From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Nov 28 15:38:03 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Saturday, November 28 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3114 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: Re: welder/generator options. xj: 4.0L in the wj status xj: Re: [db] how did this spark plug get damaged? xj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts Re: xj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts xj: RE: fsj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts xj: RE: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts Re: xj: RE: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts Re: xj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts RE: fsj: Re: xj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:58:12 -0600 From: "Mike Petersen" Subject: xj: Re: welder/generator options. John, I have a 4K diesel and it runs my Lincoln Weld Pack 100 just fine. Got rid of the gas drive AC welder about two years ago. I still have to Miller 185 Mig in the shop for bigger stuff. Mike Petersen - ----- Original Message ----- From: "diesel john" To: "undisclosed-recipients:" Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 2:33 PM Subject: xj: welder/generator options. > I've got two generators... only need one... well, actually > don't need any, we rarely lose power... BUT, my "shop" doesn't > have the wiring to support a welder. So a generator makes sense, > plus it's portable, can toss it in my truck... no outlet required. ;) > > > Both of my generators are 4.4KW... one is a gas Linconln with the > welder built in, the other is a Diesel electric start, but no welder. > > I've been trying to sell the Diesel Generator, no nibbles... > I just replaced the battery, electric start works nicely... prefer Diesel. > > > so, I'm thinking of selling the (new) gas gen welder and buying a cheap > wire > feed from harbor fright... don't use a welder often and thinking it'll be > fine. > > cheap wire feed or limited stick? > > THE QUESTION FOR THE COLLECTIVE: > ---------------------------------- > > HOW WOULD THE WIRE FEED FROM HARBOR FRIGHT COMPARE TO THE BUILT IN WELDER? > > The duty cycle on the wire feed is less than the Lincoln/gen/weld, but > wire feed is a lot easier to use than a stick welder... > > I think both are limited in how thick they'll weld... if they're about > equal keeping the Diesel and buying the separate wire feed would be my > choice... gasoline stinks and doesn't run as long as Diesel... > > ---------------------------------- > > GAS Gen/Welder - Lincoln Power Arc 4000 - 4.4Kw > brand new... never used... well, ran it for an hour. > had to buy welding cables for it... made them extra long $$ > SPECS: > RATED OUTPUT - WELDER Duty Cycle Amps Volts at Rated Amperes > 30% Duty Cycle 125 20 VAC > 60% Duty Cycle 100 25 VAC > OUTPUT - WELDER AND GENERATOR > Welding Ranges Welder Open Circuit Voltage AC Auxiliary Power > 70 - 125 Amps 62 VAC Max. 4000 Continuous Watts 4400 Surge Watts > > and > > the DIESEL generator (Eastern Tools & Equipment ) 4.4kW, about > 1226 hrs on it. just put a new battery in it, works great... turns right > on. > http://wagoneers.com/tmp/cl-items/DieselGen/JEM_5658_2009_11_14.jpg > > > WIRE FEED SPECS: (on sale for $94.99, normally $150) > ------------------------ > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=98871 > 90 Amp Flux Wire Welder (1.7Kw) > > No Gas Required! 90 Amp flux wire welder specifically designed to use > self-shielding flux-cored welding wire, eliminating any need for gas and > regulators normal MIG welders require. > > * Includes 4" spool of flux-core wire and spare welding tip > * Self-regulating feed control > * Thermal protection with warning light > * Carry handle on lid > * Input: 115 volt, 15 amps, single phase > * Duty cycle: 10% -at- 80 amps, 18% -at- 60 amps > * Wire capacity: 0.030" > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:36:55 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: 4.0L in the wj status pulled the valve cover today on the '00 WJ 4.0... need a special socket for the head bolts... all the valves go up and down... good sign. paul came over and looked at the wj today... we have a theory that the head gasket blew a chunk into #2, that bent the plug (damage wasn't severe to the plug) and the resulting pressure from the cylinder popped the upper rad hose. will chase down the socket tomorrow... in other news, mark got the NP229 swapped in his '85 GW... working good, the case was cracked... the guy came over and test drove the '86 cj-10a... going to bring the 2002 Subaru over for me to check out... may trade. the '89 xj is ready to go, might be gone tomorrow. oh yeah, found a '99 3.0L Mercedes Diesel engine out of a wreck... guy wants $2500 for it... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:52:49 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Re: [db] how did this spark plug get damaged? still haven't gotten the head off... but looking more and more like the head gasket... cranked again, no noise, valves are responding normally (valve cover off...) have to buy a special socket... 13mm star or female torx... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 26 Nov 2009, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # John # # I am surprised the engine still turns over. # # When you pop the head I would hazzard that there is a gasket piece missing # between that cylinder and a cooling port in the block (engine overheating), # that coolant got into the chamber. # Would not be surprised if the top of the piston in that chamber has signs of # overheating, also recommend you pull that piston, check the cylinder walls # for a crack and make sure the con rod has not bent. # # This is probably the worst case scenario. If it is just a gasket and/or # failed pump and the rest of the the engine is not affected you may get lucky. # # Coolant getting into the chamber and the engine trying to compress it will do # strange things. # # Last thought - a burned exhaust valve with a chip in just the right # orientation can cause similar damage to the plug but I would not expect that # to cause the overheating.. # # Love to hear which it is and good luck. # # Edward # # # # diesel john wrote: # > REF: 2000 4.0L in Grand Cherokee.. lost rad hose... overheated and bad head # > gasket... # > # > but trying to figure out what happened to #2 spark plug... # > # > #2 plug suffered greatly... when I get the head off I'll know to what # > #extent... # > # > pictures of the plugs at: # > # > http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/11-Nov-25-Mountains-2000WJrepairs/JEM_5804_2nd-plug-2009_11_24.jpg # > http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/11-Nov-25-Mountains-2000WJrepairs/JEM_5805_2nd-plug-2009_11_24.jpg # > # > # > # > # > # > Pulled the plugs and did a compression test last night. # > # > #1 - 145 # > #2 - ZERO, NADA, Zip... an O with the rim kicked off... # > #3 - 30 # > #4 - 30 # > #5 - 145 # > #6 - didn't bother... # > # > # > pictures of the mountains etc. here: # > # > http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/11-Nov-25-Mountains-2000WJrepairs/ALL.html # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:59:06 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts what is the name or type of socket I need for those headbolts? star? inverse torx??? pretty sure it's 13mm... or could it be 13.5? ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:45:34 +0000 From: wilsoncm-at-gmail.com Subject: Re: xj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts Just a 12 point something. I'm fairly certain it is not metric. On Nov 28, 2009 1:59am, john wrote: > what is the name or type of socket I need for those headbolts? > star? inverse torx??? > pretty sure it's 13mm... or could it be 13.5? ;) > john > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 07:01:00 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: RE: fsj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts Try 1/2" 12 point Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:59:06 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: xj-at-digest.net; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts > > what is the name or type of socket I need for those headbolts? > > star? inverse torx??? > > pretty sure it's 13mm... or could it be 13.5? ;) > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_M FESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:49:35 -0500 From: "Darren K. Page" Subject: xj: RE: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts What no photos??? My BMW motorcycle is full of inverse torx, I think they are usually called e something just like the torx (e and then the number). I had to buy the sockets for it also, and they are metric. Darren - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 1:59 AM To: xj-list; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; full size jeep list Subject: xj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts what is the name or type of socket I need for those headbolts? star? inverse torx??? pretty sure it's 13mm... or could it be 13.5? ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:04:21 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: RE: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts ya, sure, you betcha, we got photos... still in the camera though... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 28 Nov 2009, Darren K. Page wrote: # What no photos??? # # My BMW motorcycle is full of inverse torx, I think they are usually called e # something just like the torx (e and then the number). I had to buy the # sockets for it also, and they are metric. # # Darren # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 1:59 AM # To: xj-list; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; full size jeep list # Subject: xj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts # # what is the name or type of socket I need for those headbolts? # # star? inverse torx??? # # pretty sure it's 13mm... or could it be 13.5? ;) # # john # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:38:23 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts Thanx all... just slipped a 13mm 12-point and a 1/2 inch 12-point. The 1/2 inch 12-point fits tighter... but I didn't have a deep in 1/2, was able to extract a head bolt with the 13mm... taking the bolt to town and buy a 1/2 inch 12 point deep to fit. thanx Jim B. it appears you nailed it. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 28 Nov 2009, wilsoncm-at-gmail.com wrote: # Just a 12 point something. I'm fairly certain it is not metric. # On Nov 28, 2009 1:59am, john wrote: # >what is the name or type of socket I need for those headbolts? # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:36:44 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts Could also be 12mm 12 point > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:38:23 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: wilsoncm-at-gmail.com > CC: xj-at-digest.net; DZAshby-at-comcast.net; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: xj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts > > Thanx all... just slipped a 13mm 12-point and a 1/2 inch 12-point. > > The 1/2 inch 12-point fits tighter... but I didn't have a deep in 1/2, > was able to extract a head bolt with the 13mm... > > taking the bolt to town and buy a 1/2 inch 12 point deep to fit. > > thanx Jim B. it appears you nailed it. > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On Sat, 28 Nov 2009, wilsoncm-at-gmail.com wrote: > # Just a 12 point something. I'm fairly certain it is not metric. > # On Nov 28, 2009 1:59am, john wrote: > # >what is the name or type of socket I need for those headbolts? > # _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3114 *************************