From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jan 4 17:08:02 2010 From: xj-digest xj-digest Tuesday, January 5 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3135 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: xj engine codes Re: xj: xj engine codes xj: 1989 Jeep info - wj seats Re: xj: xj engine codes xj: RE: fsj: 1989 Jeep info - wj seats xj: RE: fsj: 1989 Jeep info - wj seats Re: xj: xj engine codes Re: xj: RE: fsj: 1989 Jeep info - wj seats xj: Re: FW: 1926 Snow Tractor "Neat"-one of Henry's toys Re: xj: 1989 Jeep info - wj seats XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:49:39 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: xj engine codes how does one read error codes on a Renix system? ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:46:55 -0800 From: Kevin Subject: Re: xj: xj engine codes With a factory scan tool. That failing, you're playing games with a diag port and a volt meter, IIRC. On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 08:49:39PM -0800, john wrote: > how does one read error codes on a Renix system? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:04:15 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: 1989 Jeep info - wj seats just looking through the Std Catalog of 4x4s. been doing some work on the '89 XJ Limited and found some interesting data: the 4dr Cherokee Limited was a model J78, with a list price of $24,958 !!! GVW 4,797, est. shipping weight 3,199. the '89 Grand Wagoneer listed at: $26,395 Started looking at inexpensive lift options for the xj... found a rubicon express for $259.95, spacers front, add-a-leafs rear, new shocks... from central 4wd... think I can do it for less... we'll see. getting the title straightened out tomorrow,hopefully... picked up a cheap Dual CD/HD receiever at Frys today... new windshield on Saturday... tires a week or two ago... not happy with the tires... the 4.0L has too much power for them... need to drive in full time 4wd to get traction. ;) will need to sort out a few more minor issues and it'll be ready as a daily driver/WVO hauler until Superdawg is done... going to cost me a lot more in fuel since it's a stinking gas rig and not a Diesel.... need my J10 done soon. Glad I picked up the same kind of leather seats from a 2door XJ for Superdawg, they're very comfortable... and I'll be able to get behind the seats in my J10 with them... worked out great... Guess I'll be selling my extra WJ leather seats and cloth seats... and a set of honda front seats... need space in my shop. I think I'm going to use the slightly lower quality leather seats I had in Omega for my '99 WJ because the heaters will likely work better and then sell the top quality ones. I think the ones I have are the Type I and are the pleated leather, the ones I picked up out of a WJ a while back are the Type II, flat bottom leather, but with lumbar support... also very comfortable. The Type I's I picked up a few years ago are in good shape but for some reason the heating elements don't always work well. I'll also have the cloth wJ seats out of my Laredo that I've been saving in case I sell it, but with 160k on the clock and no need for the leather seats for superdawg I guess I can part with the cloth ones too. The '89 xj is pretty nice, but I doubt it will replace our '99 WJ... so I'll have to part with it when SuperDawg is done... we're getting more serious about moving into a townhouse/condo so I need to get down to two vehicles... superdawg and either the benz or the wj... we'll see... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:05:51 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: xj engine codes wasn't there a way of flashing the codes or was that the gm 2.8 system? I thought there was a way of extracting codes by doing the on-off^3's I have a list of xj codes and could have sworn I've read them from the check engine light on an xj before... my '88 if I recall correctly. or did you have to jumper 2-3 on the test port and then turn the key on??? ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, Kevin wrote: # With a factory scan tool. # # That failing, you're playing games with a diag port and a volt meter, IIRC. # # On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 08:49:39PM -0800, john wrote: # > how does one read error codes on a Renix system? # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:16:23 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: RE: fsj: 1989 Jeep info - wj seats I have a pair of clamp on add a leafs and probably a pair of Eagle or XJ main leaves kicking around. ZJ front coils give a 2" front lift to XJs. I did a 3" on the 4 cyl Comanche that way using stock ZJ coils and the overload leaf from Black Jack. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:04:15 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > > > > Started looking at inexpensive lift options for the xj... > found a rubicon express for $259.95, spacers front, add-a-leafs rear, > new shocks... from central 4wd... think I can do it for less... we'll see. > > getting the title straightened out tomorrow,hopefully... > > picked up a cheap Dual CD/HD receiever at Frys today... new windshield on > Saturday... tires a week or two ago... not happy with the tires... the 4.0L > has too much power for them... need to drive in full time 4wd to get traction. ;) > > will need to sort out a few more minor issues and it'll be ready > as a daily driver/WVO hauler until Superdawg is done... going to > cost me a lot more in fuel since it's a stinking gas rig and not > a Diesel.... need my J10 done soon. > (snip) > > The '89 xj is pretty nice, but I doubt it will replace our '99 WJ... so I'll > have to part with it when SuperDawg is done... we're getting more serious about > moving into a townhouse/condo so I need to get down to two vehicles... superdawg > and either the benz or the wj... we'll see... > > john > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:22:11 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: RE: fsj: 1989 Jeep info - wj seats trying to avoid a lot of work too... ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, Jim Blair wrote: # I have a pair of clamp on add a leafs and probably a pair of Eagle or XJ main # leaves kicking around. ZJ front coils give a 2" front lift to XJs. I did a 3" # on the 4 cyl Comanche that way using stock ZJ coils and the overload leaf from # Black Jack. # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # > Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:04:15 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > # > # > # > Started looking at inexpensive lift options for the xj... # > found a rubicon express for $259.95, spacers front, add-a-leafs rear, # > new shocks... from central 4wd... think I can do it for less... we'll see. # > # > getting the title straightened out tomorrow,hopefully... # > # > picked up a cheap Dual CD/HD receiever at Frys today... new windshield on # > Saturday... tires a week or two ago... not happy with the tires... the # 4.0L # > has too much power for them... need to drive in full time 4wd to get # traction. ;) # > # > will need to sort out a few more minor issues and it'll be ready # > as a daily driver/WVO hauler until Superdawg is done... going to # > cost me a lot more in fuel since it's a stinking gas rig and not # > a Diesel.... need my J10 done soon. # > # (snip) # > # > The '89 xj is pretty nice, but I doubt it will replace our '99 WJ... so # I'll # > have to part with it when SuperDawg is done... we're getting more serious # about # > moving into a townhouse/condo so I need to get down to two vehicles... # superdawg # > and either the benz or the wj... we'll see... # > # > john # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:21:19 -0800 From: Kevin Subject: Re: xj: xj engine codes I know it's not a key cycle thing as that works on my 93 with the chrysler style injection. 89's been down for too long to remember. On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 09:05:51PM -0800, john wrote: > wasn't there a way of flashing the codes or was that the gm 2.8 system? > > I thought there was a way of extracting codes by doing the on-off^3's > > I have a list of xj codes and could have sworn I've read them from the > check engine light on an xj before... my '88 if I recall correctly. > > or did you have to jumper 2-3 on the test port and then turn the key on??? > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, Kevin wrote: > > # With a factory scan tool. > # > # That failing, you're playing games with a diag port and a volt meter, IIRC. > # > # On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 08:49:39PM -0800, john wrote: > # > how does one read error codes on a Renix system? > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:34:53 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: RE: fsj: 1989 Jeep info - wj seats I put on a Rusty's budget lift on my 89 LTD. Spacers for the front coils, extended greasable shackles for the rear leafs, and a set of Rusty's shocks for about $150 (This was a bunch of years ago...and he had a special back then, I got 4 shock boots for free...) I then had the rear leafs recurved and a leaf added at a local truck suspension shop for $99. The toughest part of all this was getting the old shackles off. The bolt for the original shackles slid out on the side where the tow hitch bracket was, so it couldn't come out on that side. Had to cut the bolt off and slid it the other way...then had to get a new bolt from the local Jeep dealership. Ed web/gadget guru - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ By Richard Feynman, Physicist, Nobel winner (1918-1988) "There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." - --- On Mon, 1/4/10, john wrote: From: john Subject: xj: RE: fsj: 1989 Jeep info - wj seats To: "Jim Blair" Cc: "xj" , "local Jeep list" Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 1:22 AM trying to avoid a lot of work too... ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, Jim Blair wrote: # I have a pair of clamp on add a leafs and probably a pair of Eagle or XJ main # leaves kicking around. ZJ front coils give a 2" front lift to XJs. I did a 3" # on the 4 cyl Comanche that way using stock ZJ coils and the overload leaf from # Black Jack. # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # > Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:04:15 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > # > # > # > Started looking at inexpensive lift options for the xj... # > found a rubicon express for $259.95, spacers front, add-a-leafs rear, # > new shocks... from central 4wd... think I can do it for less... we'll see. # > # > getting the title straightened out tomorrow,hopefully... # > # > picked up a cheap Dual CD/HD receiever at Frys today... new windshield on # > Saturday... tires a week or two ago... not happy with the tires... the # 4.0L # > has too much power for them... need to drive in full time 4wd to get # traction. ;) # > # > will need to sort out a few more minor issues and it'll be ready # > as a daily driver/WVO hauler until Superdawg is done... going to # > cost me a lot more in fuel since it's a stinking gas rig and not # > a Diesel.... need my J10 done soon. # > # (snip) # > # > The '89 xj is pretty nice, but I doubt it will replace our '99 WJ... so # I'll # > have to part with it when SuperDawg is done... we're getting more serious # about # > moving into a townhouse/condo so I need to get down to two vehicles... # superdawg # > and either the benz or the wj... we'll see... # > # > john # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:05:15 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Re: FW: 1926 Snow Tractor "Neat"-one of Henry's toys very cool, wonder if we could set something like this up on a modern vehicle... :) those open chains and gears in the back could be a public safety issue though... wonder how fast this thing could really go, and if it could run on hard surfaces at all... http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,213971.0/topicseen.html john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Thorndike, Doug wrote: # I can see your mind working on this one already! # Regards -- # # Doug Thorndike Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:13 AM Subject: 1926 Snow Tractor "Neat"-one of Henry's toys This was 83 years ago... This is a rare video of an invention that never went very far. Wait until you see the automobile version it is all on here. 1926 Snow Tractor. Talk about ingenuity! This is a 1926 silent film (on video) of a tractor-snow-machine invented by Henry Ford, shown here driving it. Watch the whole thing. Note the "hat." http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,213971.0/topicseen.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:05:31 -0500 From: Marc Z Subject: Re: xj: 1989 Jeep info - wj seats Hi John, How much of a lift is the rubicon express? I'm asking because I have replaced the rear springs in my '89 XJ with the heavy duty set for Quadratec. Now, the rear end is a little too high. I'm thinking about lifting the front end with spacers to equalize.... Marc Z in NC john wrote: > just looking through the Std Catalog of 4x4s. been doing some > work on the '89 XJ Limited and found some interesting data: > > the 4dr Cherokee Limited was a model J78, with a list price of $24,958 !!! > GVW 4,797, est. shipping weight 3,199. > > the '89 Grand Wagoneer listed at: $26,395 > > > Started looking at inexpensive lift options for the xj... > found a rubicon express for $259.95, spacers front, add-a-leafs rear, > new shocks... from central 4wd... think I can do it for less... we'll see. > > getting the title straightened out tomorrow,hopefully... > > picked up a cheap Dual CD/HD receiever at Frys today... new windshield on > Saturday... tires a week or two ago... not happy with the tires... the 4.0L > has too much power for them... need to drive in full time 4wd to get traction. ;) > > will need to sort out a few more minor issues and it'll be ready > as a daily driver/WVO hauler until Superdawg is done... going to > cost me a lot more in fuel since it's a stinking gas rig and not > a Diesel.... need my J10 done soon. > > Glad I picked up the same kind of leather seats from a 2door XJ for Superdawg, > they're very comfortable... and I'll be able to get behind the seats in my > J10 with them... worked out great... Guess I'll be selling my extra WJ leather > seats and cloth seats... and a set of honda front seats... need space in my > shop. I think I'm going to use the slightly lower quality leather seats I > had in Omega for my '99 WJ because the heaters will likely work better and > then sell the top quality ones. I think the ones I have are the Type I and > are the pleated leather, the ones I picked up out of a WJ a while back are > the Type II, flat bottom leather, but with lumbar support... also very comfortable. > The Type I's I picked up a few years ago are in good shape but for some reason > the heating elements don't always work well. I'll also have the cloth wJ seats > out of my Laredo that I've been saving in case I sell it, but with 160k on the > clock and no need for the leather seats for superdawg I guess I can part with > the cloth ones too. > > The '89 xj is pretty nice, but I doubt it will replace our '99 WJ... so I'll > have to part with it when SuperDawg is done... we're getting more serious about > moving into a townhouse/condo so I need to get down to two vehicles... superdawg > and either the benz or the wj... we'll see... > > john > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3135 *************************