From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Oct 1 12:37:14 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Thursday, October 1 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3087 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Permanent closure of Moab vote tomorrow! RE: fsj: Re: xj: Permanent closure of Moab vote tomorrow! xj: administrivia: notes on using this list xj: Think "What will happen if they close Moab?" xj: Re: fsj: Think "What will happen if they close Moab?" XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:30:34 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Permanent closure of Moab vote tomorrow! how can a representative from New York have the right, sense or possibility to close areas in Utah???? Congress to hold hearing on closing 9 million acres in Utah Contact your Representative to Oppose H.R. 1925! Hearing Tomorrow! The Chairman of the Subcommittee on National Parks, Forests and Public Lands of the U.S. House Committee on Natural Resources has scheduled a hearing on October 1 to consider H.R. 1925, America's Red Rock Wilderness Act of 2009. This legislation -- which will ban off-highway vehicle (OHV) access to public lands to those who live and recreate in Utah -- was introduced by New York Representative Maurice Hinchey. To read his press release on H.R. 1925, click here. However, not a single Representative from Utah is supporting H.R. 1925. Specifically, H.R. 1925 would designate more than nine million more acres as federally protected "Wilderness," and directly affect the Moab, San Rafael Swell and Chimney Rock areas (to name a few) in Utah. These popular OHV areas represent some of the most important remaining OHV recreation areas in Utah, and are some of the most popular with responsible OHV riders. The proposed Wilderness designation would also make the land off limits to ATV riders, mountain bikers and horseback riders. Coming on the heels of the recently enacted Omnibus Public Land Management Act, which closed 2 million acres of public lands, this vast Wilderness bill will take away additional recreation opportunities currently enjoyed by local residents and visitors alike. The AMA needs your help now to stop H.R. 1925. The fastest way to reach your U.S. Representative is to call them. You can find contact information for your elected officials by entering your zip code on AmericanMotorcyclist.com, clicking on "Rights," then "Issues and Legislation." Additionally, a prewritten e-mail is available for you to send to your Representative immediately by following the "Take Action" option and entering your information. Please contact your Representative right away and urge them to oppose H.R. 1925. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # Tell your Rep to vote down this before ALL offroad areas are blocked to John Q # Public! # # http://capwiz.com/amacycle/issues/alert/?alertid=14061961 # # # http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=824178 # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that^Rs right for you. # http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:07:50 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: Permanent closure of Moab vote tomorrow! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Because it's not in HIS back yard! Jim Blair=2C Lynnwood=2C WA '87 Comanche=2C '83 Jeep J10=2C '84 Jeep J10 - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed=2C 30 Sep 2009 10:30:34 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: xj-at-digest.net > CC: fsj-list-at-yahoogroups.com=3B fsjsocialclub-at-yahoogroups.com=3B fsjparts= -at-yahoogroups.com=3B fsj-digest-at-digest.net=3B fsj-nw-at-yahoogroups.com=3B amc_= eagle-at-yahoogroups.com=3B amc-parts-at-yahoogroups.com > Subject: fsj: Re: xj: Permanent closure of Moab vote tomorrow! > > how can a representative from New York have the right=2C sense or possibi= lity to close areas in Utah???? > > =0A= _________________________________________________________________=0A= Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! 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Seriously though, we are seeing some of the same issues here in Australia. we have one state(NSW) that has virtually locked all the public land up. You can only wheel on private land. The only way to deal with these do good greenies, (as opposed to the real environmentalists most of whom live and/or work in country areas) is to fight them tooth and nail and do your absolute most to convince your local politicians that this kind of action, locking up land is not wanted and will not be tolerated. The biggest issue that will face us is probably not losing our cars or fuel, but losing the right to use them on public land. For any of you who think , you're ok because you have access to a friends property or have your own, so you dont need to support fighting for public access, think about this. When I was in Europe a couple of years ago , I found out that in Austria, it is illegal to drive off road. This doesnt mean just on public land it means any off road at all ! If a farmer drives his 4wd across his own field he will cop a hefty fine. Its much the same in Germany and France. The people I know there that own Pinzgaurs and Haflingers, organise trips to north Africa just to go 4w driving. A lot of people in Europe thought it would never happen and got complacent about fighting for access. Dont let it happen to you in America, because if you sit on your hands and think it wont, you might get a nasty shock . We are fighting for access in Australia but even with good lobby groups we are still gradually losing access every year. If you dont have the rights to use public land then by what definition is it public. The government don't own the land, you do! Andrew in Aus. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. has ever-growing storage! Don^Rt worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial _Storage_062009 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:36:37 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: Re: fsj: Think "What will happen if they close Moab?" well, that explains why I got my butt severely chewed on for driving that army truck across a field at the rifle range near Darmstadt, Germany... :) seemed to me that a straight line made more sense... boy, did I get my heels locked. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # Re: Permanent closure of Moab vote tomorrow! # Posted by: "andrew longfield" camion.jeep-at-gmail.com camionjeep # Date: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:50 am ((PDT)) # # Wow , you guys are really in trouble over there, anyway I heard you don't # need any land to wheel on, as they've taken all your old cars away. # Seriously though, we are seeing some of the same issues here in Australia. # we have one state(NSW) that has virtually locked all the public land up. You # can only wheel on private land. The only way to deal with these do good # greenies, (as opposed to the real environmentalists most of whom live and/or # work in country areas) is to fight them tooth and nail and do your absolute # most to convince your local politicians that this kind of action, locking up # land is not wanted and will not be tolerated. The biggest issue that will # face us is probably not losing our cars or fuel, but losing the right to use # them on public land. For any of you who think , you're ok because you have # access to a friends property or have your own, so you dont need to support # fighting for public access, think about this. When I was in Europe a couple # of years ago , I found out that in Austria, it is illegal to drive off road. # This doesnt mean just on public land it means any off road at all ! If a # farmer drives his 4wd across his own field he will cop a hefty fine. Its # much the same in Germany and France. The people I know there that own # Pinzgaurs and Haflingers, organise trips to north Africa just to go 4w # driving. A lot of people in Europe thought it would never happen and got # complacent about fighting for access. Dont let it happen to you in America, # because if you sit on your hands and think it wont, you might get a nasty # shock . We are fighting for access in Australia but even with good lobby # groups we are still gradually losing access every year. If you dont have the # rights to use public land then by what definition is it public. The # government don't own the land, you do! # # Andrew in Aus. ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3087 *************************