From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Dec 31 23:09:06 2009 From: xj-digest xj-digest Friday, January 1 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3133 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: happy new year Re: xj: 4.0L swap... stopped... time for a WVO run... need my J10 Re: xj: 4.0L swap... stopped... time for a WVO run... need my J10 Re: xj: 4.0L swap... stopped... time for a WVO run... need my J10 Re: xj: 4.0L swap... stopped... time for a WVO run... need my J10 xj: Re: [db] happy new year xj: administrivia: notes on using this list XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:30:18 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: xj: happy new year wishing all my gear head friends a very happy new year... may all your projects go well in the next year... keep the popcorn fresh, that reminds me, I'm out of popcorn... :) john current status: - - 83 J10 step side - not together yet... but NEED it desperately... come on Curtis!!! - - 91 300D - needs new alarm system remote or system swapped out...has new glow plug (hand still sore) - - 99 WJ - working well, but needs a heater core at some point - - 75 j10 hydraulic trailer, needs new battery, filled with composted topsoil... - - 86 cj-10a - SOLD on Monday! - just sold the ballast for $300 to a blacksmith... - - 89 xj - waiting for the title, needs windshield, stereo and some TLC, once my J10 is done - for sale - - 00 WJ - oh so close to having the new engine in... hauling it to the shop next week, for sale soon ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:21:34 -0800 From: Kevin Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L swap... stopped... time for a WVO run... need my J10 Had a similar problem on my brother's jeep doing the engine swap. Had to drop the trans, install engine, then reinstall trans. With the trans unbolted, it lined up surprisingly easy. Surprisingly easy, in that a clutch I did on an earlier XJ was far more of a pain. Or, one of the engines is from a year and model where it was cast different than the other, and the blocks will not interchange. I'm fairly certain that there's a range of blocks from a grand that won't go into an XJ. Whether that's ZJ or WJ I don't remember. On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 06:08:54PM -0800, john wrote: > I've officially stopped working on the WJ... :) it's going to the shop next > week on a hook, flatbed or tow dolly... have it so close... three > of us couldn't get it... we have one bolt started, one motor mount started... > but things are so cockeyed in there the shop will likely remove everything and start over. > > the uniframe on the wj and xj doesn't allow for easy stuff like that Joe... :) > > so, I have everything tied up, tools packed away... > It may need the manifolds swapped too. > Not sure, but the exhaust pipes may be further > back on the WJ than on the Rubicon... > > have all the stuff for both engines so it's not a worry. > Shouldn't cost as much to have it finished up > as having them do the entire thing... we'll see... don't care at this point. :) > > I was going to get some stuff done on the XJ before the break was over... not > sure what will be open on Saturday... > > need to make a WVO run now... dang, don't have a truck... guess I'll use garbage > bags over the buckets in the trunk of the benz..... > > curtis, hurry up, need my J10 finished... :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:23:46 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L swap... stopped... time for a WVO run... need my J10 The flanges are the same on both blocks. The block from the 2000 WJ is sitting in the yard, just north of where the ballast was... the torque converter shield fit perfectly on the back of the 2004 Rubicon block... ...however, I did notice that the exhaust pipes don't seem to line up and the motor mounts mount differently... so I may have to replace the exhaust manifolds to make it all work, just another reason to take it to startups... he has good air tools and a bigger shop. everything else pretty much matches right up. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Kevin wrote: # Had a similar problem on my brother's jeep doing the engine swap. Had to drop # the trans, install engine, then reinstall trans. With the trans unbolted, it # lined up surprisingly easy. Surprisingly easy, in that a clutch I did on an # earlier XJ was far more of a pain. # # Or, one of the engines is from a year and model where it was cast different # than the other, and the blocks will not interchange. I'm fairly certain that # there's a range of blocks from a grand that won't go into an XJ. Whether that's # ZJ or WJ I don't remember. # # On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 06:08:54PM -0800, john wrote: # > I've officially stopped working on the WJ... :) it's going to the shop next # > week on a hook, flatbed or tow dolly... have it so close... three # > of us couldn't get it... we have one bolt started, one motor mount started... # > but things are so cockeyed in there the shop will likely remove everything and start over. # > # > the uniframe on the wj and xj doesn't allow for easy stuff like that Joe... :) # > # > so, I have everything tied up, tools packed away... # > It may need the manifolds swapped too. # > Not sure, but the exhaust pipes may be further # > back on the WJ than on the Rubicon... # > # > have all the stuff for both engines so it's not a worry. # > Shouldn't cost as much to have it finished up # > as having them do the entire thing... we'll see... don't care at this point. :) # > # > I was going to get some stuff done on the XJ before the break was over... not # > sure what will be open on Saturday... # > # > need to make a WVO run now... dang, don't have a truck... guess I'll use garbage # > bags over the buckets in the trunk of the benz..... # > # > curtis, hurry up, need my J10 finished... :) # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:26:53 -0800 From: Kevin Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L swap... stopped... time for a WVO run... need my J10 On an XJ, "motor mounts mount up differently" is translated to "unless you plan on modifications, don't try this". I'm not the only one who has tripped over this, and think there's something different about the frame that makes it not a bolt-in without an adapter of some sort (which there isn't really room for). I would absolutely make sure that someone else has verified the TJ's block casting number has gone into a WJ of your vintage before spending a bunch of money on labor to find out it's not a bolt-in. A WJ and TJ both use a 42RE, I wouldn't expect the transmission side to be the issue. On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 08:23:46PM -0800, john wrote: > The flanges are the same on both blocks. The block from the 2000 WJ is sitting > in the yard, just north of where the ballast was... the torque converter shield > fit perfectly on the back of the 2004 Rubicon block... > > ...however, I did notice that the exhaust pipes don't seem to line up and > the motor mounts mount differently... so I may have to replace the exhaust manifolds > to make it all work, just another reason to take it to startups... he has > good air tools and a bigger shop. > > everything else pretty much matches right up. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:18:55 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L swap... stopped... time for a WVO run... need my J10 the mounts have been put on and compared to the original block... match up just dandy... although the bolt holes had dirt in them. ;) imagine that... a Jeep engine with dirt in the unused bolt holes... for shame. ;) I've been moving parts back and forth between the two blocks... all is fine... chrysler didn't do a lot different between the models as far as I can tell. the guy I got the engine from also verified that the 4.0s were the same. no worries... late model stuff may be a bit less hassle than the older iron... my problem was trying to get things lined up with out proper tools... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Kevin wrote: # On an XJ, "motor mounts mount up differently" is translated to "unless you # plan on modifications, don't try this". # # I'm not the only one who has tripped over this, and think there's something # different about the frame that makes it not a bolt-in without an adapter # of some sort (which there isn't really room for). # # I would absolutely make sure that someone else has verified the TJ's block # casting number has gone into a WJ of your vintage before spending a bunch of # money on labor to find out it's not a bolt-in. # # A WJ and TJ both use a 42RE, I wouldn't expect the transmission side to be # the issue. # # On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 08:23:46PM -0800, john wrote: # > The flanges are the same on both blocks. The block from the 2000 WJ is sitting # > in the yard, just north of where the ballast was... the torque converter shield # > fit perfectly on the back of the 2004 Rubicon block... # > # > ...however, I did notice that the exhaust pipes don't seem to line up and # > the motor mounts mount differently... so I may have to replace the exhaust manifolds # > to make it all work, just another reason to take it to startups... he has # > good air tools and a bigger shop. # > # > everything else pretty much matches right up. # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:22:12 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: xj: Re: [db] happy new year you're welcome Marc, but it's Richard Welty we all need to thanx. I asked for the FSJ and XJ and Diesel-Benz lists back in 1997... and he provided them and all these years of outstanding service! Bravo Richard! Hope your new year is great! thanx for the FSJ and XJ lists as well... AND the IH list and the BMW list... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 1 Jan 2010, Marc Z wrote: # Hello John, # # Wishing you and yours a Happy New Year. Thanks for providing this list # service. # # Regards, Marc Zylka in NC. # # # diesel john wrote: # > wishing all my gear head friends a very happy new year... # > may all your projects go well in the next year... # > keep the popcorn fresh, that reminds me, I'm out of popcorn... :) # > # > john # > # > current status: # > # > - 83 J10 step side - not together yet... but NEED it desperately... come on # > Curtis!!! # > # > - 91 300D - needs new alarm system remote or system swapped out...has new # > glow plug (hand still sore) # > - 99 WJ - working well, but needs a heater core at some point # > - 75 j10 hydraulic trailer, needs new battery, filled with composted # > # > - 86 cj-10a - SOLD on Monday! - just sold the ballast for $300 to a # > blacksmith... # > - 89 xj - waiting for the title, needs windshield, stereo and some TLC, # > once my J10 is done - for sale # > - 00 WJ - oh so close to having the new engine in... hauling it to the shop # > next week, for sale soon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 07:05:02 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: xj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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