From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jan 11 07:31:02 2010 From: xj-digest xj-digest Monday, January 11 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3140 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: power window motor xj: Re: 97 E300D comments xj: popcorn update xj: Re: [db] RE: fsj: popcorn update xj: RE: [db] RE: fsj: popcorn update XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:35:45 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: power window motor got the power window working in the '89 Cherokee... next is the sunroof plastic ring, the headliner and a stereo... of course, still waiting for the title... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:09:03 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Re: 97 E300D comments this was great, thanx.... I'm going to consider the toyota Diesel 2wd truck that looks like crap instead... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, Steve Morelen wrote: # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # This is from mercedeslist.com (old R-E list). The author is Jim Mahaffey. He is well qualified in speaking of MBs (electronics in particular, I believe). If memory serves, he was one of the technical speakers when the MBCA annual technical meeting convened in my neighborhood a few years ago. # # I like his closing comment about being able to fix anything for 2K. :-) # # *********************** # # --Forwarded Message Attachment-- # From: benzdr-at-bellsouth.net # To: mercedes-at-mercedeslist.com # Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:29:24 -0500 # Subject: Re: [MB] '97 E300 diesel quality # # Steve, # # The '97 E300 diesel is a solid machine, and it will give dependable # transportation for hundreds of thousands of miles with minimal # maintenance. Limitations of the previous generation of diesel engines, # the extremely successful OM617s, were all addressed in the fresh design # of the 6-cylinder, non-turbocharged engine. It has 4 valves per # cylinder, 12 intake ports, and a tunable "organ-pipe" air-induction # system. This is the last example of mechanical diesel injection that # will be made by M-B. The W210 body is highly advanced over the previous # generation, with notable improvements in maintenance procedures and # diagnostics. # # BUT: # # 1) The wiring harness is extremely complex, fragile, poorly designed, # and expensive to replace. Honestly, this car has the worst example of # automobile wiring I have ever seen, and that includes a lot of British # wiring. # # 2) The glow-plugs and the associated aluminum head were designed with # the assumption that the glow-plugs would never need to be replaced. The # glow-plugs burn out often. Replacement of glow-plugs will challenge the # very basis of your knowledge, skills, patience, mental stability, and # religious beliefs. # # 3) The management of fuel before it enters the fuel injection pump is # astonishingly poor. Short lengths of plastic piping with delicate # couplings and half-hearted O-ring seals seem to have replaced steel # pipes in earlier engines. This system can't withstand a small change in # fuel chemistry, aging, cold, heat, or vibration. # # 4) The efficiency of the A/C condenser is improved greatly in a new, # flat-tube design, giving maximum surface area in a compacted space. It # will fail. # # 5) In my neighborhood, diesel fuel is now more expensive than premium # gasoline. Spark-ignition car designs have now eliminated the carburetor # and the distributor, they will run for hundreds of thousands of miles, # and spark-plugs last a lot longer than glow-plugs. Why do I want a # diesel? # # Just bear in mind, nothing will happen to this car that $2K can't fix. # # Jim # # ************************************************* # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:29:26 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: popcorn update shopping: NO: - - '97 E300 Diesel... didn't go and look... input from the collective was such that while I may take it for a test drive I doubt I'd take the risk of owning a W210 model... someone already replaced the stock rims, stock radio and the headlights are already clouded... all that remains is several 2K repairs to a known to be wonky climate control, a fragile fuel system and a myriad of other issues. NO: - - '86 Ford Ranger Diesel... needs too much for the money... the 5 speed is a fright. MAYBE: - - '84 Toyota Diesel 2.4L n/a, 5 speed 2wd... looks like crap, but runs and drives like new... the rust is a result of a lumber rack and excessive exposure to water on bare metal... and of course crappy metal... my jeeps don't rust liket his with bare metal... however, my jeeps don't get 35 mpg either. giving serious thought to this one... runs great... not slow feeling at all... tranny is tight! 190K. http://johnmeister.com/DIESELS/1984-Toyota-Diesel/ALL.html THOUGHTS? the rust may look bad, but it's not a big worry, really... doesn't need anything but paint, and of course some duct tape first over the rust holes in the bed... but that's just a good drain for WVO... I liked the way the Ranger drove, the engine was great, ride nice, etc... but it needed too much mechanically, this toyota is perfect... oh, needs glow plugs and the timing belt replaced... but otherwise it drives GREAT... tight trans, new brakes, fresh filters... It handled great... I tossed it around pretty hard in the foothills, it was very predictable and well mannered... this one also gets the vote from my favorite professional mechanic. - -------- projects: - - '89 Cherokee Limited - fixed the window.. all that remains are a few minor repairs that are unnecessary, and a stereo... haven't decided yet which one I'm going to use... guess it depends on the outcome of the title/paperwork and whether or not I get the Toyota pickup... if it works out that I keep this jeep I'll put a nice unit in... waiting on the title... Washed it today... looking good, running good... just need the paperwork... argh. - - '00 WJ (Grand Cherokee) - should be reassembled and ready to go this week... will be up for sale after I make sure all systems are good and photograph it... new tires, new battery, 28k on the replacement motor, nice stereo, leather, clean... should be a nice rig. Have a small dealership with a nice clean '98 TDI with an offer that might consider a straight trade... we'll see... I'd lose a couple grand in value, but it was a nice clean TDI... and I have no money, just jeeps... ;) - - 91 300D... glow plug light still comes on... but it's running fine, if this persists for another week I will get more serious about the problem and use a good meter to see if the replacement glow plug is the same as the others or if the controller is failing. This has been such a good car... no real point to taking on the risk of a newer Mercedes... thanx all for the comments and feedback... :) - - 99 WJ - just keeps going... gassed up at $2.65 at costco... wish they had Diesel. ;) average fuel economy over the last four years of ownership is 14.43 mpg... not exactly an economy car, but sure is nice on long trips, and it'll go anywhere... quadradrive and Bridgestone Revo ATs... great combo... - - 83 J10 - waiting... after all the research, shopping, experimention, custom builds/swaps and ownership, it just keeps coming back to this old step side pickup... and the SD33T/TF727/NP208 setup... it's the right size, the right look, the right feel... I am so looking forward to the completion of superdawg... later, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:31:45 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Re: [db] RE: fsj: popcorn update kevin... wow... how tempting... next Jim will come on with how my AW4 will mate up and then Dave will come on with an axle swap and voila... a 4x4 automatic Diesel... :) I need to do a reality check... yeah, I know... hard to do in my world... the '89 Cherokee is running great... but I won't drive it daily because it's gas... and I shouldn't keep it because I already have two nice vehicles... my '91 300D and the '99 WJ... so selling the XJ will pay for the Toyota which will be a stand in until SuperDawg is done... then I should be able to sell the Toyota for whatever I have into it... I guess the Toyota makes sense... I'll see if I can get the guy to come down a bit more...otherwise I'll have to come up with some more money. ;) thanx for the input kevin, fire up that Ultra 10... I'll be looking for that manual. first order of business will be to fix the bumpers... by removing them... need to get some sort of replacement front pan or valence... maybe do something to lower the front a bit... then patch the holes in the bed with old license plates and bondo, hit the bare metal with rust converter and paint the thing one color... I may go for another $24.08 paint job, or splurge and spent $200 at Maaco... we'll see. Either way, the Toyota drove out very nicely... very nicely... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, Kevin wrote: # I gave John input offline, but the biggest asset to those 2wd toyota trucks is # how freaking light they were. And the fact that rust was a problem on them # only helped in the lightening department, which made them run better. In 4x4 # version, my tenant's 85 gasser toyota pickup is probably 1400 lbs lighter than # my 74 cherokee with straight six. Which John saw in person in Medford several # years ago :) # # For the diesel nuts, the 2L (non-turbo) had a much better head than the 2L-T # (turbo) version. Since both had underpiston cooling, you were actually better # off starting with a non-turbo, using a chinese exhaust manifold from e-bay that # used a T-3 style mount (since the turbo 2L-T used a CT-20 which, to call junk, # would insult thousands of poorly designed things worldwide), then a T-3 # junkyard turbo from a 2.2 chrysler than you were with the factory setup. Fab # up the rest, and enjoy something better than the factory offered. # # [personally, I prefer larger vehicles, so my toyota diesel is a landcruiser # with a much heavier duty four cylinder diesel.] # # On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:58:06PM -0800, john wrote: # > I don't know what the HP is, but it goes faster than my Tug did... has good rpm range and top end. # > # > I like the way it felt... it felt very much like the Ranger but with a much, much tighter gear box. # > # > I may call the guy with an increased offer... :) the rust is of little concern, that it rusted that # > much here is odd... but I'll hit it with rust stopper and patch the holes with old license plates # > and bondo... just like I've done with so many old FSJs. :) # > # > and yes, the input from the lists has been absolutely splendid and much appreciated. # > # > thanx all! # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:25:57 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: RE: [db] RE: fsj: popcorn update Just waiting for a reply on the Toy diesel automatic bell housing (they use AW4, but had RH drop front axle), flexplate and converter. Don't put much into it as I might be the one who wants it next and I'd only use it for parts! (Toy 1/4 ton frames don't do heavy loads well) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:31:45 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net > CC: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net; DZAshby-at-comcast.net > Subject: Re: [db] RE: fsj: popcorn update > > kevin... wow... how tempting... next Jim will come on with how my AW4 will mate > up and then Dave will come on with an axle swap and voila... a 4x4 automatic Diesel... > > :) > > I need to do a reality check... yeah, I know... hard to do in my world... > > the '89 Cherokee is running great... but I won't drive it daily because it's gas... and > I shouldn't keep it because I already have two nice vehicles... my '91 300D and > the '99 WJ... so selling the XJ will pay for the Toyota which will be a stand in > until SuperDawg is done... then I should be able to sell the Toyota for whatever > I have into it... > > I guess the Toyota makes sense... I'll see if I can get the guy to come down a bit > more...otherwise I'll have to come up with some more money. ;) > > thanx for the input kevin, fire up that Ultra 10... I'll be looking for that manual. > > first order of business will be to fix the bumpers... by removing them... need to > get some sort of replacement front pan or valence... maybe do something to lower > the front a bit... then patch the holes in the bed with old license plates and bondo, > hit the bare metal with rust converter and paint the thing one color... I may go > for another $24.08 paint job, or splurge and spent $200 at Maaco... we'll see. > > Either way, the Toyota drove out very nicely... very nicely... > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, Kevin wrote: > > # I gave John input offline, but the biggest asset to those 2wd toyota trucks is > # how freaking light they were. And the fact that rust was a problem on them > # only helped in the lightening department, which made them run better. In 4x4 > # version, my tenant's 85 gasser toyota pickup is probably 1400 lbs lighter than > # my 74 cherokee with straight six. Which John saw in person in Medford several > # years ago :) > # > # For the diesel nuts, the 2L (non-turbo) had a much better head than the 2L-T > # (turbo) version. Since both had underpiston cooling, you were actually better > # off starting with a non-turbo, using a chinese exhaust manifold from e-bay that > # used a T-3 style mount (since the turbo 2L-T used a CT-20 which, to call junk, > # would insult thousands of poorly designed things worldwide), then a T-3 > # junkyard turbo from a 2.2 chrysler than you were with the factory setup. Fab > # up the rest, and enjoy something better than the factory offered. > # > # [personally, I prefer larger vehicles, so my toyota diesel is a landcruiser > # with a much heavier duty four cylinder diesel.] > # > # On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:58:06PM -0800, john wrote: > # > I don't know what the HP is, but it goes faster than my Tug did... has good rpm range and top end. > # > > # > I like the way it felt... it felt very much like the Ranger but with a much, much tighter gear box. > # > > # > I may call the guy with an increased offer... :) the rust is of little concern, that it rusted that > # > much here is odd... but I'll hit it with rust stopper and patch the holes with old license plates > # > and bondo... just like I've done with so many old FSJs. :) > # > > # > and yes, the input from the lists has been absolutely splendid and much appreciated. > # > > # > thanx all! > # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3140 *************************