From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Apr 14 23:05:36 2011 From: xj-digest xj-digest Friday, April 15 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3287 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: 13 Apr 2011 - Fuel prices US and NL - gas vs. Diesel total costs Re: xj: 13 Apr 2011 - Fuel prices US and NL - gas vs. Diesel total costs xj: Chicago trip - 15 May 2011 xj: administrivia: notes on using this list XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:10:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: 13 Apr 2011 - Fuel prices US and NL - gas vs. Diesel total costs Yeah, my theory on diesel prices being so high with taxes and all is that diesel is primarily used for fleet transport, which is a business use. Fuel expenses are tax deductions for businesses and as such, the government looses it's taxes, so it puts on more tax so it can gouge the user more.... It all comes down to who uses diesel in the majority...business can justify the high cost as the cost of doing business because they can take it off of their taxes! Ed web/gadget guru - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Men riding dragons throwing wolves at maggots" -Ryan, Scary Movie 4 - --- On Wed, 4/13/11, john wrote: From: john Subject: xj: 13 Apr 2011 - Fuel prices US and NL - gas vs. Diesel total costs To: Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 4:47 PM interesting to note that Europe, and the rest of the world fairly prices Diesel, while the US taxes it more... - ---------------------------------------------------- just think, $9.00 a gallon for gasoline... but "only" $7.45/gallon for Diesel... - ---------------------------------------------------- my jetta TDI is looking pretty good right now... selling that 4.7L V8 gas powered Grand Cherokee looks like a good decision. - ---------------------------------------------------- drove by two places this morning: gas diesel lowest: 3.79 4.50 high: 3.99 4.57 - ---------------------------------------------------- email from NL: NL Unleaded $2.39/liter $9.07/GALLON b, 1.74/ltr b, 6.59/US gal NL Diesel $1.97 $7.45 b, 1.43 b, 5.41 - ---------------------------------------------------- liter us gal liter us gal US b low Diesel $1.19 $4.50 b, 0.85 b, 3.24 US b high Diesel $1.21 $4.57 b, 0.87 b, 3.29 liter us gal liter us gal US b low Unleaded $1.00 $3.79 b, 0.72 b, 2.73 US b high Unleaded $1.05 $3.99 b, 0.76 b, 2.87 - ---------------------------------------------------- So, comparing Diesel vs. Gas Costs in terms of MPG: 20-50 mpg Diesel ... as in the USA: for 100 miles... Diesel at $4.50/gal, Gas at $3.79/gal a 20mpg Diesel rig compares to a 16.84 mpg GAS rig. miles: 100 $4.50 $3.79 Diesel GAS Diesel mpg: gals used: COST GAS used same miles: MPG(gas) equivalent 20 5.00 $22.50 5.94 16.84 21 4.76 $21.43 5.65 17.69 22 4.55 $20.45 5.40 18.53 23 4.35 $19.57 5.16 19.37 24 4.17 $18.75 4.95 20.21 25 4.00 $18.00 4.75 21.06 26 3.85 $17.31 4.57 21.90 27 3.70 $16.67 4.40 22.74 28 3.57 $16.07 4.24 23.58 29 3.45 $15.52 4.09 24.42 30 3.33 $15.00 3.96 25.27 31 3.23 $14.52 3.83 26.11 32 3.13 $14.06 3.71 26.95 33 3.03 $13.64 3.60 27.79 34 2.94 $13.24 3.49 28.64 35 2.86 $12.86 3.39 29.48 36 2.78 $12.50 3.30 30.32 37 2.70 $12.16 3.21 31.16 38 2.63 $11.84 3.12 32.00 39 2.56 $11.54 3.04 32.85 40 2.50 $11.25 2.97 33.69 41 2.44 $10.98 2.90 34.53 42 2.38 $10.71 2.83 35.37 43 2.33 $10.47 2.76 36.22 44 2.27 $10.23 2.70 37.06 45 2.22 $10.00 2.64 37.90 46 2.17 $9.78 2.58 38.74 47 2.13 $9.57 2.53 39.58 48 2.08 $9.38 2.47 40.43 49 2.04 $9.18 2.42 41.27 50 2.00 $9.00 2.37 42.11 for 100 miles... Diesel at $7.45/gal, Gas at $9.07/gal a 20mpg Diesel rig compares to a 24.35 mpg GAS rig. miles: NL (US prices and gals) 100 $7.45 $9.07 Diesel GAS Diesel mpg: gals used: COST GAS used MPG same miles: equivalent 20 5.00 $37.25 4.11 24.35 21 4.76 $35.48 3.91 25.57 22 4.55 $33.86 3.73 26.78 23 4.35 $32.39 3.57 28.00 24 4.17 $31.04 3.42 29.22 25 4.00 $29.80 3.29 30.44 26 3.85 $28.65 3.16 31.65 27 3.70 $27.59 3.04 32.87 28 3.57 $26.61 2.93 34.09 29 3.45 $25.69 2.83 35.31 30 3.33 $24.83 2.74 36.52 31 3.23 $24.03 2.65 37.74 32 3.13 $23.28 2.57 38.96 33 3.03 $22.58 2.49 40.18 34 2.94 $21.91 2.42 41.39 35 2.86 $21.29 2.35 42.61 36 2.78 $20.69 2.28 43.83 37 2.70 $20.14 2.22 45.05 38 2.63 $19.61 2.16 46.26 39 2.56 $19.10 2.11 47.48 40 2.50 $18.63 2.05 48.70 41 2.44 $18.17 2.00 49.92 42 2.38 $17.74 1.96 51.13 43 2.33 $17.33 1.91 52.35 44 2.27 $16.93 1.87 53.57 45 2.22 $16.56 1.83 54.79 46 2.17 $16.20 1.79 56.00 47 2.13 $15.85 1.75 57.22 48 2.08 $15.52 1.71 58.44 49 2.04 $15.20 1.68 59.66 50 2.00 $14.90 1.64 60.87 ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum tunc aperuit illis sensum ut intellegerent scripturas http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:09:54 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: 13 Apr 2011 - Fuel prices US and NL - gas vs. Diesel total costs yeah, but commercial drivers pay their tax by weight and fees... NOT at the pump. The fuel taxes we see as regular motorists are different... so the high taxes placed on Diesel fuel is aimed at those of us caring enough to drive eco-friendly fuel efficient vehicles... not trucks/fleets... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum tunc aperuit illis sensum ut intellegerent scripturas http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 13 Apr 2011, Ed Kummel wrote: # Yeah, my theory on diesel prices being so high with taxes and all is that # diesel is primarily used for fleet transport, which is a business use. Fuel # expenses are tax deductions for businesses and as such, the government looses # it's taxes, so it puts on more tax so it can gouge the user more.... # It all comes down to who uses diesel in the majority...business can justify # the high cost as the cost of doing business because they can take it off of # their taxes! # # Ed # web/gadget guru # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # "Men riding dragons throwing wolves at maggots" # # -Ryan, Scary Movie 4 # # --- On Wed, 4/13/11, john wrote: # # From: john # Subject: xj: 13 Apr 2011 - Fuel prices US and NL - gas vs. Diesel total # costs # To: # Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 4:47 PM # # interesting to note that Europe, and the rest of the world fairly prices # Diesel, while the US taxes it more... # ---------------------------------------------------- # just think, $9.00 a gallon for gasoline... but "only" $7.45/gallon for # Diesel... # ---------------------------------------------------- # my jetta TDI is looking pretty good right now... selling that 4.7L V8 gas # powered Grand Cherokee looks like a good decision. # ---------------------------------------------------- # drove by two places this morning: # gas diesel # lowest: 3.79 4.50 # high: 3.99 4.57 # ---------------------------------------------------- # email from NL: # NL Unleaded $2.39/liter $9.07/GALLON b, 1.74/ltr b, 6.59/US # gal # NL Diesel $1.97 $7.45 b, 1.43 b, 5.41 # ---------------------------------------------------- # liter us gal liter us gal # US b low Diesel $1.19 $4.50 b, 0.85 b, 3.24 # US b high Diesel $1.21 $4.57 b, 0.87 b, 3.29 # # liter us gal liter us gal # US b low Unleaded $1.00 $3.79 b, 0.72 b, 2.73 # US b high Unleaded $1.05 $3.99 b, 0.76 b, 2.87 # ---------------------------------------------------- # # So, comparing Diesel vs. Gas Costs in terms of MPG: # # 20-50 mpg Diesel ... as in the USA: # # for 100 miles... Diesel at $4.50/gal, Gas at $3.79/gal a 20mpg Diesel rig # compares to a 16.84 mpg GAS rig. # # miles: # 100 # $4.50 $3.79 # Diesel GAS # Diesel # mpg: gals # used: COST GAS used # same miles: # MPG(gas) # equivalent # 20 5.00 $22.50 5.94 16.84 # 21 4.76 $21.43 5.65 17.69 # 22 4.55 $20.45 5.40 18.53 # 23 4.35 $19.57 5.16 19.37 # 24 4.17 $18.75 4.95 20.21 # 25 4.00 $18.00 4.75 21.06 # 26 3.85 $17.31 4.57 21.90 # 27 3.70 $16.67 4.40 22.74 # 28 3.57 $16.07 4.24 23.58 # 29 3.45 $15.52 4.09 24.42 # 30 3.33 $15.00 3.96 25.27 # 31 3.23 $14.52 3.83 26.11 # 32 3.13 $14.06 3.71 26.95 # 33 3.03 $13.64 3.60 27.79 # 34 2.94 $13.24 3.49 28.64 # 35 2.86 $12.86 3.39 29.48 # 36 2.78 $12.50 3.30 30.32 # 37 2.70 $12.16 3.21 31.16 # 38 2.63 $11.84 3.12 32.00 # 39 2.56 $11.54 3.04 32.85 # 40 2.50 $11.25 2.97 33.69 # 41 2.44 $10.98 2.90 34.53 # 42 2.38 $10.71 2.83 35.37 # 43 2.33 $10.47 2.76 36.22 # 44 2.27 $10.23 2.70 37.06 # 45 2.22 $10.00 2.64 37.90 # 46 2.17 $9.78 2.58 38.74 # 47 2.13 $9.57 2.53 39.58 # 48 2.08 $9.38 2.47 40.43 # 49 2.04 $9.18 2.42 41.27 # 50 2.00 $9.00 2.37 42.11 # # for 100 miles... Diesel at $7.45/gal, Gas at $9.07/gal a 20mpg Diesel rig # compares to a 24.35 mpg GAS rig. # # miles: NL (US prices and gals) # 100 # $7.45 $9.07 # Diesel GAS # Diesel mpg: gals used: COST GAS used MPG # same miles: equivalent # 20 5.00 $37.25 4.11 24.35 # 21 4.76 $35.48 3.91 25.57 # 22 4.55 $33.86 3.73 26.78 # 23 4.35 $32.39 3.57 28.00 # 24 4.17 $31.04 3.42 29.22 # 25 4.00 $29.80 3.29 30.44 # 26 3.85 $28.65 3.16 31.65 # 27 3.70 $27.59 3.04 32.87 # 28 3.57 $26.61 2.93 34.09 # 29 3.45 $25.69 2.83 35.31 # 30 3.33 $24.83 2.74 36.52 # 31 3.23 $24.03 2.65 37.74 # 32 3.13 $23.28 2.57 38.96 # 33 3.03 $22.58 2.49 40.18 # 34 2.94 $21.91 2.42 41.39 # 35 2.86 $21.29 2.35 42.61 # 36 2.78 $20.69 2.28 43.83 # 37 2.70 $20.14 2.22 45.05 # 38 2.63 $19.61 2.16 46.26 # 39 2.56 $19.10 2.11 47.48 # 40 2.50 $18.63 2.05 48.70 # 41 2.44 $18.17 2.00 49.92 # 42 2.38 $17.74 1.96 51.13 # 43 2.33 $17.33 1.91 52.35 # 44 2.27 $16.93 1.87 53.57 # 45 2.22 $16.56 1.83 54.79 # 46 2.17 $16.20 1.79 56.00 # 47 2.13 $15.85 1.75 57.22 # 48 2.08 $15.52 1.71 58.44 # 49 2.04 $15.20 1.68 59.66 # 50 2.00 $14.90 1.64 60.87 # # # # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # tunc aperuit illis sensum ut intellegerent scripturas # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:08:20 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: Chicago trip - 15 May 2011 FLYING INTO CHICAGO - will be at a family reunion in McHenry, IL at Stade's Farm - SUNDAY - 15 May 2011... friends can drop between 2 and 5pm or so... My wife and I will only be in the area a few days, so this about the only time we'll have to visit... drop on by the farm between 2 and 5 and say hi! Email ahead of time with your phone number and what time you might be there. Looking forward to it... http://www.stadesfarmandmarket.com/home.php john meister ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum tunc aperuit illis sensum ut intellegerent scripturas http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 06:05:02 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: xj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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