > # > # check this out: > # http://www.jtrg.org/Photoalbum/Members/AF4KK/AF4KK-Project%20Car/index.html > # > # :) > # > # john > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing^Y now > # http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_tr y > # bing_1x1 > # _________________________________________________________________ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing^Y now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:15:00 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: xj: Re: fsj: Re: FW: ham cars you're one sick puppy... (takes one to know one. ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # Woo hoo! I still have an 8track to CD converter someplace! # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:57:21 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: xj-at-digest.net # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Re: FW: ham cars # > # > that comes with an 8-track # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # I just want a factory AM/FM/CB and I'll be happy! # > # # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # > # # > # From: john # > # Subject: fsj: Re: FW: ham cars # > # # > # and y'all thought I was nuts for wanting two CBs (one with a WX band), # > # and a stereo in my J10. # > # # > # check this out: # > # # http://www.jtrg.org/Photoalbum/Members/AF4KK/AF4KK-Project%20Car/index.html # > # # > # :) # > # # > # john # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing^Y now # > # # http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_tr # y # > # bing_1x1 # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing^Y now # http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try # bing_1x1 # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:02:14 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: testing your O2 sensor and TPS http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f11/haveing-unknown-problems-my-89-cherokee-4- 0-please-help-863290/ _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail.. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria l_QuickAdd_062009 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:22:38 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: xj: Re: fsj: C4C list link got broken: http://www.cars.gov/files/official-information/trade-in-vehicles.pdf ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Michel Balea wrote: # Interested in knowing what was traded in the C4C.... jeep is on page 84-85 # # # # # # # # http://www.cars.gov/files/official-i...n-vehicles.pdf # # # Michel # # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail.. # http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria # l_QuickAdd_062009 # ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3081 *************************