From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Nov 16 16:25:31 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Tuesday, November 17 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3105 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: '89 xj ltd abs issues xj: '89 XJ abs xj: SV: '89 xj ltd abs issues Re: xj: SV: '89 xj ltd abs issues Re: xj: SV: '89 xj ltd abs issues Re: xj: SV: '89 xj ltd abs issues xj: Re: J20 radiator xj: RE: J20 radiator Re: xj: cj-10a fuel economy / throttle experiment XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:18:23 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: '89 xj ltd abs issues having issues with the '89 xj ltd. it has abs... brakes are very, very hard to push... pulled the connector to the abs bladdler, disconnected sensors to the module under back seat, pulled both fuses... still very hard to press pedal and front left tire will lock up even at slow speeds. what's the easiest way to return normal power brakes? If I were to just get a stock non-ABS master brake and connect the brake lines and remove all the abs crap would that work? I don't care for abs at all... even on my '99 wj or '91 300d. anyway, need to get the brakes working better to sell. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:45:34 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: '89 XJ abs Terry, it does sound straight forward, thanx... will look at what you've said at first opportunity. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Terry Halmshaw wrote: # For a module here they are about $200.00 S/H. # # It may pay to pull all wheels and clean the strobe sensors, # I have known this to cause one wheel to lock up. # # A hard pedal is usually caused by the vacuum to the booster # being faulty, just like in the old days when cars had no boosters # hard pedal hard to stop, pull the valve and see if it's sucking, can't # be the diaphragm in the booster or the pedal would be floor bound. # # Sounds like an easy fix. # # # At 12:15 AM 11/16/2009, you wrote: # >the pedal is hard to press... left front tire will lock up easily. # > # >pulled all fuses, disconnected all sensors... still hard to press... # > # >the modules are expensive, aren't they? # > # >the fuses were good... # > # > # > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:43:07 +0100 From: "Sune Cullberg" Subject: xj: SV: '89 xj ltd abs issues - -89, it4s the one with electrichydraulic power booster? Pump under cooling tank? If pressure is too low abs lamp will light up, and hard pedal. /Sune Sweden - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] Fvr john Skickat: den 16 november 2009 09:18 Till: xj-list Dmne: xj: '89 xj ltd abs issues having issues with the '89 xj ltd. it has abs... brakes are very, very hard to push... pulled the connector to the abs bladdler, disconnected sensors to the module under back seat, pulled both fuses... still very hard to press pedal and front left tire will lock up even at slow speeds. what's the easiest way to return normal power brakes? If I were to just get a stock non-ABS master brake and connect the brake lines and remove all the abs crap would that work? I don't care for abs at all... even on my '99 wj or '91 300d. anyway, need to get the brakes working better to sell. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:55:21 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: SV: '89 xj ltd abs issues thanx. thought I saw something over there... couldn't find a vacuum cannister... wonder how expensive those things are... will have to check. good call, thanx Sune! Was wondering what all that plumbing was over there, everyone so far has been talking me through stuff on the driver's side... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Sune Cullberg wrote: # -89, it4s the one with electrichydraulic power booster? Pump under cooling # tank? If pressure is too low abs lamp will light up, and hard pedal. # # /Sune # Sweden # # -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- # Fren: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] Fvr john # Skickat: den 16 november 2009 09:18 # Till: xj-list # Dmne: xj: '89 xj ltd abs issues # # having issues with the '89 xj ltd. # # it has abs... brakes are very, very hard to push... # pulled the connector to the abs bladdler, disconnected sensors to the # module under back seat, pulled both fuses... # # still very hard to press pedal and front left tire will lock up even at slow # speeds. # # what's the easiest way to return normal power brakes? # # If I were to just get a stock non-ABS master brake and connect the # brake lines and remove all the abs crap would that work? # # I don't care for abs at all... even on my '99 wj or '91 300d. # # anyway, need to get the brakes working better to sell. # # john # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:07:20 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: SV: '89 xj ltd abs issues The ABS for these Jeeps are under a recall notice. I had my ABS on my 89 Wagoneer LTD replaced by the dealer last year. they replaced the pump, canister, an actuator and several other smaller pieces. I would look into this before you start taking things apart...if it's coverd by the dealer recall for free, it's worth it! Ed web/gadget guru - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ By Richard Feynman, Physicist, Nobel winner (1918-1988) "There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." - --- On Mon, 11/16/09, john wrote: From: john Subject: Re: xj: SV: '89 xj ltd abs issues To: "full size jeep list" , "xj-list" Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 11:55 AM thanx. thought I saw something over there... couldn't find a vacuum cannister... wonder how expensive those things are... will have to check. good call, thanx Sune! Was wondering what all that plumbing was over there, everyone so far has been talking me through stuff on the driver's side... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Sune Cullberg wrote: # -89, it4s the one with electrichydraulic power booster? Pump under cooling # tank? If pressure is too low abs lamp will light up, and hard pedal. # # /Sune # Sweden # # -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- # Fren: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] Fvr john # Skickat: den 16 november 2009 09:18 # Till: xj-list # Dmne: xj: '89 xj ltd abs issues # # having issues with the '89 xj ltd. # # it has abs... brakes are very, very hard to push... # pulled the connector to the abs bladdler, disconnected sensors to the # module under back seat, pulled both fuses... # # still very hard to press pedal and front left tire will lock up even at slow # speeds. # # what's the easiest way to return normal power brakes? # # If I were to just get a stock non-ABS master brake and connect the # brake lines and remove all the abs crap would that work? # # I don't care for abs at all... even on my '99 wj or '91 300d. # # anyway, need to get the brakes working better to sell. # # john # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:16:43 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: SV: '89 xj ltd abs issues excellent! thanx. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Ed Kummel wrote: # The ABS for these Jeeps are under a recall notice. I had my ABS on my 89 # Wagoneer LTD replaced by the dealer last year. they replaced the pump, # canister, an actuator and several other smaller pieces. # I would look into this before you start taking things apart...if it's coverd # by the dealer recall for free, it's worth it! # Ed # web/gadget guru # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # By Richard Feynman, Physicist, Nobel winner (1918-1988) # # # "There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's # only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call # them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." # # --- On Mon, 11/16/09, john wrote: # # From: john # Subject: Re: xj: SV: '89 xj ltd abs issues # To: "full size jeep list" , "xj-list" # Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 11:55 AM # # thanx. thought I saw something over there... couldn't find a vacuum # cannister... # wonder how expensive those things are... will have to check. # # good call, thanx Sune! Was wondering what all that plumbing was over there, # everyone so far has been talking me through stuff on the driver's side... # # john # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Sune Cullberg wrote: # # # -89, it4s the one with electrichydraulic power booster? Pump under cooling # # tank? If pressure is too low abs lamp will light up, and hard pedal. # # # # /Sune # # Sweden # # # # -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- # # Fren: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] Fvr john # # Skickat: den 16 november 2009 09:18 # # Till: xj-list # # Dmne: xj: '89 xj ltd abs issues # # # # having issues with the '89 xj ltd. # # # # it has abs... brakes are very, very hard to push... # # pulled the connector to the abs bladdler, disconnected sensors to the # # module under back seat, pulled both fuses... # # # # still very hard to press pedal and front left tire will lock up even at # slow # # speeds. # # # # what's the easiest way to return normal power brakes? # # # # If I were to just get a stock non-ABS master brake and connect the # # brake lines and remove all the abs crap would that work? # # # # I don't care for abs at all... even on my '99 wj or '91 300d. # # # # anyway, need to get the brakes working better to sell. # # # # john # # # # # # # # ----- # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:56:09 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Re: J20 radiator good point, I thought it was on the fsj list... (new guy) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Obi-Wan wrote: # > I've discovered my '86 J20 needs a new radiator. I'll check with Olympic 4x4 # > tomorrow when they open, but I'm wondering if anyone has a better idea? # # Isn't this sort of request what the various FSJ mailing lists and # web forums are for? # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:55:38 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: RE: J20 radiator I've got a two row radiator from my '80 J10. you'll likely want a better one... I'd check with Stan's radiator up in Lake Stevens john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Rick Reed wrote: # Hello everybody, # # I've discovered my '86 J20 needs a new radiator. I'll check with Olympic 4x4 # tomorrow when they open, but I'm wondering if anyone has a better idea? # # Thank you very much. # # Rick # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:25:09 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: cj-10a fuel economy / throttle experiment Yeah, that's how my dad drives...He's either accelerating or decelerating...and usually in the extreme in both cases! Unfortunately, he's of that age (70's) where you can't tell him anything...He always knows better! I did explain to him how fuel injected engines will lean out the mixture if you don't have so much pedal travel...like on highway driving...he tried it and found a remarkable improvement in his mileage! Me? In my Jeep and my car, the onboard computer tells me what my mileage is at that moment...If I watch that, I get in the 20's...if I have the computer switched to temperature or something else, I get in the teens! So I guess it's all perception really!! Ed web/gadget guru - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ By Richard Feynman, Physicist, Nobel winner (1918-1988) "There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." - --- On Sun, 11/15/09, diesel john wrote: From: diesel john Subject: xj: cj-10a fuel economy / throttle experiment To: Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 1:29 AM in talking to my son about fuel economy he noted that one on little Diesel truck that we both had owned, that he would get considerably better mileage than me... I'd get around 28 or so, he'd get closer to 34... I've had other friends who have purchased Diesels from me with similar results... like one VW pickup Diesel... I'd get 35... my friend got 45... so what have I been doing wrong? :) Well, I guess I've been driving my small Diesels in the "digital mode"... full on, full off... So, I tried driving the tug without standing on the pedal all the time... seeing as how the cj-10a engine isn't exactly a powerhouse, and all... so I figured out how far to push the pedal to the point where it just didn't go any faster and pushing it harder just provided me exercise... checked the mileage today. wow. a noticeable difference, even on biodiesel... the last two tanks on bioDiesel in cooler weather have been around 17 mpg... this tank was 19.2. Now, if you figure the difference between the more recent, weaker BioDiesel (my resturaunt sources have been using lower quality oil to save money) versus what I might expect with pump Diesel... I think the tug would be well into the 20's. My '91 300D on BioDiesel was getting around 25 mpg, vs. it's normal 30 mpg (with me driving), that's about a 16% difference... add that to 19.2 and the tug could see 22 mpg in town with adult operation... This is great news for SuperDawg's setup... provided I keep my foot under control. :) The next test would be to try to drive even more economically, but since the tug is so underpowered and slow already I don't know if I could go any slower without causing traffic problems. ;) fwiw, won't be on line much tomorrow, 34th wedding anniversary... later, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3105 *************************