From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Jul 8 15:44:51 2011 From: xj-digest xj-digest Friday, July 8 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3302 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: update on tires: the mizzle report xj: track bar upgrade for use with a low lift? Re: xj: track bar upgrade for use with a low lift? xj: Re: fsj: Steering Wheel on the Wrong Side Re: xj: Re: fsj: Steering Wheel on the Wrong Side Re: xj: Re: fsj: Steering Wheel on the Wrong Side Re: xj: Re: fsj: Steering Wheel on the Wrong Side RE: xj: Re: fsj: Steering Wheel on the Wrong Side XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 09:48:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: update on tires: the mizzle report mizzling in Seattle, roads wet... new Arizonian Silver Editions are far superior to Continental ContiPros replaced... I could break the tires loose in 1st gear, but it was much easier to hook up than with the Contis, 2nd gear has traction now... unless turning... someone mentioned these tires were an issue on wet roads... I thought maybe the design had been changed over the last 20+ years since the last set, but nope... as good as ever... suspect that the person experienced road film issues common in dry areas... we don't have that problem so much here... especially considering it's not supposed to rain until Labor Day... ;) in other news, a friend shared this link: http://lonestar-mvpa.org/events/2005/05_Katrina.htm and one of my sister in laws in SD shared this: http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/breakingnews/Eyewitness-Fireworks-accident-decapitates-Fargo-man-125083634.html john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 11:08:56 -0700 From: ernest breakfield Subject: xj: track bar upgrade for use with a low lift? hi all! it's probably (past) time for a track bar, and possibly associated upgrades, but most aftermarket track bars i see advertised state that they're for lifts starting at 3.5" or higher; any recommendations for something with a lower lift? lift is OME with an extra set of extra coil isolators in the front. (OME HD and YJ shackles in the rear.) cheers! e ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 12:58:33 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: track bar upgrade for use with a low lift? there was an adjustable track bar that I bought at Central 4wd, but that was a long time ago... it worked well... was around $105 only... had 3" of lift... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 7 Jul 2011, ernest breakfield wrote: # hi all! # # it's probably (past) time for a track bar, and possibly associated # upgrades, but most aftermarket track bars i see advertised state that # they're for lifts starting at 3.5" or higher; any recommendations for # something with a lower lift? # # lift is OME with an extra set of extra coil isolators in the front. # (OME HD and YJ shackles in the rear.) # # # cheers! # e # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 22:47:28 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: Re: fsj: Steering Wheel on the Wrong Side mark, great info! love hearing this kind of history and insight from a real engineer who worked in detroit! thanx for sharing! so driving on the right was one of ford's better ideas? Actually, I think it was... I'd have a miserable time shifting with my left hand... ;) I wonder how I'd do on the Top Gear test track having to shift left-handed, I'm sure it would affect my time... as if... ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 8 Jul 2011, Mark Wallace wrote: # It was Henry Ford who first put the steering wheel on the left hand side. # (LHS while reading your MG manual). Every Ford prior to the Model T had the # steering wheel on the right except for the real early center steer cars. Henry # Ford put the steering wheel on the left hand side because he liked it there. # With the popularity of Ford cars others followed suit. More of the world # drives on the left side of the road with right hand drive cars than drives on # the right side of the road with left hand drive cars. Most of the world also # uses the silly metric system....to which I respond that that American Flag on # the moon....that was put there with 9/16 and 5/8 and 1/2. # # If you look at a Model T (1908 to 1927) the doors on the driver's side don't # actually open, they are just style lines. You would climb in on the passenger # side and slide across the seat. There was no shifter in the center because a # Model T has a planetary transmission that you shifted with pedals. When you # get into a Model A (1928-1931) the single keyed door lock was on the passenger # side (right hand side) but there was a proper sliding shaft transmission, with # a proper "H" shift pattern. (no syncros yet, they come on line in 1932) For # the first few months of production the Model A still had the parking brake to # the left of the driver as on the Model T. And if you set the parking brake you # will trip on it getting in and out on an early Model A through the driver's # door. # # How we use cars has changed a little bit over the last 80 or so years. # # Mark Wallace # 81 Wag # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 10:09:51 +0100 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Steering Wheel on the Wrong Side "so driving on the right was one of ford's better ideas?" Not sure I'd agree with you John ;-) Steve On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 6:47 AM, john wrote: > mark, > > great info! love hearing this kind of history and insight from a real > engineer who worked in detroit! thanx for sharing! > > so driving on the right was one of ford's better ideas? Actually, I think > it was... I'd have a miserable time shifting with my left hand... ;) I > wonder how I'd do on the Top Gear test track having to shift left-handed, > I'm sure it would affect my time... as if... ;) > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -o|||||o- > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Fri, 8 Jul 2011, Mark Wallace wrote: > > # It was Henry Ford who first put the steering wheel on the left hand > side. > # (LHS while reading your MG manual). Every Ford prior to the Model T had > the > # steering wheel on the right except for the real early center steer cars. > Henry > # Ford put the steering wheel on the left hand side because he liked it > there. > # With the popularity of Ford cars others followed suit. More of the > world > # drives on the left side of the road with right hand drive cars than > drives on > # the right side of the road with left hand drive cars. Most of the world > also > # uses the silly metric system....to which I respond that that American > Flag on > # the moon....that was put there with 9/16 and 5/8 and 1/2. > # > # If you look at a Model T (1908 to 1927) the doors on the driver's side > don't > # actually open, they are just style lines. You would climb in on the > passenger > # side and slide across the seat. There was no shifter in the center > because a > # Model T has a planetary transmission that you shifted with pedals. When > you > # get into a Model A (1928-1931) the single keyed door lock was on the > passenger > # side (right hand side) but there was a proper sliding shaft > transmission, with > # a proper "H" shift pattern. (no syncros yet, they come on line in 1932) > For > # the first few months of production the Model A still had the parking > brake to > # the left of the driver as on the Model T. And if you set the parking > brake you > # will trip on it getting in and out on an early Model A through the > driver's > # door. > # > # How we use cars has changed a little bit over the last 80 or so years. > # > # Mark Wallace > # 81 Wag > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 15:32:27 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Steering Wheel on the Wrong Side I'm sure you're not the only one. Right Terry? :) __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ - -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Rigley Sender: owner-xj-at-digest.net Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 10:09:51 To: Reply-To: xj-at-digest.netCc: Mark Wallace Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Steering Wheel on the Wrong Side "so driving on the right was one of ford's better ideas?" Not sure I'd agree with you John ;-) Steve On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 6:47 AM, john wrote: > mark, > > great info! love hearing this kind of history and insight from a real > engineer who worked in detroit! thanx for sharing! > > so driving on the right was one of ford's better ideas? Actually, I think > it was... I'd have a miserable time shifting with my left hand... ;) I > wonder how I'd do on the Top Gear test track having to shift left-handed, > I'm sure it would affect my time... as if... ;) > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -o|||||o- > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Fri, 8 Jul 2011, Mark Wallace wrote: > > # It was Henry Ford who first put the steering wheel on the left hand > side. > # (LHS while reading your MG manual). Every Ford prior to the Model T had > the > # steering wheel on the right except for the real early center steer cars. > Henry > # Ford put the steering wheel on the left hand side because he liked it > there. > # With the popularity of Ford cars others followed suit. More of the > world > # drives on the left side of the road with right hand drive cars than > drives on > # the right side of the road with left hand drive cars. Most of the world > also > # uses the silly metric system....to which I respond that that American > Flag on > # the moon....that was put there with 9/16 and 5/8 and 1/2. > # > # If you look at a Model T (1908 to 1927) the doors on the driver's side > don't > # actually open, they are just style lines. You would climb in on the > passenger > # side and slide across the seat. There was no shifter in the center > because a > # Model T has a planetary transmission that you shifted with pedals. When > you > # get into a Model A (1928-1931) the single keyed door lock was on the > passenger > # side (right hand side) but there was a proper sliding shaft > transmission, with > # a proper "H" shift pattern. (no syncros yet, they come on line in 1932) > For > # the first few months of production the Model A still had the parking > brake to > # the left of the driver as on the Model T. And if you set the parking > brake you > # will trip on it getting in and out on an early Model A through the > driver's > # door. > # > # How we use cars has changed a little bit over the last 80 or so years. > # > # Mark Wallace > # 81 Wag > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:42:31 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Steering Wheel on the Wrong Side Driving a large bus is an experience as well, especially on tight European roads. You are way out there, in front of the turning wheels, it's quite interesting, so I guess driving from the wrong (grin) side of the car wouldn't be that hard to adjust to. __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ - -----Original Message----- From: "T.Halmshaw" Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 02:22:49 To: Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Steering Wheel on the Wrong Side Having driven both LHD and RHD to be honest there is little in it, it seemed strange at first driving with the curb right beside me, but I got used to it. I drove Mustangs, Porsche, Camaro's Jeeps etc as well as brand new cars that we were doing commercials for when I worked at macs action vehicles, strangely the older cars didn't seem strange at all to drive compared to the newer ones. I would advise those that have judgement of distance issues to stay well clear of either one that is not correct for your region, if you have ever hit a curb even when trying not to I would advise you to stay well clear of a wheel that is on the wrong side of the car. Like all the American ones :) Terry. On 9/07/2011 1:32:27 AM, john (fullsizejeeps-at-gmail.com) wrote: > I'm sure you're not the only one. Right Terry? :) > > __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Rigley > Sender: owner-xj-at-digest.net > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 10:09:51 > To: > Reply-To: xj-at-digest.netCc: Mark Wallace > Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Steering Wheel on the Wrong Side > > "so driving on the right was one of ford's better ideas?" > Not sure > I'd agree with you John ;-) > Steve > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 6:47 AM, john wrote: > > > mark, > > > > great info! love hearing this kind of history and insight from a real > > engineer who worked in detroit! thanx for sharing! > > > > so driving on the right was one of ford's > better ideas? Actually, I think > > it was... > I'd have a miserable time shifting with my left hand... ;) I > > wonder how I'd > do on the Top Gear test track having to shift left-handed, > > > I'm sure it would affect my time... as if... ;) > > > > john > > > > ----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 15:44:23 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: xj: Re: fsj: Steering Wheel on the Wrong Side Having driven a 42 foot bus (same as on the movie Speed) that was 8' 5" wide (came with overwidth certification) that I turned into a Motor Home, and had NO power steering, I can say anything else isn't too hard to drive. I ended up selling it after my head injury messed with the vision in my right eye. The eye was knocked out of the socket and after being pushed back in, I had double vision for nearly a year, but I still lost some of my peripheral vision that was needed to drive that big beast safely. The head injury didn't help either. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Steering Wheel on the Wrong Side > To: timesawastin-at-bigpond.com; xj-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net > From: fullsizejeeps-at-gmail.com > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:42:31 +0000 > > Driving a large bus is an experience as well, especially on tight European roads. You are way out there, in front of the turning wheels, it's quite interesting, so I guess driving from the wrong (grin) side of the car wouldn't be that hard to adjust to. > > __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ > > -----Original Message----- > From: "T.Halmshaw" > Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 02:22:49 > To: > Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Steering Wheel on the Wrong Side > > Having driven both LHD and RHD to be honest there is little in it, > it seemed strange at first driving with the curb right beside me, but > I got used to it. > > I drove Mustangs, Porsche, Camaro's Jeeps etc as well as brand new > cars that we were doing commercials for when I worked at macs > action vehicles, strangely the older cars didn't seem strange at all to > drive compared to the newer ones. > > I would advise those that have judgement of distance issues to stay well > clear of either one that is not correct for your region, if you have ever hit > a curb even when trying not to I would advise you to stay well clear of a > wheel that is on the wrong side of the car. > > > > Like all the American ones :) > > Terry. > > On 9/07/2011 1:32:27 AM, john (fullsizejeeps-at-gmail.com) wrote: > > I'm sure you're not the only one. Right Terry? :) > > > > __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Rigley > > Sender: owner-xj-at-digest.net > > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 10:09:51 > > To: > > Reply-To: xj-at-digest.netCc: Mark Wallace > > Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Steering Wheel on the Wrong Side > > > > "so driving on the right was one of ford's better ideas?" > > Not sure > > I'd agree with you John ;-) > > Steve > > > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 6:47 AM, john wrote: > > > > > mark, > > > > > > great info! love hearing this kind of history and insight from a real > > > engineer who worked in detroit! thanx for sharing! > > > > > > so driving on the right was one of ford's > > better ideas? Actually, I think > > > it was... > > I'd have a miserable time shifting with my left hand... ;) I > > > wonder how I'd > > do on the Top Gear test track having to shift left-handed, > > > > > I'm sure it would affect my time... as if... ;) > > > > > > john > > > > > > ----- > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3302 *************************