From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Apr 8 09:22:02 2011 From: xj-digest xj-digest Friday, April 8 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3287 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: 84 till '95? XJ rear hatch $35 N Seattle xj: Re: [db] Re: 2001 Toyota RAV4 L, AWD, Leather, 116k miles xj: OT: diesel, 104 mpg w vw lupo (fwd)(and rhino chaser grille) XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 17:49:37 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: 84 till '95? XJ rear hatch $35 N Seattle http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/?action=view¤t=ef39d2a8.j pg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 20:37:42 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: Re: [db] Re: 2001 Toyota RAV4 L, AWD, Leather, 116k miles my kids paid/are paying their own way through school, and so did I. of course that still doesn't leave any disposable income. ;) I don't mind buying the toyota at book because I know it'll sell if we change our mind... my VW the same way... of course most jeeps hold their value as well, just a lower entry point is all.. :) my wife misses her Mercedes... unfortunately there aren't any as nice around that don't have megamiles or quality issues... :( too bad Jeep couldn't make a Grand Cherokee that gets 23 mpg... oh wait, they do... they sell it in Germany with a Diesel... argh. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum tunc aperuit illis sensum ut intellegerent scripturas http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 5 Apr 2011, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # Yeah, I have noticed that used VW and Toyota/Honda seem to keep a ridiculous # high residual value, wife thought she wanted a VW bug until she kept seeing 8 # and 10 year old units with asking prices between 10 and 13K. Moot anyway due # to last kid being in college, no large amounts of funds are currently # "disposable" unless I do what you do and start selling off the fleet to buy a # newer vehicle only I can't justify getting rid of the TDI (43/51mpg) and the # 300D (31/35). Anyone want a 52 MGTD in boxes or a '64 Mercedes 220Sb gasser # with dual carbs? Latter was running when parked 8 years ago :-) # # Edward # # # On 4/5/2011 7:50 PM, john wrote: # > the 2001 2.0L has a timing chain. YMMV on other engines... # > # > mine has 117k, paid nearly 10k for it... just a snick over book, but it's # > perfect, # > and of course we have no rust here... this is like a brand new car, just # > doesn't have # > the new car smell... ;) # > # > what gets me is I sold a very nice '99 Grand Cherokee with a 4.7L V8 that # > would leave # > this thing sitting in the dust... and could tow 7500 lbs while doing it... # > had no problems # > what soever, and the book value was about half what this one is... # > weird... the GC cost # > more new as well... that tells me there is a bias toward japanese, or it's # > well deserved # > in the realm of quality and market demand... haven't met an unhappy rav4 # > owner yet... # > # > just topped it off... 23 mpg. # > # > so far, so good... # > # > the 300D went away last night... :( # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > -o|||||o- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > vehicle city/hwy engine/trans/xfr # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > 2003 VW Jetta GLS Wagon TDI 40/48 mpg 1.9L TDI/5spd # > 2001 Toyota RAV4 L 23/27 mpg 2.0L EFI/AT/AWD # > 1983 Jeep J10 long box (SJ) ??/15 mpg 5.9L AT/NP208 (best mpg 17.68) # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > 1983 Jeep J10 Stepside (SJ) (Superdawg)- under construction since 1999 # > getting '80 Scout SD33T Diesel, # > TF727/NP208 # > mpg: 20/24 expected # > -o|||||o- http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # > tunc aperuit illis sensum ut intellegerent scripturas # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Tue, 5 Apr 2011, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # > # > # John # > # # > # I am looking at Rav4 adverts in my area just to see what they go for - # > # prices # > # here are astronomical, a 98 19th 119K miles goes for over 6K. What # > # worries # > # me is that they all describe the engine as having a timing belt. Did you # > # get # > # a diesel Rav 4 or are the sellers clueless here? # > # # > # Good luck, it looks like a very nice ride. # > # # > # Edward # > # # > # On 4/4/2011 2:50 AM, john wrote: # > #> it's the same length as the Jeep Cherokee, and 2" narrower... but gets # > #> nearly 10 mpg more... # > #> # > #> On 04/03/2011 11:32 PM, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # > #> > Wow, the RAV4 has gotten big since I last paid attention to it! # > #> > # > #> > I was part of an evaluation program (1995? 1996?) which blind-tested # > #> > several new-design/upcoming SUVs over several weeks. They were fully # > #> > debadged (or in the case of the RAV4, completely new) and all painted # > #> > white. The RAV4 was my favorite back then for its drive, stability, # > #> > and # > #> > user-friendliness, with its only drawback being 2-door and too little # > #> > cargo area. They revealed which was what at the end. Jeep Grand # > #> > Cherokee # > #> > was my overall favorite of the test vehicles at the time. (My own # > #> > cars at # > #> > the time were the 1976 W115 and the 1995 Subaru Legacy wagon.) # > #> > # > #> > If they stayed true to its initial design elements, sounds like a # > #> > good # > #> > choice! # > #> > # > #> > -bkc # > #> > Lynnwood, WA # > #> > (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # > #> > (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT # > #> > (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] # > #> > # > #> > # > #> > On Sun Apr 03, 2011, John Meister wrote: # > #> > # > #> > > based on input from list members and my son in law... # > #> > > # > #> > > we decided to go with a Rav4. # > #> > > # > #> > > pictures at: http://fotomeister.us/2011/04-Apr-03-Rav4/ALL.html # > #> > > # > #> > > This has everything we were looking for... # > #> > > comfortable leather seats, all wheel drive, 23/27 mpg economy, nice # > #> > > paint, # > #> > > regular gas, timing chain, etc. Great visibility, quiet, nice # > #> > > ride, # > #> > > and immaculate. # > #> > > # > #> > > This car has been amazingly well cared for. They have every # > #> > > receipt # > #> > > for this vehicle, # > #> > > and the original window sticker. It is so quiet when it runs that # > #> > > my # > #> > > wife didn't realize it was running. # > #> > > # > #> > > I've always liked the idea of the Rav4s and I may go for an earlier # > #> > > model at some point in the future for me. # > #> > > # > #> > > The visibility is superb, much better than our WJ, quieter than the # > #> > > WJ, # > #> > > but I think the ride over # > #> > > bumps was better on the WJ, little more isolated from the road... # > #> > > # > #> > > I know from the experience of a friend that the transmission should # > #> > > not # > #> > > be abused by towing, but could. # > #> > > The seats are amazing... perfect fit for my back and just the right # > #> > > amount of softness, not very # > #> > > adjustable though. # > #> > > # > #> > > The engine bay is completely accessible, top and bottom, spark # > #> > > plugs/coils easy to get to... I will be # > #> > > able to make any repairs with no problems. Simple and even elegant # > #> > > in # > #> > > design... lots of plumbing, but # > #> > > some how easy to decipher. I doubt this car will need much in the # > #> > > way # > #> > > of repairs. # > #> > > # > #> > > # > #> > > I appreciate all the inputs, ideas, warnings, suggestions and # > #> > > encouragement... # > #> > > we paid just over high book, but considering we have the complete # > #> > > history and five extra tires mounted # > #> > > I am not complaining... I did talk the guy down $200 so my Bohemian # > #> > > upbringing is still in effect. # > #> > > # > #> > > john # > #> > > # > #> > > ----- # > #> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > #> > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > #> > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para # > #> > > bellum # > #> > > tunc aperuit illis sensum ut intellegerent scripturas # > #> > > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > #> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > #> > > # > #> > > # > #> > > Subject: 2001 Toyota RAV4 L AWD, Leather, 116k miles # > #> > > We are the 2nd Owner of this RAV4. The first owner was my mother # > #> > > who # > #> > > purchased it as # > #> > > custom ordered and brand new. She serviced regularly at Toyota of # > #> > > Kirkland. Records are available. # > #> > > Clean Title, Never had any accidents # > #> > > 4WD/AWD # > #> > > 4-Cylinder Engine # > #> > > Automatic Transmission # > #> > > ~116k Original Miles # > #> > > "L" Package # > #> > > Silver Exterior w/ Two Tone Paint (Gray) # > #> > > Gray Leather Interior (Interior is spotless and clean!) # > #> > > Leather Wrapped Shifter and Steering Wheel # > #> > > ABS # > #> > > Power Windows, Locks, and Mirrors # > #> > > Toyota Hood Protector # > #> > > Running Boards # > #> > > Alloy Wheels # > #> > > Non-Smoking and No Pets # > #> > > Oil changes were religiously changed every +/- 3,000 miles # > #> > > Cons: Back Left Rear Bumper Has Small Dent # > # # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 09:21:03 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: OT: diesel, 104 mpg w vw lupo (fwd)(and rhino chaser grille) Diesel... the way to go... :) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michel Balea Here we go, from an interesting website: http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/vw-lupo-1-2tdi-3l-112-mpg-16420.html Michel - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- in other news: swapped out my stock (slightly broken) '83 grille for the Daktari/Rhino Chaser grille... http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1983-J10-white/2011-04-08-J10-morning-fog/ALL.html http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1983-J10-white/ALL.html http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html and it looks like we're going to keep looking for another Diesel for my wife... she misses the benz... the rav4 has a lot of nice features, but I've spoiled her with jeeps and mercedes, hard to step down to even a like new, low mileage toyota... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum tunc aperuit illis sensum ut intellegerent scripturas http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3287 *************************