From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Dec 20 04:14:48 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Sunday, December 20 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3126 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: 4.0L removal Re: xj: 4.0L removal Re: xj: 4.0L removal Re: xj: 4.0L removal xj: RE: fsj: 4.0L removal Re: xj: 4.0L removal Re: xj: 4.0L removal XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:28:15 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: 4.0L removal mark and I have been working on the '00 WJ today... trying to decide if removing the front facia would buy us anything... we're having a miserable time just getting the radiator out... it's like they built the jeep around the radiator... the 10mm bolts that hold the fan shroud on are inaccessible on the driver's side and the lower one a significant challenge... we're thinking of cutting the shroud on the lower driver's side, or making an opening with the dremel tool.. or pull the radiator out without the a/c... nothing is coming out easily... my concern is getting this all back in place... supposed I could just disconnect the a/c lines and have the system recharged later... so, anyone have any suggestions on how to get a 4.0 out of a '00 WJ? :) anyone ever pulled an engine in a WJ? Any tips, any pointers? the factory manual clearly states that the engine can be removed without taking the radiator out. have the fan loose already, removed the ps pump, alt, and a/c compressor from the engine... guess I could just attempt to lift the engine out as is... would be nice to have that rad out of the way... done for today... daughter scored some free tickets to the nutcracker, heading down to the eastside in a couple hours for that... the temptation is to rent the tow dolly and drag this thing over to a shop and have them deal with it... oh yeah, need that special tool to get the fuel line off as well... and really have a strong dislike for those connectors with the red safety tab... and having to listen to my son go on about how much easier his '67 fairlane and '74 javelin was to work on and have him asking if we can just break that part off... arrghhhhh.... :) why do I take on these insane projects??? sure I can... learn a lot... but why oh why do I continue to engage in such insanity... a car payment isn't that bad, is it? ;) oh well... thanx for the info... well wishes... time to rotate your popcorn. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:36:48 -0800 From: Kevin Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L removal I've pulled two 4.0s from two XJs without removing the radiator. Put a piece of something hard to protect the radiator between the engine and radiator if you think it might hit. The third XJ we removed the entire front fascia and rolled the jeep away from and back onto the engine. We were swapping the transmission and transfercase at the same time though. This was a LOT easier, but probably not worth the effort unless you're replacing everything like we were. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 03:28:15PM -0800, john wrote: > mark and I have been working on the '00 WJ today... trying to decide if removing > the front facia would buy us anything... we're having a miserable time just getting > the radiator out... it's like they built the jeep around the radiator... the 10mm > bolts that hold the fan shroud on are inaccessible on the driver's side and the lower > one a significant challenge... we're thinking of cutting the shroud on the lower driver's > side, or making an opening with the dremel tool.. or pull the radiator out without > the a/c... nothing is coming out easily... my concern is getting this all back in place... > supposed I could just disconnect the a/c lines and have the system recharged later... > > so, anyone have any suggestions on how to get a 4.0 out of a '00 WJ? :) > > anyone ever pulled an engine in a WJ? Any tips, any pointers? > > the factory manual clearly states that the engine can be removed without taking the radiator > out. have the fan loose already, removed the ps pump, alt, and a/c compressor > from the engine... guess I could just attempt to lift the engine out as is... > would be nice to have that rad out of the way... > > done for today... daughter scored some free tickets to the nutcracker, heading > down to the eastside in a couple hours for that... > > the temptation is to rent the tow dolly and drag this thing over to a shop and > have them deal with it... oh yeah, need that special tool to get the fuel line off > as well... and really have a strong dislike for those connectors with the red safety > tab... and having to listen to my son go on about how much easier his '67 fairlane > and '74 javelin was to work on and have him asking if we can just break that part off... > > arrghhhhh.... > > :) why do I take on these insane projects??? sure I can... learn a lot... but why oh why do > I continue to engage in such insanity... a car payment isn't that bad, is it? ;) > > oh well... thanx for the info... well wishes... time to rotate your popcorn. > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:10:28 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L removal pulling the front fascia has been considered... but I'd like to leave the a/c in place... so there's no point. I'd like to remove the fan shroud, but there is one bolt (out of 4) that is nearly impossible... I need some really flexible sockets... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, Kevin wrote: # I've pulled two 4.0s from two XJs without removing the radiator. Put a piece of # something hard to protect the radiator between the engine and radiator if you # think it might hit. # # The third XJ we removed the entire front fascia and rolled the jeep away from # and back onto the engine. We were swapping the transmission and transfercase # at the same time though. This was a LOT easier, but probably not worth the # effort unless you're replacing everything like we were. # # On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 03:28:15PM -0800, john wrote: # > mark and I have been working on the '00 WJ today... trying to decide if removing # > the front facia would buy us anything... we're having a miserable time just getting # > the radiator out... it's like they built the jeep around the radiator... the 10mm # > bolts that hold the fan shroud on are inaccessible on the driver's side and the lower # > one a significant challenge... we're thinking of cutting the shroud on the lower driver's # > side, or making an opening with the dremel tool.. or pull the radiator out without # > the a/c... nothing is coming out easily... my concern is getting this all back in place... # > supposed I could just disconnect the a/c lines and have the system recharged later... # > # > so, anyone have any suggestions on how to get a 4.0 out of a '00 WJ? :) # > # > anyone ever pulled an engine in a WJ? Any tips, any pointers? # > # > the factory manual clearly states that the engine can be removed without taking the radiator # > out. have the fan loose already, removed the ps pump, alt, and a/c compressor # > from the engine... guess I could just attempt to lift the engine out as is... # > would be nice to have that rad out of the way... # > # > done for today... daughter scored some free tickets to the nutcracker, heading # > down to the eastside in a couple hours for that... # > # > the temptation is to rent the tow dolly and drag this thing over to a shop and # > have them deal with it... oh yeah, need that special tool to get the fuel line off # > as well... and really have a strong dislike for those connectors with the red safety # > tab... and having to listen to my son go on about how much easier his '67 fairlane # > and '74 javelin was to work on and have him asking if we can just break that part off... # > # > arrghhhhh.... # > # > :) why do I take on these insane projects??? sure I can... learn a lot... but why oh why do # > I continue to engage in such insanity... a car payment isn't that bad, is it? ;) # > # > oh well... thanx for the info... well wishes... time to rotate your popcorn. # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:55:15 -0800 From: Kevin Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L removal The two most used categories of tools for all three engine extractions were gear wrenches and wobble extensions. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 06:10:28PM -0800, john wrote: > pulling the front fascia has been considered... but I'd like to leave > the a/c in place... so there's no point. > > I'd like to remove the fan shroud, but there is one bolt (out of 4) that > is nearly impossible... > > I need some really flexible sockets... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:47:31 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: RE: fsj: 4.0L removal Haven't done one that new yet. Work has been sucking up a lot of hours and what little time I've had left has been spent on cabin improvements (should be livable full time by summer) and fixing friends/family member's vehicles. I had to take a torch and notch the frame horn on the passenger's side to straighten out my daughter-in-law's '95 XJ enough to mount a new radiator. Now I just need to finish bleeding the clutch on my old '86 MJ and deliver it to have 2 spaces cleared in my yard! (then I have to bring home my son's LHD DJ5 to sell for him) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:28:15 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net; jonkessler-at-hotmail.com; jipc-at-comcast.net; timesawastin-at-bigpond.com; fish-at-wagoneers.com; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com > CC: DZAshby-at-comcast.net > Subject: fsj: 4.0L removal > > mark and I have been working on the '00 WJ today... trying to decide if removing > the front facia would buy us anything... we're having a miserable time just getting > the radiator out... it's like they built the jeep around the radiator... the 10mm > bolts that hold the fan shroud on are inaccessible on the driver's side and the lower > one a significant challenge... we're thinking of cutting the shroud on the lower driver's > side, or making an opening with the dremel tool.. or pull the radiator out without > the a/c... nothing is coming out easily... my concern is getting this all back in place... > supposed I could just disconnect the a/c lines and have the system recharged later... > > so, anyone have any suggestions on how to get a 4.0 out of a '00 WJ? :) > > anyone ever pulled an engine in a WJ? Any tips, any pointers? > > the factory manual clearly states that the engine can be removed without taking the radiator > out. have the fan loose already, removed the ps pump, alt, and a/c compressor > from the engine... guess I could just attempt to lift the engine out as is... > would be nice to have that rad out of the way... > > done for today... daughter scored some free tickets to the nutcracker, heading > down to the eastside in a couple hours for that... > > the temptation is to rent the tow dolly and drag this thing over to a shop and > have them deal with it... oh yeah, need that special tool to get the fuel line off > as well... and really have a strong dislike for those connectors with the red safety > tab... and having to listen to my son go on about how much easier his '67 fairlane > and '74 javelin was to work on and have him asking if we can just break that part off... > > arrghhhhh.... > > :) why do I take on these insane projects??? sure I can... learn a lot... but why oh why do > I continue to engage in such insanity... a car payment isn't that bad, is it? ;) > > oh well... thanx for the info... well wishes... time to rotate your popcorn. > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:38:44 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L removal my gear wrenches aren't good enough, oh, wait, I forgot about the one set. ;) wobble extensions won't work on this one bolt... I can see it, but it's right by the front support, has to be short socket with a wobble right there... saw some of these at the tranny shop... yes, found them, these are what I need: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tug/2009_May_12-shift-kit-n-NP208-trans-shop/JEM_8732.jpg http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tug/2009_May_12-shift-kit-n-NP208-trans-shop/JEM_8733.jpg maybe I'll wonder over to sears tomorrow... I bought the fuel line tool at shucks/oreillys, got the $7.99 pack with all the plastic sizes... it was that or pay $14 for one metal one... got both fuel lines off... it was counter intuitive... I was pushing on the plastic tool thinking it would go with the line... it didn't... it stayed on the main tube... had to pull the hose off... weird... I miss hose clamps and normal connections... but not much. Just need to learn the new ways, they are in many ways an improvement. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, Kevin wrote: # The two most used categories of tools for all three engine extractions were # gear wrenches and wobble extensions. # # On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 06:10:28PM -0800, john wrote: # > pulling the front fascia has been considered... but I'd like to leave # > the a/c in place... so there's no point. # > # > I'd like to remove the fan shroud, but there is one bolt (out of 4) that # > is nearly impossible... # > # > I need some really flexible sockets... # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 07:11:25 -0500 From: "Don Hansen" Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L removal I'm guessing the WJ rad will have to come out: The 4.0 sits further back under the body in the WJ than in the XJ, so it'll have to come forward before it comes out. - -Don - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin" Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:36 PM To: Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L removal > I've pulled two 4.0s from two XJs without removing the radiator. Put a > piece of > something hard to protect the radiator between the engine and radiator if > you > think it might hit. > > The third XJ we removed the entire front fascia and rolled the jeep away > from > and back onto the engine. We were swapping the transmission and > transfercase > at the same time though. This was a LOT easier, but probably not worth the > effort unless you're replacing everything like we were. > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 03:28:15PM -0800, john wrote: >> mark and I have been working on the '00 WJ today... trying to decide if >> removing >> the front facia would buy us anything... we're having a miserable time >> just getting >> the radiator out... it's like they built the jeep around the radiator... >> the 10mm >> bolts that hold the fan shroud on are inaccessible on the driver's side >> and the lower >> one a significant challenge... we're thinking of cutting the shroud on >> the lower driver's >> side, or making an opening with the dremel tool.. or pull the radiator >> out without >> the a/c... nothing is coming out easily... my concern is getting this all >> back in place... >> supposed I could just disconnect the a/c lines and have the system >> recharged later... >> >> so, anyone have any suggestions on how to get a 4.0 out of a '00 WJ? :) >> >> anyone ever pulled an engine in a WJ? Any tips, any pointers? >> >> the factory manual clearly states that the engine can be removed without >> taking the radiator >> out. have the fan loose already, removed the ps pump, alt, and a/c >> compressor >> from the engine... guess I could just attempt to lift the engine out as >> is... >> would be nice to have that rad out of the way... >> >> done for today... daughter scored some free tickets to the nutcracker, >> heading >> down to the eastside in a couple hours for that... >> >> the temptation is to rent the tow dolly and drag this thing over to a >> shop and >> have them deal with it... oh yeah, need that special tool to get the fuel >> line off >> as well... and really have a strong dislike for those connectors with >> the red safety >> tab... and having to listen to my son go on about how much easier his '67 >> fairlane >> and '74 javelin was to work on and have him asking if we can just break >> that part off... >> >> arrghhhhh.... >> >> :) why do I take on these insane projects??? sure I can... learn a >> lot... but why oh why do >> I continue to engage in such insanity... a car payment isn't that bad, is >> it? ;) >> >> oh well... thanx for the info... well wishes... time to rotate your >> popcorn. >> >> >> >> ----- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org >> http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3126 *************************