From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Sep 26 06:37:59 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Saturday, September 26 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3084 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: ZJ WJ Trans question Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: Jeep Clunkers Re: xj: ZJ WJ Trans question Re: xj: ZJ WJ Trans question Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: Jeep Clunkers Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: Jeep Clunkers Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: Jeep Clunkers RE: xj: RE: fsj: Re: Jeep Clunkers XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:49:51 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: xj: ZJ WJ Trans question An interesting curve ball for the 42RE? Advance adapters makes something they call the rubicrawler for it. It replaces the tail portion with a 2.8:1 planetary set. Put that with a 241OR and you've got some ridiculous crawl ratio without even messing with the diffs. Of course, you're dealing with a 42RE. Too bad they can't make one of them for an AW4. On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:44:25AM -0500, David Bierschank wrote: > We loved our old XJ, but I think after my wife gets behind the wheel of the > WJ, she will see there is no comparison. Maybe someday I'll pick up an XJ > just to have fun with, but I have my Scout for that right now. > > I plan on getting some quotes today for the A/C repair, so that I can decide > if I want this particular Jeep or not. There are a lot out there, but > getting the combo just right is the trick. My wife thinks it is funny how > narrow my search is, I just know exactly what I am looking for..... Thanks > to this list, otherwise I would probably already be the proud (be it > ignorant) owner of a 42RE. > > I know many thousands of them work fine and always will, however I just > don't want to mess with what I know to be a major repair like a transmission > if I don't have too. Besides like I said I loved the way the V8 felt in the > small SUV anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:55:55 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: Jeep Clunkers Cut the ZJ some slack. You forget that the 5.9 limited was amazing at gulping fuel like it was going out of style :) If I got a ZJ, I'd probably go for a 93 or 94 with a five speed, or that failing, an AW4. Then again, I like punishment, so maybe I put 33s on a 5.9 limited with stock axles :) On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 08:35:19AM -0700, john wrote: > since Jeep has so many models with the same name we need to > use the model designators so we know which ones to avoid... ;) > > the ZJs had four issues: > 1) fuel system, mainly the tank/pump > 2) horrible wandering suspension - quad coil > 3) horrible automatics that meltdown - 42re > 4) kind of an ugly interior... > > > 2 and 3 kind of nix a ZJ for me... although 3 is something one > can deal with. :) > > the only good thing in a ZJ is the 4.0, maybe... > > the WJs are superb, except for the 42re used behind the 4.0 and the > limited forward visibility... and all those computers... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:04:55 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: ZJ WJ Trans question the thing that also steered me from the 4.0 in the WJ was the economy... my 4.7 V8 does better on the freeway than the 4.0! best I ever saw in my 4.0 WJ was 18... in my 4.7's with amsoil I see 21. (not always mind you, but those are the best readings). in town the 4.0 did slightly better, maybe 1 mpg... I like the 4.0, if it weren't for the computers and such swapping in an AW4 or a 45rfe would be a good plan... the 4.0 is simpler and likely more durable than the 4.7. however, that 4.7 will wind up like nothing I've seen... amazingly quick and snappy... easily accelerates... smooth... the 4.7 drivetrain would be a great transplant for an SJ... problem is the 4.7 is very suspectable to negligence, especially if it's been subjected to short commutes on dino oil from minute lube places... :( john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 25 Sep 2009, David Bierschank wrote: # We loved our old XJ, but I think after my wife gets behind the wheel of the # WJ, she will see there is no comparison. Maybe someday I'll pick up an XJ # just to have fun with, but I have my Scout for that right now. # # I plan on getting some quotes today for the A/C repair, so that I can decide # if I want this particular Jeep or not. There are a lot out there, but # getting the combo just right is the trick. My wife thinks it is funny how # narrow my search is, I just know exactly what I am looking for..... Thanks # to this list, otherwise I would probably already be the proud (be it # ignorant) owner of a 42RE. # # I know many thousands of them work fine and always will, however I just # don't want to mess with what I know to be a major repair like a transmission # if I don't have too. Besides like I said I loved the way the V8 felt in the # small SUV anyway. # # David # # # # On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:14 AM, john wrote: # # > a V8 WJ is better than the nicest XJ... well, mostly... if I # > could find a nice late model leather seated xj with a sunroof for a good # > price # > I'd go for it... I like the feel of the xj... they feel just right, # > but overall quality, performance, towing, etc. the wj is the winner. # > love cruising america in our WJ... # > # > # > even if you had to pay to fix the a/c, you'll be happy with it. # > # > don't get the 4.0 though... mainly because of the trans. # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Fri, 25 Sep 2009, David Bierschank wrote: # > # > # I really liked the WJ I drove last weekend. The only issue it has is # > the AC # > # trouble I posted questions on last week. This is apparently a "known" # > # issue, with the blend doors, after some Internet searching. I am still # > # thinking about buying this Jeep. I did the A/C self diagnoses yesterday # > and # > # it showed both blend doors out of spec as well as the recirc door. # > # # > # There is a work around on the blend doors so that the dash doesn't have # > to # > # come out, but not for the recirc door. So that is why I hesitate on this # > # Jeep. Like I said tho.... otherwise it is a VERY nice truck at an okay # > # price, so it is still in consideration. # > # # > # On the other hand, the prices on the later XJ's are very attractive, but # > the # > # WJ's are so nice. I have not, and most likely will not, looked at the # > ZJ's. # > # I just don't care for the body on them.... have not looked inside one. # > # # > # So ideally what I am searching for right now is a WJ (Limited or well # > # appointed Laredo) with Leather, Sunroof, 4x4, V8. This configuration is # > not # > # easy to find around here. Most are 6cyl and/or 2wd. # > # # > # David # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:35 AM, john wrote: # > # # > # > since Jeep has so many models with the same name we need to # > # > use the model designators so we know which ones to avoid... ;) # > # > # > # > the ZJs had four issues: # > # > 1) fuel system, mainly the tank/pump # > # > 2) horrible wandering suspension - quad coil # > # > 3) horrible automatics that meltdown - 42re # > # > 4) kind of an ugly interior... # > # > # > # > # > # > 2 and 3 kind of nix a ZJ for me... although 3 is something one # > # > can deal with. :) # > # > # > # > the only good thing in a ZJ is the 4.0, maybe... # > # > # > # > the WJs are superb, except for the 42re used behind the 4.0 and the # > # > limited forward visibility... and all those computers... # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # > # > # > On Fri, 25 Sep 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # > # > # I did mean the ZJ. I was a bit tired (I just got back from the # > cabin and # > # > # playing musical car parts again) # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # From: john # > # > # Subject: xj: RE: fsj: Re: Jeep Clunkers # > # > # # > # > # which GC? ZJ with the 42re? # > # > # # > # > # when talking GC must make it clear if it's ZJ, WJ or WK... vastly # > # > different # > # > # models... # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # > # Lauren found # > # > # her dream laptop. Find the PC that s right for you. # > # > # http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 # > # > # # > # > # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:05:29 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: ZJ WJ Trans question or the 45RFE. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 25 Sep 2009, Kevin wrote: # An interesting curve ball for the 42RE? Advance adapters makes something they # call the rubicrawler for it. It replaces the tail portion with a 2.8:1 # planetary set. Put that with a 241OR and you've got some ridiculous crawl # ratio without even messing with the diffs. # # Of course, you're dealing with a 42RE. Too bad they can't make one of them for # an AW4. # # On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:44:25AM -0500, David Bierschank wrote: # > We loved our old XJ, but I think after my wife gets behind the wheel of the # > WJ, she will see there is no comparison. Maybe someday I'll pick up an XJ # > just to have fun with, but I have my Scout for that right now. # > # > I plan on getting some quotes today for the A/C repair, so that I can decide # > if I want this particular Jeep or not. There are a lot out there, but # > getting the combo just right is the trick. My wife thinks it is funny how # > narrow my search is, I just know exactly what I am looking for..... Thanks # > to this list, otherwise I would probably already be the proud (be it # > ignorant) owner of a 42RE. # > # > I know many thousands of them work fine and always will, however I just # > don't want to mess with what I know to be a major repair like a transmission # > if I don't have too. Besides like I said I loved the way the V8 felt in the # > small SUV anyway. # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:14:03 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: Jeep Clunkers remember, jeeps are built not bought... stuffing an old tech dodge motor in a poorly thought out jeep made by overzealous mini-van designers from chrysler just isn't worth it, no matter how fast it might kill you... in the history of jeep there are just some things best left alone: - ---- almost always avoid, unless looking for a project and have parts: 2.8L V6s in XJs 2wd versions manual transmission in XJs (without adult supervision and selection) ZJs - ---- the following would be considered under the right conditions/price: KJs Independent front suspension by daimler-chrysler (unless you only like pavement) in addition, there are usually superstitions that defy logic about selecting certain vehicles, for some reason color seems to be the determining factor, can't explain it, but this one color usually does not end well, for any set of wheels, don't know why... willing to once again try... ;) for me: Maroon Jeeps for Jim: Green Jeeps - don't ask. (well, go ahead... ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 25 Sep 2009, Kevin wrote: # Cut the ZJ some slack. You forget that the 5.9 limited was amazing at gulping # fuel like it was going out of style :) # # If I got a ZJ, I'd probably go for a 93 or 94 with a five speed, or that # failing, an AW4. Then again, I like punishment, so maybe I put 33s on a 5.9 # limited with stock axles :) # # On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 08:35:19AM -0700, john wrote: # > since Jeep has so many models with the same name we need to # > use the model designators so we know which ones to avoid... ;) # > # > the ZJs had four issues: # > 1) fuel system, mainly the tank/pump # > 2) horrible wandering suspension - quad coil # > 3) horrible automatics that meltdown - 42re # > 4) kind of an ugly interior... # > # > # > 2 and 3 kind of nix a ZJ for me... although 3 is something one # > can deal with. :) # > # > the only good thing in a ZJ is the 4.0, maybe... # > # > the WJs are superb, except for the 42re used behind the 4.0 and the # > limited forward visibility... and all those computers... # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:12:49 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: Jeep Clunkers The black 89 XJ getting the stroker is a manual shift... Then again, it's been proven time and time again that I need adult supervision around here :) Seriously, though, the five speed made the truck before the engine went. The AW4 soaks up a LOT of power, and I don't care for the way it shifts. Granted, it's not the stock BA10/5 you'd find in an early 89. On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:14:03AM -0700, john wrote: > remember, jeeps are built not bought... > > stuffing an old tech dodge motor in a poorly thought out jeep made > by overzealous mini-van designers from chrysler just isn't worth it, > no matter how fast it might kill you... > > in the history of jeep there are just some things best left alone: > > ---- almost always avoid, unless looking for a project and have parts: > 2.8L V6s in XJs > 2wd versions > manual transmission in XJs (without adult supervision and selection) > ZJs > ---- the following would be considered under the right conditions/price: > KJs > Independent front suspension by daimler-chrysler (unless you only like pavement) > > in addition, there are usually superstitions that defy logic about selecting > certain vehicles, for some reason color seems to be the determining factor, > can't explain it, but this one color usually does not end well, for any set > of wheels, don't know why... willing to once again try... ;) > > for me: Maroon Jeeps > for Jim: Green Jeeps - don't ask. (well, go ahead... ;) > > john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:29:32 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: Jeep Clunkers that's what I mean about adult supervision, selecting the RIGHT manual trans... the other issue for me in the XJs is the way the seat is... kills my lower back to use the clutch... no problem in an SJ, VW, Benz, etc. but in an XJ I'll be hurting... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 25 Sep 2009, Kevin wrote: # The black 89 XJ getting the stroker is a manual shift... # # Then again, it's been proven time and time again that I need adult supervision # around here :) # # Seriously, though, the five speed made the truck before the engine went. The # AW4 soaks up a LOT of power, and I don't care for the way it shifts. Granted, # it's not the stock BA10/5 you'd find in an early 89. # # On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:14:03AM -0700, john wrote: # > remember, jeeps are built not bought... # > # > stuffing an old tech dodge motor in a poorly thought out jeep made # > by overzealous mini-van designers from chrysler just isn't worth it, # > no matter how fast it might kill you... # > # > in the history of jeep there are just some things best left alone: # > # > ---- almost always avoid, unless looking for a project and have parts: # > 2.8L V6s in XJs # > 2wd versions # > manual transmission in XJs (without adult supervision and selection) # > ZJs # > ---- the following would be considered under the right conditions/price: # > KJs # > Independent front suspension by daimler-chrysler (unless you only like pavement) # > # > in addition, there are usually superstitions that defy logic about selecting # > certain vehicles, for some reason color seems to be the determining factor, # > can't explain it, but this one color usually does not end well, for any set # > of wheels, don't know why... willing to once again try... ;) # > # > for me: Maroon Jeeps # > for Jim: Green Jeeps - don't ask. (well, go ahead... ;) # > # > john # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 08:32:37 -0500 From: Allen Zylstra Subject: RE: xj: RE: fsj: Re: Jeep Clunkers To be fair. I like my ZJ. IT has been a good vehicle beside the wandering suspension. 5 years and only minor repairs needed. An XJ or WJ is way better though. I wouldn't buy another ZJ unless its for a trail rig though. Allen > Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:14:03 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: xj-at-digest.net > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: Jeep Clunkers > > remember, jeeps are built not bought... > > stuffing an old tech dodge motor in a poorly thought out jeep made > by overzealous mini-van designers from chrysler just isn't worth it, > no matter how fast it might kill you... > > in the history of jeep there are just some things best left alone: > > ---- almost always avoid, unless looking for a project and have parts: > 2.8L V6s in XJs > 2wd versions > manual transmission in XJs (without adult supervision and selection) > ZJs > ---- the following would be considered under the right conditions/price: > KJs > Independent front suspension by daimler-chrysler (unless you only like pavement) > > in addition, there are usually superstitions that defy logic about selecting > certain vehicles, for some reason color seems to be the determining factor, > can't explain it, but this one color usually does not end well, for any set > of wheels, don't know why... willing to once again try... ;) > > for me: Maroon Jeeps > for Jim: Green Jeeps - don't ask. (well, go ahead... ;) > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Fri, 25 Sep 2009, Kevin wrote: > > # Cut the ZJ some slack. You forget that the 5.9 limited was amazing at gulping > # fuel like it was going out of style :) > # > # If I got a ZJ, I'd probably go for a 93 or 94 with a five speed, or that > # failing, an AW4. Then again, I like punishment, so maybe I put 33s on a 5.9 > # limited with stock axles :) > # > # On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 08:35:19AM -0700, john wrote: > # > since Jeep has so many models with the same name we need to > # > use the model designators so we know which ones to avoid... ;) > # > > # > the ZJs had four issues: > # > 1) fuel system, mainly the tank/pump > # > 2) horrible wandering suspension - quad coil > # > 3) horrible automatics that meltdown - 42re > # > 4) kind of an ugly interior... > # > > # > > # > 2 and 3 kind of nix a ZJ for me... although 3 is something one > # > can deal with. :) > # > > # > the only good thing in a ZJ is the 4.0, maybe... > # > > # > the WJs are superb, except for the 42re used behind the 4.0 and the > # > limited forward visibility... and all those computers... > # _________________________________________________________________ Bing^Y brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. 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