From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Dec 8 15:57:40 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Tuesday, December 8 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3120 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: WSJ - Small-Engine Makers Voice Worry As EPA Weighs New Ethanol Rule (fwd) xj: Re: [db] Other diesel options xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] Other diesel options Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] Other diesel options Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] Other diesel options XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:36:47 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: xj: WSJ - Small-Engine Makers Voice Worry As EPA Weighs New Ethanol Rule (fwd) older engines too will have troubles... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Peter Samson FYI if you own a boat, or anything else with a small gasoline engine (even a generator). Peter http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704825504574580291347674418.html Small-Engine Makers Voice Worry As EPA Weighs New Ethanol Rule By MARK LONG NEW YORK--Boaters and small-engine-industry groups are worried their concerns about engine damage will be overlooked as the Environmental Protection Agency considers allowing as much as 15% ethanol in the nation's gasoline. Since fuel with an ethanol content of as much as 10% has been introduced across the U.S. in recent years, boaters have complained of problems. Now they are lobbying the EPA to test the effects of ethanol on small engines--in addition to the testing being done on car and truck engines--as the regulator weighs increasing the ethanol content. "We don't have the science on it," said Margaret Podlich, vice president of government affairs of the Boat Owners Association of the United States. "We don't know what this will do to marine engines." Backers of allowing additional ethanol in the fuel mix cite reduced greenhouse-gas emissions, the possibility of job creation and the need to meet a federal mandate to increase use of biofuels. The EPA has postponed a final decision on raising the ethanol limit until next year amid concerns among oil companies and vehicle makers. In an emailed statement, the agency said it would look at all data submitted to it for both on-road and nonroad sources, and that testing smaller engines, such as marine outboards, was being discussed. As a solvent, ethanol frees up the gunk in fuel tanks and engines that can clog carburetors and fuel lines. The blended fuel can also cause problems if it separates when stored for lengthy periods--as boats commonly are--creating safety worries, especially when boats are used offshore. Chris Thorne, a spokesman for the ethanol-industry group Growth Energy, said boaters "have a legitimate concern" but noted that the EPA wasn't considering mandating use of 15% ethanol, adding that consumers would have time to prepare and that the different fuel blends would be clearly labeled. "This is not going to be a surprise to anybody," Mr. Thorne said. "We have been through the process of changing fuel systems before." The Outdoor Power Equipment Institute, which represents makers of lawn mowers, chainsaws and other power gear, said it is "deeply concerned," since educating millions of consumers to prevent potentially dangerous misfueling would be "a daunting task." Small-engine makers are particularly concerned about the potential liability associated with accidents or strandings because of engine failures caused by extra ethanol in the fuel mix. Mat Dunn, legislative director of the National Marine Manufacturers Association, said he welcomed the EPA's additional testing but is worried about potential boating-safety problems and complicating the fuel market for consumers. Having ethanol in the fuel "was a disaster for us," said Bill Bahen, executive director of Hudson River Community Sailing in Manhattan. He said the six gasoline outboard engines purchased new last year for the nonprofit sailing school and club's sailboats broke down repeatedly with carburetor and fuel-line problems, and were never all running at the same time this year, disrupting activities. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:47:18 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Re: [db] Other diesel options can't see why not... my '85 xj had a renault 2.1l TD. did ok. would do it again... mixed emotions about parting with that jeep... but that french motor was on the bleeding edge, had a number of issues and was very expensive... had TWO drain plugs... weird... o-rings everywhere instead of gaskets... rubber band for timing... wimpy electrics... feeble vacuum pump... horrible manual trans... but I still loved it... 26 mpg in town... the japanese Diesels aren't high performance, but most of them are industrial strength. this Nissan SD33 I'm running in the cj-10a is one serious industrial unit... timing gears... I'm very happy with the idea of putting one of these into my J10 stepside... would also be a good possibility into an XJ... except for the size... haven't really looked to see if it'll fit... it should... where can you find those Diesels you mentioned? ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # So, would a Mitsubishi 2.3l turbo diesel or the 2.2l Mazda-Perkins turbo # diesel push an XJ? They might be choices to consider... # # Just trying to help sell popcorn... # # ;) # # Jim # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:31:58 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] Other diesel options You can find those motors in Mitsubishi/Dodge trucks and the Mazda and Mitsubishi motors were both found in Rangers. Id sooner run a Toyota 2lt or vw turbo 5 cyl than those 2 motors > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:47:18 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: jslash-at-sbcglobal.net > CC: xj-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Other diesel options > > can't see why not... my '85 xj had a renault 2.1l TD. did ok. would do it > again... mixed emotions about parting with that jeep... but that french > motor was on the bleeding edge, had a number of issues and was very expensive... > had TWO drain plugs... weird... o-rings everywhere instead of gaskets... rubber > band for timing... wimpy electrics... feeble vacuum pump... horrible manual > trans... but I still loved it... 26 mpg in town... > > the japanese Diesels aren't high performance, but most of them are industrial strength. > > this Nissan SD33 I'm running in the cj-10a is one serious industrial unit... timing gears... > I'm very happy with the idea of putting one of these into my J10 stepside... would also > be a good possibility into an XJ... except for the size... haven't really looked to see if > it'll fit... it should... > > where can you find those Diesels you mentioned? > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # So, would a Mitsubishi 2.3l turbo diesel or the 2.2l Mazda-Perkins turbo > # diesel push an XJ? They might be choices to consider... > # > # Just trying to help sell popcorn... > # > # ;) > # > # Jim > # _________________________________________________________________ Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=xbox+games&scope=cashback&form=MSHYCB&p ubl=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Shopping_Giftsforthem_cashback_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:54:01 +0000 From: allenzylstra-at-hotmail.com Subject: Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] Other diesel options Isuzu diesels are probably better size wise. I think they have a 2.8 litre 4cyl. - ------Original Message------ From: Jim Blair Sender: owner-xj-at-digest.net To: john To: Jim Hoffman Cc: xj-list Cc: full size jeep list Cc: diesel-benz list ReplyTo: xj-at-digest.net Subject: xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] Other diesel options Sent: Dec 8, 2009 4:31 PM You can find those motors in Mitsubishi/Dodge trucks and the Mazda and Mitsubishi motors were both found in Rangers. Id sooner run a Toyota 2lt or vw turbo 5 cyl than those 2 motors > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:47:18 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: jslash-at-sbcglobal.net > CC: xj-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Other diesel options > > can't see why not... my '85 xj had a renault 2.1l TD. did ok. would do it > again... mixed emotions about parting with that jeep... but that french > motor was on the bleeding edge, had a number of issues and was very expensive... > had TWO drain plugs... weird... o-rings everywhere instead of gaskets... rubber > band for timing... wimpy electrics... feeble vacuum pump... horrible manual > trans... but I still loved it... 26 mpg in town... > > the japanese Diesels aren't high performance, but most of them are industrial strength. > > this Nissan SD33 I'm running in the cj-10a is one serious industrial unit... timing gears... > I'm very happy with the idea of putting one of these into my J10 stepside... would also > be a good possibility into an XJ... except for the size... haven't really looked to see if > it'll fit... it should... > > where can you find those Diesels you mentioned? > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # So, would a Mitsubishi 2.3l turbo diesel or the 2.2l Mazda-Perkins turbo > # diesel push an XJ? They might be choices to consider... > # > # Just trying to help sell popcorn... > # > # ;) > # > # Jim > # _________________________________________________________________ Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=xbox+games&scope=cashback&form=MSHYCB&p ubl=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Shopping_Giftsforthem_cashback_1x1 Sent on the Sprint. Now Network from my BlackBerry. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:57:15 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] Other diesel options both toyota and vw use rubber bands... you want a Diesel engine with a timing CHAIN or gears. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # You can find those motors in Mitsubishi/Dodge trucks and the Mazda and # Mitsubishi motors were both found in Rangers. # Id sooner run a Toyota 2lt or vw turbo 5 cyl than those 2 motors # # > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:47:18 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: jslash-at-sbcglobal.net # > CC: xj-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Other diesel options # > # > can't see why not... my '85 xj had a renault 2.1l TD. did ok. would do it # > again... mixed emotions about parting with that jeep... but that french # > motor was on the bleeding edge, had a number of issues and was very # expensive... # > had TWO drain plugs... weird... o-rings everywhere instead of gaskets... # rubber # > band for timing... wimpy electrics... feeble vacuum pump... horrible manual # > trans... but I still loved it... 26 mpg in town... # > # > the japanese Diesels aren't high performance, but most of them are # industrial strength. # > # > this Nissan SD33 I'm running in the cj-10a is one serious industrial unit... # timing gears... # > I'm very happy with the idea of putting one of these into my J10 stepside... # would also # > be a good possibility into an XJ... except for the size... haven't really # looked to see if # > it'll fit... it should... # > # > where can you find those Diesels you mentioned? # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # So, would a Mitsubishi 2.3l turbo diesel or the 2.2l Mazda-Perkins turbo # > # diesel push an XJ? They might be choices to consider... # > # # > # Just trying to help sell popcorn... # > # # > # ;) # > # # > # Jim # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. # http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=xbox+games&scope=cashback&form=MSHYCB&p # ubl=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Shopping_Giftsforthem_cashback_1x1 # ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3120 *************************