From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Nov 7 08:39:16 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Saturday, November 7 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3099 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: RE: fsj: '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... xj: Re: [db] '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure xj: RE: '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure (fwd) Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure (fwd) Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure (fwd) xj: Re: FW: Parking incident xj: loaded up and ready to wrench... xj: OT... way OffTopic... extreme geek question... xj: RE: fsj: '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure (fwd) Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure (fwd) XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:37:44 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: RE: fsj: '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... yes, this could be quite the adventure... will report the findings... :) Lord willing this will be a simple fix... quite likely it will be, the gentleman with the Jeep was driving it daily, one day it quit, he towed it home, then was summoned back east for a family medical emergency and hasn't had time to deal with this. I will look under the jeep for any connecting rods sticking through the block before purchasing though... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Michel Balea wrote: # I have the experience w the cps: # if there is an oil leak from the valve cover, dripping on the cps connector, # unplug it, it is on the passenger side of the valve cover (2wires), clean, # reconnect, it can restart, but may fail after 5 or 500 miles. I forgot the ohm # value of the cps and I am away from the TSM. # # Of course the funny one, is the empty gas tank one. # # Then the non working fuel pump or plugged fuel filter. # # Michel # # # > From: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > To: john-at-wagoneers.com; fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... # > Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:53:02 -0800 # > # > Cps = no spark # > map = start/quit or overfuel but still spark # > fuel pump/relay = no pressure # > bad gauge = no gas ;^) # > # > > Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:47:08 -0800 # > > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > > To: xj-at-digest.net # > > Subject: fsj: '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... # > > # > > details from the seller below. # > > # > > suspects as identified by the list: # > > # > > - MAP sensor # > > - CPS (crank pos sensor) and related wiring # > > # > > - fuel pump/filter # > > # > > ---------------- # > > other suspects: # > > # > > - TPS # > > # > > john # > > # > > ----- # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > > # > > # > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- # > > # > > ...he said it was running fine and he was driving to # > > work one day and it just stopped...... i think he towed it home.... he # > > said those are the only problems he know of, and he thinks it's # > > possible to get it going. he drove it daily for about a year with out # > > problems. the brakes work but need to be replaced soon. you could # > > drive home though with no problem i think. it is in the parking lot # > > of his apts, so it can stay there for a few days if you need it to... # > > # > > ad: # > > # > > The Throttle Position Sensor is not working. It need brakes, has no # > battery # > > or tape deck. # > > Update- My dad just told me the the Transmission computer is not working # > > properly. # > > The TPS won't send the signal to it to tell it to start. Also # it's # > an # > > Automatic. # > # > _________________________________________________________________ # > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. # > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ # > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ # # _________________________________________________________________ # Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. # http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9690331&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US: # WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009 # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:48:38 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Re: [db] '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure where might that be on a jeep??? I've seen this on a ford before that crashed in the ditch... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Jerry Kaidor wrote: # > popcorn update: Friday 6 November - # # > if no fuel present, check fuses, pump, replace pump/filter # # *** Don't forget the crash sensor! Fix might be as simple as pressing # its reset button. # # - Jerry Kaidor # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:12:58 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure No upside down valve in the xj unless it has ABS (maybe) > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:48:38 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: jerry-at-tr2.com > CC: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net; xj-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net; timesawastin-at-bigpond.com; wj-grand-at-yahoogroups.com; dzashby-at-comcast.net > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure > > where might that be on a jeep??? > > I've seen this on a ford before that crashed in the ditch... > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Jerry Kaidor wrote: > > # > popcorn update: Friday 6 November - > # > # > if no fuel present, check fuses, pump, replace pump/filter > # > # *** Don't forget the crash sensor! Fix might be as simple as pressing > # its reset button. > # > # - Jerry Kaidor > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:14:54 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: xj: RE: '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure :) On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Joe Hughes wrote: # Wow, my head is spinning. Computers, sensors, spark plugs, now I know why # you like diesels! ;-) # # Joe H. # Everett, WA AMEN. Fuel, filter, pump, injectors. Either it do, or it don't. simple. just like me. ;) and besides, gas stinks... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:18:21 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure (fwd) this could explain why I haven't seen one in a jeep. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jim Blair No upside down valve in the xj unless it has ABS (maybe) > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:48:38 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: jerry-at-tr2.com > CC: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net; xj-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net; timesawastin-at-bigpond.com; wj-grand-at-yahoogroups.com; dzashby-at-comcast.net > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure > > where might that be on a jeep??? > > I've seen this on a ford before that crashed in the ditch... > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Jerry Kaidor wrote: > > # > popcorn update: Friday 6 November - > # > # > if no fuel present, check fuses, pump, replace pump/filter > # > # *** Don't forget the crash sensor! Fix might be as simple as pressing > # its reset button. > # > # - Jerry Kaidor > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:47:48 -0500 From: Marc Z Subject: Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure (fwd) How to you tell a renix from a non-renix? Are there both types of 4.0s for '89? Just curious, as I have an '89 reaching just about 200,000 miles. Wondering if I need to go ahead and replace some of these parts. Thanks, Marc. Z in NC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:05:12 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure (fwd) it's renix through '90, non-ho, no need to replace anything. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Marc Z wrote: # How to you tell a renix from a non-renix? Are # there both types of 4.0s for '89? # # Just curious, as I have an '89 reaching just about # 200,000 miles. Wondering if I need to go ahead # and replace some of these parts. # # Thanks, Marc. Z in NC # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 20:34:33 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Re: FW: Parking incident hadn't seen it... I'd say that thing scored about 575 on the RTI... what do you give it? ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, David Ashby wrote: # You probably already saw his.but just in case you haven't # # # # # http://autos.aol.com/article/bmw-x5-worst-parker?icid=main|main|dl1|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fautos.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fbmw-x5-worst-parker # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:47:19 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: xj: loaded up and ready to wrench... ...in the rain... hoping it'll be a simple fix to get the '89 XJ running... http://wagoneers.com/tmp/XJ/ALL.html picked up a Map sensor, CPS and fuel pump... loaded up tools, parts and have the WJ pointed toward the freeway... talked to curtis... he's trying for the end of November for Superdawg... guess there's a number of folks in his home town cheering him on... that way they can get their projects into his shop. ;) it is totally possible, everything he needs is there... he's doing a LOT of prep work for the paint job... he's uncovering a lot of the quality issues that AMC had, he is grateful that Superdawg is rust free though. (so am I). :) and, also... the SD33T appears to longer than the 4.2, which means trying to stuff it under the "bonnet" of the XJ would require a bigger hammer than I own... :) Besides, hauling WVO in an XJ just doesn't seem practical, that stuff is nasty... The tug has been great for it, but runs out of room and can only carry about 1,000lbs worth before it has issues. The J10 will be ideal for that and adding a 2nd tank for SVO operation. so the XJ will get fixed and sold to pay for the wedding that happened in august... the tug also will be going away with the Diesel... I wasn't really excited about two engine swaps anyway... I just couldn't make the xj work for WVO. If the tug sells first and Superdawg is done I may use the XJ for a Mercedes Diesel conversion, long term project... what would be the point of having a monster carport if I didn't have something like that lurking in the back of it? :) keep the popcorn fresh... (and dry)... nasty november west coast storms coming through, wind was at least 14 mph today... and it was raining drops! john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:32:51 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: OT... way OffTopic... extreme geek question... WARNING: WAY OFF TOPIC... 99% of you won't get this... if you don't know what "rsync" is, you are Normal... delete this NOW! want to keep 4 computers in sync using one as the master... will overwrite the server on sync... this is what I use this for backups... but it doesn't remove anything on the server... just adds... rsync -rp /home/user/dir user-at-server:/home/user/dir what's the syntax to make the server the same as the client? do I use the delete switch? ...and yes, I did read the man pages. I'm thinking I need to add this??? --delete delete extraneous files from dest dirs so to backup the client directory to the server and REMOVE any files I've deleted, would I do this? rsync -rp --delete /home/user/dir user-at-server:/home/user/dir thanx richard and jerry... ;) this is part of my migration plan from Microsoft to full on Linux using Thunderbird... will keep the latest email on my server and sync my clients from the server, then after reading/deleting, will update the thunderbird folders on the server, and repeat... there may be an easier way... but this will allow me to use the mac and several linux boxes... with quasi-backups distributed... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 01:33:57 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: RE: fsj: '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure John wrote: what's a Thunderstorm? Is that anything like "what's snow?" Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:42:45 -0500 From: Marc Z Subject: Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure (fwd) Thanks John... I'd rather replace stuff before it leaves me out in the middle of nowhere on the side of the road.... :-) Especially, if it's a sudden breakdown.... Marc Z in NC john wrote: > it's renix through '90, non-ho, > no need to replace anything. > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Marc Z wrote: > > # How to you tell a renix from a non-renix? Are > # there both types of 4.0s for '89? > # > # Just curious, as I have an '89 reaching just about > # 200,000 miles. Wondering if I need to go ahead > # and replace some of these parts. > # > # Thanks, Marc. Z in NC > # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:38:36 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] '89 xj - renix - symptoms as reported... another popcorn adventure (fwd) problem is you'd likely create problems these things are quite reliable if it is running well, leave well enough alone don't go looking for trouble ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 7 Nov 2009, Marc Z wrote: # Thanks John... I'd rather replace stuff before # it leaves me out in the middle of nowhere on the # side of the road.... :-) # Especially, if it's a sudden breakdown.... # # Marc Z in NC # # john wrote: # > it's renix through '90, non-ho, # > no need to replace anything. # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps # > don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http:http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com # > http:http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Marc Z wrote: # > # > # How to you tell a renix from a non-renix? Are # > # there both types of 4.0s for '89? # > # # > # Just curious, as I have an '89 reaching just # > # about # > # 200,000 miles. Wondering if I need to go # > # ahead # > # and replace some of these parts. # > # # > # Thanks, Marc. Z in NC # > # # ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3099 *************************