From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Jan 8 11:16:10 2011 From: xj-digest xj-digest Saturday, January 8 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3254 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: floor mats (was: Re: xj: They're trying to blame the Jeep (who is "they"?)) Re: xj: They're trying to blame the Jeep (who is "they"?) Re: xj: They're trying to blame the Jeep (who is "they"?) Re: xj: They're trying to blame the Jeep (who is "they"?) xj: Re: [WJ-Grand] Does anyone here use this device on their WJ? XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:42:26 -0800 From: ernest breakfield Subject: floor mats (was: Re: xj: They're trying to blame the Jeep (who is "they"?)) odd; i'm using (my second set of) factory mats, and this is one thing i *don't* have a problem with in my XJ Sport. wonder if there was something different about the design of the mats between my '94 and '96? cheers! e On 01/Jan/11 09:34, Loeb wrote: > I was actually thinking floor mats, for real. EVERY time i get into my > XJ I have to reposition my floor mat. One would think I would have done > something to remedy that by now. Hope it doesn't take an accident for > me to take care of that. Hmmm, sounds like a good new years > resolution, to fix my floor mats. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:49:34 -0800 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: xj: They're trying to blame the Jeep (who is "they"?) hi Ed! seemed the info in the video you sent the link to said the people were trapped *under* the vehicle; they even showed pictures of the wedges and stuff that were used to lift it. the only pole i caught them mentioning was where they said "it came to rest against a utility pole", and where they said that it was a cable off of that pole that the vehicle actually struck. if we're going to be getting critical of something to the point of trying to assign blame, we really need to be careful as to what the facts that were actually shared are. is there more different info again than what was in the vid you shared? cheers! e On 01/Jan/11 22:42, Ed Kummel wrote: > Well, nobody knows why this happened. > But the person who was driving the vehicle was a licensed Maryland driver who > was in this country from his native (Honduras? I think) country for several > years now. He pinned two other coworkers between the Jeep and a lamp pole. One > died and the other was/is in critical condition. They haven't given more > information on that yet. > Ed > web/gadget guru > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > "Driving a car is a lot like a child's coloring book...you really should > strive to stay within the lines" > > --Ed > > --- On Sat, 1/1/11, john wrote: > > From: john > Subject: Re: xj: They're trying to blame the Jeep (who is "they"?) > To: xj-at-digest.net > Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 2:24 PM > > my wj has hooks on the floor that keep the mats from > sliding forward, can't remember if the zj had those or not, > but either way, the go pedal is hung from the top on the > newer jeeps so there isn't much chance of it getting on > top of it, just under it. > > wonder if we'll ever know the "rest of the story"... > > so many pictures and articles we see and have no idea > what happened, who got hurt or why... no follow up... just > pictures, have many friends that email things with no explanation, > not a date, a country, a city, nothing... just a truck hanging > off a bridge, or a car damaged, or something... our news > media fails to present all the information... the BBC seems > to do a better job, and often provides informative background > info on the country or situation. Even if biased, it does present > a lot of information and facts so one can discern the truth. > > maybe the poster will follow up with details... :) > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Sat, 1 Jan 2011, Loeb wrote: > > # Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:22:17 -0800 (PST) > #> From: john > #> Subject: Re: xj: They're trying to blame the Jeep (who is "they"?) > #> > #> the stereotype would have been teenage driver, which would > #> fit no matter what the nationality, race or education...:) > # > # I was thinking more about the stereotype of a person working at a car > wash. > # > #> > who knows, maybe the jeep owner didn't know any better and had > #> > toyota floor mats... (like that's what killed a california state > #> > trooper... if you believe that I've got some land in southern florida > #> > for you, real cheap... I'd say dirt cheap, but you'd have trouble > #> > finding the dirt...) > # I was actually thinking floor mats, for real. EVERY time i get into my > # XJ I have to reposition my floor mat. One would think I would have done > # something to remedy that by now. Hope it doesn't take an accident for > # me to take care of that. Hmmm, sounds like a good new years > # resolution, to fix my floor mats. > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 13:15:54 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: They're trying to blame the Jeep (who is "they"?) The info I relayed came from the local Fox news affiliate. Funnily enough, all news about this incident has gone quiet. It's not being discussed anymore. None of the local new affiliates is discussing this incident...I guess it's not news anymore. Ed - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Driving a car is a lot like a child's coloring book...you really should strive to stay within the lines" --Ed - --- On Mon, 1/3/11, ernest breakfield wrote: From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: xj: They're trying to blame the Jeep (who is "they"?) To: xj-at-digest.net Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 2:49 PM hi Ed! seemed the info in the video you sent the link to said the people were trapped *under* the vehicle; they even showed pictures of the wedges and stuff that were used to lift it. the only pole i caught them mentioning was where they said "it came to rest against a utility pole", and where they said that it was a cable off of that pole that the vehicle actually struck. if we're going to be getting critical of something to the point of trying to assign blame, we really need to be careful as to what the facts that were actually shared are. is there more different info again than what was in the vid you shared? cheers! e On 01/Jan/11 22:42, Ed Kummel wrote: > Well, nobody knows why this happened. > But the person who was driving the vehicle was a licensed Maryland driver who > was in this country from his native (Honduras? I think) country for several > years now. He pinned two other coworkers between the Jeep and a lamp pole. One > died and the other was/is in critical condition. They haven't given more > information on that yet. > Ed > web/gadget guru > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > "Driving a car is a lot like a child's coloring book...you really should > strive to stay within the lines" > > --Ed > > --- On Sat, 1/1/11, john wrote: > > From: john > Subject: Re: xj: They're trying to blame the Jeep (who is "they"?) > To: xj-at-digest.net > Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 2:24 PM > > my wj has hooks on the floor that keep the mats from > sliding forward, can't remember if the zj had those or not, > but either way, the go pedal is hung from the top on the > newer jeeps so there isn't much chance of it getting on > top of it, just under it. > > wonder if we'll ever know the "rest of the story"... > > so many pictures and articles we see and have no idea > what happened, who got hurt or why... no follow up... just > pictures, have many friends that email things with no explanation, > not a date, a country, a city, nothing... just a truck hanging > off a bridge, or a car damaged, or something... our news > media fails to present all the information... the BBC seems > to do a better job, and often provides informative background > info on the country or situation. Even if biased, it does present > a lot of information and facts so one can discern the truth. > > maybe the poster will follow up with details... :) > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Sat, 1 Jan 2011, Loeb wrote: > > # Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:22:17 -0800 (PST) > #> From: john > #> Subject: Re: xj: They're trying to blame the Jeep (who is "they"?) > #> > #> the stereotype would have been teenage driver, which would > #> fit no matter what the nationality, race or education...:) > # > # I was thinking more about the stereotype of a person working at a car > wash. > # > #> > who knows, maybe the jeep owner didn't know any better and had > #> > toyota floor mats... (like that's what killed a california state > #> > trooper... if you believe that I've got some land in southern florida > #> > for you, real cheap... I'd say dirt cheap, but you'd have trouble > #> > finding the dirt...) > # I was actually thinking floor mats, for real. EVERY time i get into my > # XJ I have to reposition my floor mat. One would think I would have done > # something to remedy that by now. Hope it doesn't take an accident for > # me to take care of that. Hmmm, sounds like a good new years > # resolution, to fix my floor mats. > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:30:34 -0800 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: xj: They're trying to blame the Jeep (who is "they"?) well, Fox has been often accused of sharing what we'll politely call "less than accurate" information. this might just be another instance of that. they are also not unique in that they also suffer from a symptom of the Amerikun Short Attention Span Syndrome that so many other news outlets do as well; if the bloods dry, it's not news. odds are that we may never find out through standard news channels what really happened. cheers! e On 03/Jan/11 13:15, Ed Kummel wrote: > The info I relayed came from the local Fox news affiliate. Funnily enough, all > news about this incident has gone quiet. It's not being discussed anymore. > None of the local new affiliates is discussing this incident...I guess it's > not news anymore. > Ed > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > "Driving a car is a lot like a child's coloring book...you really should > strive to stay within the lines" > > --Ed > > --- On Mon, 1/3/11, ernest breakfield > wrote: > > From: ernest breakfield > Subject: Re: xj: They're trying to blame the Jeep (who is "they"?) > To: xj-at-digest.net > Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 2:49 PM > > hi Ed! > > seemed the info in the video you sent the link to said the people > were trapped *under* the vehicle; they even showed pictures of the > wedges and stuff that were used to lift it. the only pole i caught them > mentioning was where they said "it came to rest against a utility pole", > and where they said that it was a cable off of that pole that the > vehicle actually struck. > > if we're going to be getting critical of something to the point of > trying to assign blame, we really need to be careful as to what the > facts that were actually shared are. is there more different info again > than what was in the vid you shared? > > > cheers! > e > > > On 01/Jan/11 22:42, Ed Kummel wrote: >> Well, nobody knows why this happened. >> But the person who was driving the vehicle was a licensed Maryland driver > who >> was in this country from his native (Honduras? I think) country for several >> years now. He pinned two other coworkers between the Jeep and a lamp pole. > One >> died and the other was/is in critical condition. They haven't given more >> information on that yet. >> Ed >> web/gadget guru >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> "Driving a car is a lot like a child's coloring book...you really should >> strive to stay within the lines" >> >> --Ed >> >> --- On Sat, 1/1/11, john wrote: >> >> From: john >> Subject: Re: xj: They're trying to blame the Jeep (who is "they"?) >> To: xj-at-digest.net >> Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 2:24 PM >> >> my wj has hooks on the floor that keep the mats from >> sliding forward, can't remember if the zj had those or not, >> but either way, the go pedal is hung from the top on the >> newer jeeps so there isn't much chance of it getting on >> top of it, just under it. >> >> wonder if we'll ever know the "rest of the story"... >> >> so many pictures and articles we see and have no idea >> what happened, who got hurt or why... no follow up... just >> pictures, have many friends that email things with no explanation, >> not a date, a country, a city, nothing... just a truck hanging >> off a bridge, or a car damaged, or something... our news >> media fails to present all the information... the BBC seems >> to do a better job, and often provides informative background >> info on the country or situation. Even if biased, it does present >> a lot of information and facts so one can discern the truth. >> >> maybe the poster will follow up with details... :) >> >> john >> >> ----- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum >> http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> On Sat, 1 Jan 2011, Loeb wrote: >> >> # Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:22:17 -0800 (PST) >> #> From: john >> #> Subject: Re: xj: They're trying to blame the Jeep (who is "they"?) >> #> >> #> the stereotype would have been teenage driver, which would >> #> fit no matter what the nationality, race or education...:) >> # >> # I was thinking more about the stereotype of a person working at a car >> wash. >> # >> #> > who knows, maybe the jeep owner didn't know any better and had >> #> > toyota floor mats... (like that's what killed a california state >> #> > trooper... if you believe that I've got some land in southern > florida >> #> > for you, real cheap... I'd say dirt cheap, but you'd have trouble >> #> > finding the dirt...) >> # I was actually thinking floor mats, for real. EVERY time i get into my >> # XJ I have to reposition my floor mat. One would think I would have > done >> # something to remedy that by now. Hope it doesn't take an accident for >> # me to take care of that. Hmmm, sounds like a good new years >> # resolution, to fix my floor mats. >> # >> # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 11:14:49 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Re: [WJ-Grand] Does anyone here use this device on their WJ? sadly, this device will not work with the 4.7L V8... it will work with the 4.0's john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 8 Jan 2011, john wrote: # http://www.hypertech.com/fuel-economy.aspx # claiming about 13% economy... that would give me roughly 2 mpg... # # anoyone seen the price? # # they restrict throttle, control temperature, and do something with the # cylinders... one part said 2 - 6 mpg... # # if it got me 16 in town it might be worth it... already getting (at times) # 21 mpg on the freeway, another 13% there would be very nice... unbelievable, # but nice... # # john # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3254 *************************