From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Nov 15 19:51:42 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Monday, November 16 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3104 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: newer Jeeps, miles and engines Re: xj: newer Jeeps, miles and engines xj: cj-10a fuel economy / throttle experiment xj: administrivia: notes on using this list xj: RE: fsj: cj-10a fuel economy / throttle experiment xj: new parts for your toys or new toys for your trucks? XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:17:16 -0700 From: "Andeanfx" Subject: xj: newer Jeeps, miles and engines We have been looking at newer Jeeps. The diesel in the WK got us started and that led to the Commander for it's size. If the WK, it would be the diesel but if the Commander I would lean toward the 5.7 hemi. Is there any any compelling reason to go with or not go with either the 4.7 or hemi? Next, at what milege should I stay away from a particular car. In other words how many miles before the whisltes and bells start blinking at the wrong times or not at all? Thanks Dean ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:22:21 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: newer Jeeps, miles and engines I would go with the 4.7, have had two, fine engines if you run amsoil synthetic... smooth, fast and 21 mpg with amsoil. the 5.7 is overkill and reminds me too much of chrysler... ;) I am thinking I'll end up with a WK with the Diesel... don't care for the WK nearly as much as a WJ, but having a factory Jeep Diesel is the way to go. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 14 Nov 2009, Andeanfx wrote: # We have been looking at newer Jeeps. The diesel in the WK got us started and # that led to the Commander for it's size. # # If the WK, it would be the diesel but if the Commander I would lean toward # the 5.7 hemi. Is there any any compelling reason to go with or not go with # either the 4.7 or hemi? # # Next, at what milege should I stay away from a particular car. In other # words how many miles before the whisltes and bells start blinking at the # wrong times or not at all? Thanks Dean # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:29:12 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: xj: cj-10a fuel economy / throttle experiment in talking to my son about fuel economy he noted that one on little Diesel truck that we both had owned, that he would get considerably better mileage than me... I'd get around 28 or so, he'd get closer to 34... I've had other friends who have purchased Diesels from me with similar results... like one VW pickup Diesel... I'd get 35... my friend got 45... so what have I been doing wrong? :) Well, I guess I've been driving my small Diesels in the "digital mode"... full on, full off... So, I tried driving the tug without standing on the pedal all the time... seeing as how the cj-10a engine isn't exactly a powerhouse, and all... so I figured out how far to push the pedal to the point where it just didn't go any faster and pushing it harder just provided me exercise... checked the mileage today. wow. a noticeable difference, even on biodiesel... the last two tanks on bioDiesel in cooler weather have been around 17 mpg... this tank was 19.2. Now, if you figure the difference between the more recent, weaker BioDiesel (my resturaunt sources have been using lower quality oil to save money) versus what I might expect with pump Diesel... I think the tug would be well into the 20's. My '91 300D on BioDiesel was getting around 25 mpg, vs. it's normal 30 mpg (with me driving), that's about a 16% difference... add that to 19.2 and the tug could see 22 mpg in town with adult operation... This is great news for SuperDawg's setup... provided I keep my foot under control. :) The next test would be to try to drive even more economically, but since the tug is so underpowered and slow already I don't know if I could go any slower without causing traffic problems. ;) fwiw, won't be on line much tomorrow, 34th wedding anniversary... later, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:05:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: xj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? 3. How do I post to the list? 4. Where are the archives? 5. What other lists are on digest.net? 6. Is there a web subscription form? 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? 8. How do I contact the server adminstrator in an emergency? 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? The Meta-FAQ 1. Why don't my postings go through? There are several things that may interfere with postings making it to the list. a) Are you a member? Some read the ftp archives rather than receiving the list in email. Persons who read the list via email are automatically members, but readers of the FTP archive are not, and need to contact me (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com) and get your name added to the list of "permitted senders". b) has your email address changed? some of you have had changes in your email address. your old address still works, and is still on the list, but your From: line shows a new address. this can happen for various reasons; you may have changed jobs or ISPs, and left a forward in place, or your IT staff may have fiddled with the email system. you will need to unsubscribe your old email address and subscribe the new one. this may require my involvement, if you can't figure out a way to get your old address off the list using the conventional majordomo commands. you can use the majordomo "which" command to probe for old addresses. send a message to majordomo-at-digest.net with one or more which commands in the body, one per line. to check for potential addresses for Fred Flinstone, formerly of bedrock.org, the following commands can be sent: which flintstone which bedrock note that the matches above might return any of the following addresses, if they appear in the list (in other words, you can use vagueness and incompleteness in your recollection as a tool): Fred.Flinstone-at-bedrock.org fflinstone-at-wilma.bedrock.org flintstonef-at-bedrock.com c) do you have more than one email address? if so, only the subscribed addresses can post, unless you contact me (see 1.a) above for relevant information) d) are you using (intentionally or accidentially) special "features" of your mail client? [this section is no longer operative, as the demime software now strips html, attachments, rich text format, etc. from postings automatically.] e) are your posts too large? there is a 10,000 character limit on posting sizes; this is done for various reasons. you can always split up large postings to get mail through. f) are you including majordomo commands at the start of your message? administrivia control is turned on; this is a trap for things like "unsubscribe" at the start of a message. try to avoid obvious majordomo commands in the subject and the first 10 lines, or misspell them in obvious ways (e.g. unzubscribe, 1ndex, h3lp, g3t, etc.) g) are you triggering spam traps? some things are red flags; for example, many phrases found commonly in spam are automatically blocked. h) are you using "funky" character sets? [7 bit restriction lifted experimentally on 8/2/00 -- film at 11] unfortunately, there are "issues" if i permit any character set other than old fashioned 7 level ASCII; therefore, you need to avoid national character sets that include various accents, umlauts, national currency characters such as the British pound symbol, etc. i) are you unintentionally including complete digests in your reply? You need to check and make sure you cut down replys to the minimal size; digests are between 20,000 and 25,000 characters in length, and if you include a complete digest in your reply, it clearly won't make the 10,000 character limit. By the way, this feature is intentional. j) Are you using a "bad" ISP or mail relay? See http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html for more information about Digest.Net policies about email. k) Is the error message you get back "User Unknown"? If so, you may be running afoul of spam control severices (again, see http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html) When these services register a hit, the error code 550 is returned. 550 is a generic code that many broken mail systems report as "user unknown". The "rejectlog" entries for the previous day's mail traffic on digest.net may be viewed at http://www.digest.net/rejectlog.01 Some of you may find it useful or instructive to use the telnet program to connect directly to port 25 on krusty-motorsports.com and see what kind of reply you get; this requires some technical knowledge and is not for everyone (you can get out of this at anytime after the initial banner simply by typing quit and hitting enter.) l) Is SMTP over TLS involved? This is a bit esoteric, but as of 8/8/01 the digest.net mail server will attempt to use "TLS" (Transport Layer Security) for outbound mail if the destination mail server offers it. SMTP over TLS is fairly new technology, and a bit buggy. I am monitoring the logs on the server, and when I see TLS related problems, I manually place the problem destinations on a special exception list; however, this may delay email to the destination host until I make the exception. 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? a) are you using the right address? send to majordomo-at-digest.net, and the command format is unsubscribe list-name my-email-address b) has your email address changed? majordomo has no way of knowing that Fred.Flinstone-at-BarneyCo.com was once fflintstone-at-bedrock.org. you can check this with the which command (see 1.b) above for details) 3. How do I post to the list? You may use either one of two addresses: for example, the bmw-digest may be reached using either bmw-at-digest.net or bmw-digest-at-digest.net If you are using the correct addresses and your posts don't show up, check out the stuff in 1. above. 4. Where are the archives? see ftp://ftp.digest.net/ for digest archives. the web archives have proven problematic, and are awaiting time for a systematic attack on the problems they've been having. 5. What other lists are on digest.net? see http://www.digest.net/ for more information. 6. Is there a web subscription form? Yes, recently added. go to http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? The Krusty Motorsports server (aka, digest.net) was explicitly to provide for efficient management of the various automotive mailing lists, done the way that the owner of the server wanted it done. Any migration off of the server (which is already bought, paid for, and configured) would create any number of issues. 8. How do i contact the Server Administrator in an emergency? If my regular email address (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com) isn't working for you, you can fall back on rwelty-at-suespammers.org 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:36:44 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: RE: fsj: cj-10a fuel economy / throttle experiment Maybe the overhaul I did on Super Dawg's carb would have netted you closer to 20 MPG like mine did then? Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:29:12 -0800 > From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net > To: > Subject: fsj: cj-10a fuel economy / throttle experiment > > in talking to my son about fuel economy he noted that one on little Diesel truck that > we both had owned, that he would get considerably better mileage than me... I'd get > around 28 or so, he'd get closer to 34... > > I've had other friends who have purchased Diesels from me with similar results... like > one VW pickup Diesel... I'd get 35... my friend got 45... > > so what have I been doing wrong? :) > > Well, I guess I've been driving my small Diesels in the "digital mode"... full on, full off... > > So, I tried driving the tug without standing on the pedal all the time... seeing as how > the cj-10a engine isn't exactly a powerhouse, and all... so I figured out how far to > push the pedal to the point where it just didn't go any faster and pushing it harder just > provided me exercise... > > checked the mileage today. wow. a noticeable difference, even on biodiesel... > > the last two tanks on bioDiesel in cooler weather have been around 17 mpg... this tank was 19.2. > > Now, if you figure the difference between the more recent, weaker BioDiesel (my resturaunt > sources have been using lower quality oil to save money) versus what I might expect with pump > Diesel... I think the tug would be well into the 20's. > > My '91 300D on BioDiesel was getting around 25 mpg, vs. it's normal 30 mpg (with me driving), > that's about a 16% difference... add that to 19.2 and the tug could see 22 mpg in town with > adult operation... > > This is great news for SuperDawg's setup... provided I keep my foot under control. :) > > The next test would be to try to drive even more economically, but since the tug is so > underpowered and slow already I don't know if I could go any slower without causing traffic problems. ;) > > > fwiw, won't be on line much tomorrow, 34th wedding anniversary... > > later, > john > > > > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_M FESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:51:18 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: new parts for your toys or new toys for your trucks? You decide! http://www.carolinaclassictrucks.com/DEI-030309.html _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3104 *************************