From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Dec 18 17:52:39 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Saturday, December 19 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3125 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: popcorn status... xj: RE: fsj: popcorn status... RE: xj: RE: fsj: just one part... xj: RE: fsj: popcorn status... xj: Diesel covered popcorn thoughts... xj: [db] the '87 300TD (fwd) XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:02:03 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: xj: popcorn status... another month and year draws near to completion... and my J10 stepside is still incomplete... when it is finished it will be superb... question is, and has been since spring 2001... when? the friend who is working on it is doing an excellent job... but has other priorities and distractions. meanwhile, I've got my own projects and procrastions to deal with... :) I know that whatever I get will have to have the following: - Diesel - a/c * - 4 wheel drive (or the ability to escape clearview in snow - somewhat optional) - ability to haul WVO - ability to run on BioDiesel and/or WVO - prefer Automatic currently being tempted by a pair of '87 Mercedes Diesels... one is an estate wagon with nearly 300K on the clock and a bad a/c... and the other is an $18k 300GD with a manual trans... of course not having the money and a drive full of jeeps and Mercedes kind of limits fulfillment of either temptation... mercifully... which brings up a question: * - do those clamp on spike-spiders work? are they worth it? http://www.spikes-spiders.com/productInfo/ john - --------- in the drive: (not counting the '85 300d/'85 GW my son has) '86 CJ-10A Diesel - driven daily, but if kept needs a/c and a turbo - for sale '89 XJ limited - gas - for sale '00 WJ Laredo 4.0L I6 - gas - getting new engine - for sale '91 300D - Diesel - excellent '99 WJ Laredo 4.7L V8 - gas - road trips/hauls trailer '75 J10 hydraulic dump trailer - weighs 2,000lbs... may sell when J10 is done within the state: '83 J10 Stepside - getting an SD33T/TF727/NP208 with 3.54 dana 44 axles... when????? giving some thought to: '87 300TD wagon, '87 300GD ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:22:21 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: RE: fsj: popcorn status... Spider spikes are okay for small cars. Wouldn't trust them on a truck tho. Remember my home made snow cables of a couple years ago? http://m6.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/carnuck/Comanche/DSC02839.jpg.html > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:02:03 -0800 > From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net > To: > Subject: fsj: popcorn status... > > another month and year draws near to completion... and my J10 stepside is still incomplete... > when it is finished it will be superb... question is, and has been since spring 2001... when? > the friend who is working on it is doing an excellent job... but has other priorities and distractions. > > meanwhile, I've got my own projects and procrastions to deal with... :) > > I know that whatever I get will have to have the following: > - Diesel > - a/c > * - 4 wheel drive (or the ability to escape clearview in snow - somewhat optional) > - ability to haul WVO > - ability to run on BioDiesel and/or WVO > - prefer Automatic > > currently being tempted by a pair of '87 Mercedes Diesels... one is an estate wagon with nearly 300K on the clock > and a bad a/c... and the other is an $18k 300GD with a manual trans... of course not having the > money and a drive full of jeeps and Mercedes kind of limits fulfillment of either temptation... mercifully... > > > which brings up a question: * - do those clamp on spike-spiders work? are they worth it? > http://www.spikes-spiders.com/productInfo/ > > > john > > --------- > in the drive: (not counting the '85 300d/'85 GW my son has) > '86 CJ-10A Diesel - driven daily, but if kept needs a/c and a turbo - for sale > '89 XJ limited - gas - for sale > '00 WJ Laredo 4.0L I6 - gas - getting new engine - for sale > > '91 300D - Diesel - excellent > '99 WJ Laredo 4.7L V8 - gas - road trips/hauls trailer > '75 J10 hydraulic dump trailer - weighs 2,000lbs... may sell when J10 is done > > within the state: '83 J10 Stepside - getting an SD33T/TF727/NP208 with 3.54 dana 44 axles... when????? > > giving some thought to: '87 300TD wagon, '87 300GD > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:34:04 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: xj: RE: fsj: just one part... My son and his GF had terror on I5 a couple years back when the Peugeot BA 10/5 popped into 2 gears at once and the XJ skidded to a halt where I5 and W Seattle highway connect southbound (very poor visibility area due to overpasses, etc) he whipped up a ratchet off the floor, which just happened to have the right size socket and got the shifter off & banged the trans into second so they got off the highway before being hit. They did lose the pass side mirror. > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:52:18 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: xj-at-digest.net > CC: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: xj: RE: fsj: just one part... > > speaking of terror on I-405... on my '67 Wagoneer my tachometer > caught fire and killed the engine... in rush hour traffic... just > north of the infamous Renton S-curves... went from the fast lane > to the jersey barrier limited shoulder with no power... no power > steering, no power brakes... smoke rolling out from under the hood > and dash... how I got that 4,800lb beast to the shoulder with out > removing a few econoboxes from the market was anyone's guess... > > in over 35 years of driving I've had very, very few horses die under me... > and I've been able to limp them into a rest stop or the shoulder every time... > > let's see, besides the tach fire, lost a camshaft on two vehicles, blew > a tranny, run out of gas, had an oil ring fail that fouled a plug, and of > course the most interesting self-inflicted wound, a clogged Diesel filter... > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, ernest breakfield wrote: > > # i once had a TPS issue with our '94 4.0 where the info from the TPS was > # causing the trans to shift oddly,... not a big deal in terms of > # availability, cost, or ease of replacement, but it naturally happened > # when we were in a desert several hundred miles from home,...! cleaning > # up the plug got it to where it behaved for the most part most of the way > # home, and it was cooperative enough that it didn't *really* freak out > # until i was actually in the Parts Dept parking lot. ;-) > # (note that ours is the later model that doesn't have any provisions > # for adjustment.) > # > # CPS; only been through one so far, though losing that while in the > # first lane of the freeway at speed with traffic ahead and behind and a > # semi to your right can be an eye-opening experience. > # > # EGR? never heard of a problem with that system,... i did replace all > # replace all the orifices and hose as part of the service kit some years > # ago, but was surprised to find out how clean everything was when i took > # it out. (i'm theorizing that it may have had something to do with the > # fact that i've run almost exclusively synthetic oil since about 30K > # miles, but don't want to start another Dreaded Oil Thread!) > # > # > # cheers! > # e > # > # '94 XJ > # Berkeley, CA > # > # > # john wrote: > # > I've seen two issues related to the TPS. Only other show stopper in my experience has been the CPS. > # > > # > Never had a problem with the EGR... > # > > # > the 4.0 is pretty easy to deal with... modular for the most part... I'll take a 4.0L over > # > any of the AMC v8s or carb'd equipped engines... > # > > # > I only wish the 4.7V8 used in the WJ wasn't so computer dependent... or that they had done > # > more to centralize the computer system... would be a superb swap for an FSJ. > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # > On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Michel Balea wrote: > # > > # > # > # > # > # > # The TPS is a constant source of opinions. As they are different between the auto and the manual transmission for part # and for adjustment, and 6 and 4 cyl are different as well. > # > # I used paper clips to reach the electrical connector for testing. > # > # > # > # I believe that the other source headache is the EGR. > # > # > # > # Cheers > # > # > # > # Michel > # > # > # > # > Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:03:43 -0800 > # > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > # > To: xj-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; bmax65-at-yahoo.com; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; bull2-at-verizon.net; DZAshby-at-comcast.net; grhubert-at-sbcglobal.net; urban.farmer-at-verizon.net; k9radio-at-att.net; kevin-at-mordred.punk.net; mk_camper-at-yahoo.com; mike-at-graydogdesign.com; lasikeyes-at-msn.com; cyberwes-at-qwestoffice.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > # > # > Subject: fsj: just one part... > # > # > > # > # > just one part can make such a difference... > # > # > > # > # > just swapped out the TPS - Throttle Position Sensor > # > # > on the '89 XJ limited with the 4.0L. > # > # > http://wagoneers.com/XJ/tech/WIRING/TPS-adjustment.html > # > # > The new one had 4.62v, so we adjusted to 3.84 or whatever > # > # > .83 was of the first voltage... > # > # > > # > # > wow. > # > # > > # > # > if it weren't raining there would be tire smoke > # > # > from here to the albertsons in clearview... and back... :) > # > # > Easily passed uphill traffic and quickly exceeded the limit... > # > # > > # > # > still a few more issues with it, but it's now officially saleable. > # > # > > # > # > I can let it out of the shop with the remaining issues and > # > # > not worry about some poor soul being stranded by it... no > # > # > stalling, incredible throttle response... could easily spin > # > # > the tires.... oh... just realized something... I was in > # > # > full time 4wd, no wonder I couldn't to a power brake burnout... > # > # > shoot... maybe I need to go out and try it again in 2wd. :) > # > # > forgot about it being in 4wd... > # > # > > # > # > now... to move onto the '00 WJ... have that nice '04 4.0L out > # > # > of a Rubicon with only 28k on it sitting on my shop crane... and > # > # > the temps are in the comfortable range again... maybe this > # > # > saturday... :) > # > # > > # > # > john > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > ----- > # > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > # > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # > # Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > # > # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ > # _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:22:35 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: RE: fsj: popcorn status... thinking for a 124 series Mercedes Diesel... no, not going to attach a come-a-long to my benz... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # Spider spikes are okay for small cars. Wouldn't trust them on a truck tho. # Remember my home made snow cables of a couple years ago? # # http://m6.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/carnuck/Comanche/DSC02839.jpg.html # # > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:02:03 -0800 # > From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net # > To: # > Subject: fsj: popcorn status... # > # > another month and year draws near to completion... and my J10 stepside is # still incomplete... # > when it is finished it will be superb... question is, and has been since # spring 2001... when? # > the friend who is working on it is doing an excellent job... but has other # priorities and distractions. # > # > meanwhile, I've got my own projects and procrastions to deal with... :) # > # > I know that whatever I get will have to have the following: # > - Diesel # > - a/c # > * - 4 wheel drive (or the ability to escape clearview in snow - somewhat # optional) # > - ability to haul WVO # > - ability to run on BioDiesel and/or WVO # > - prefer Automatic # > # > currently being tempted by a pair of '87 Mercedes Diesels... one is an # estate wagon with nearly 300K on the clock # > and a bad a/c... and the other is an $18k 300GD with a manual trans... of # course not having the # > money and a drive full of jeeps and Mercedes kind of limits fulfillment of # either temptation... mercifully... # > # > # > which brings up a question: * - do those clamp on spike-spiders work? are # they worth it? # > http://www.spikes-spiders.com/productInfo/ # > # > # > john # > # > --------- # > in the drive: (not counting the '85 300d/'85 GW my son has) # > '86 CJ-10A Diesel - driven daily, but if kept needs a/c and a turbo - for # sale # > '89 XJ limited - gas - for sale # > '00 WJ Laredo 4.0L I6 - gas - getting new engine - for sale # > # > '91 300D - Diesel - excellent # > '99 WJ Laredo 4.7L V8 - gas - road trips/hauls trailer # > '75 J10 hydraulic dump trailer - weighs 2,000lbs... may sell when J10 is # done # > # > within the state: '83 J10 Stepside - getting an SD33T/TF727/NP208 with 3.54 # dana 44 axles... when????? # > # > giving some thought to: '87 300TD wagon, '87 300GD # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:45:50 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: xj: Diesel covered popcorn thoughts... with the latest update on superdawg being quite depressing... as in no further progress... body still in pieces... engine not in the frame... etc. I'm thinking about other options... whatever the end result, it's got to be Diesel. While I would love to get that '87 300GD on CL, I don't have $18k. And my wife won't let me borrow the money... But that leaves a couple other variations: 1) the '87 300TD - need to look at this one, if it's decent I may go for it. http://wagoneers.com/tmp/300TD/ALL.html It needs an a/c pump... and it'll be easy enough to sell when, and if, my J10 is ever finished. 2) TOTALLY CRAZY: pull the engine/trans out of the CJ-10A and put it in the '89 XJ limited, then put the 4.0 into the tug The 4.0 in the tug would be a lot of fun... but not sure if the SD33 will fit in the '89 XJ or not... should be a pretty simple swap, no large hammers or extensive welding involved. Downside is that the XJ needs some cosmetic stuff... and isn't well suited for hauling WVO. A lot of work... I still need to finish the swap on the 2000 WJ... warmer weather is good... Saturday is shot though, my daughter gave us tickets to a show in Bellevue Saturday night... might be able to work on it early in the day... we'll see... The J10 step side with the SD33T is still the best option, but as my son says... my J10 doesn't exist... after 8 years I'm beginning to think he's right... :( really bums me out... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:52:08 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: [db] the '87 300TD (fwd) thought I'd share these pix with the xj and fsj list to get more input on this car... thoughts? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: diesel john drove over at lunch to look at the '87 300TD with 297k on the clock... car started life in CT... does have indications of life back east... detailed pictures... the guy is asking $3k for this car... says he's firm... my wife hates the color. the guy said it blows about 6% (out of 20%) opacity on emissions... that's good... my '91 300D blew 2%... my '86 CJ-10A with 40k blew 1%. http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/1987-300TD-blue/ALL.html http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/1987-300TD-blue/ENGINE_BAY_300TD/ALL.html http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/1987-300TD-blue/UNDER_300TD/ALL.html soliciting the wisdom of the list... haven't driven it yet, but the guy seems to be a straight shooter and says it runs great... from the looks of it, I believe him. has heated seats... I see some rust and body damage... my use of this car would be for hauling WVO/BioDiesel and driving daily... expect 24-30mpg. thoughts? thanx, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3125 *************************