From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Sep 28 06:35:01 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Monday, September 28 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3085 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: safety improvements Re: xj: safety improvements RE: xj: safety improvements XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:18:36 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: xj: safety improvements the insurance institute tested a 1959 Chevy Belair against a 2009 Chevy... http://www.flixxy.com/insurance-institute-highway-safety.htm details of the test: http://www.iihs.org/ratings/frontal_test_info.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:26:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: safety improvements In some strange way, I kinda think that the advent of safer cars has made drivers more reckless. Back in the day when you knew you could die from a 40mph crash in your 4000 pound land yacht, you took care to drive like your life was on the line. The bias-ply tires kept the car wandering at high speeds, the brick-like aerodynamics reminded you that you were indeed traveling at 60 mph, and that whimpy lapbelt (when you actually used it) did absolutely nothing to prevent deadly head injuries. Not to mention, no safety glass (think jagged shards of knife-like glass) and bench seats where you invariably ended up on the passenger side of the car on turns over 5 mph...Yeah, cars today are *TOO* safe and as such, it has caused two problems. 1) no more darwin awards keeping the genes of the stupid people out of the genetic make-up of the human genome, thereby allowing the stupid people to breed and create more stupid people. and 2) drivers can now be more reckless with less chance of death. I remember a story many years ago when Mercedes first came out with the airbag. Mercedes became the primary vehicle for theft and joy rides where the joy riders would slam the mercedes into a brick wall at speed, knowing that the airbags would deploy and they would get the thrill of almost dying without all the messy part of actually dying...Now adays, people think nothing of driving 80, 90 + mph down crappy American roads...swerving in and out of traffic...not worrying if they get hit...because they know that their Kia with the 5* crash rating will keep them and their idiot children safe from harm so that they can go and propate more idiots! Of course, most of this is in jest.....or is it? Ed web/gadget guru - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ By Richard Feynman, Physicist, Nobel winner (1918-1988) "There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." - --- On Sun, 9/27/09, diesel john wrote: From: diesel john Subject: xj: safety improvements To: Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 12:18 AM the insurance institute tested a 1959 Chevy Belair against a 2009 Chevy... http://www.flixxy.com/insurance-institute-highway-safety.htm details of the test: http://www.iihs.org/ratings/frontal_test_info.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 06:29:26 -0700 From: "Tesar Landon-R16884" Subject: RE: xj: safety improvements I ran a closing apartment gate this weekend, but I was in a Volvo 940 wagon. It was a little close. - - L - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Ed Kummel Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 12:27 AM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: safety improvements In some strange way, I kinda think that the advent of safer cars has made drivers more reckless. Back in the day when you knew you could die from a 40mph crash in your 4000 pound land yacht, you took care to drive like your life was on the line. The bias-ply tires kept the car wandering at high speeds, the brick-like aerodynamics reminded you that you were indeed traveling at 60 mph, and that whimpy lapbelt (when you actually used it) did absolutely nothing to prevent deadly head injuries. Not to mention, no safety glass (think jagged shards of knife-like glass) and bench seats where you invariably ended up on the passenger side of the car on turns over 5 mph...Yeah, cars today are *TOO* safe and as such, it has caused two problems. 1) no more darwin awards keeping the genes of the stupid people out of the genetic make-up of the human genome, thereby allowing the stupid people to breed and create more stupid people. and 2) drivers can now be more reckless with less chance of death. I remember a story many years ago when Mercedes first came out with the airbag. Mercedes became the primary vehicle for theft and joy rides where the joy riders would slam the mercedes into a brick wall at speed, knowing that the airbags would deploy and they would get the thrill of almost dying without all the messy part of actually dying...Now adays, people think nothing of driving 80, 90 + mph down crappy American roads...swerving in and out of traffic...not worrying if they get hit...because they know that their Kia with the 5* crash rating will keep them and their idiot children safe from harm so that they can go and propate more idiots! Of course, most of this is in jest.....or is it? Ed web/gadget guru - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ By Richard Feynman, Physicist, Nobel winner (1918-1988) "There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." - --- On Sun, 9/27/09, diesel john wrote: From: diesel john Subject: xj: safety improvements To: Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 12:18 AM the insurance institute tested a 1959 Chevy Belair against a 2009 Chevy... http://www.flixxy.com/insurance-institute-highway-safety.htm details of the test: http://www.iihs.org/ratings/frontal_test_info.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3085 *************************