From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Sep 14 23:05:00 2011 From: xj-digest xj-digest Thursday, September 15 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3326 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Rear discs for '87 Cherokee xj: White Knuckle swapmeet in Enumclaw, WA on sunday September the 25th! Re: xj: Rear discs for '87 Cherokee xj: parts run... xj: keeping the Jetta... '87 300D zu verkaufen. Re: xj: Rear discs for '87 Cherokee xj: administrivia: notes on using this list XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 20:37:33 -0700 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: xj: Rear discs for '87 Cherokee interesting. i may actually have to go look over someones shoulder at a J**p dealer to see if they can verify this; i'm still highly skeptical. if this was a legitimate option for XJs with ABS, i may have to start another Wish List. ;-* cheers! e On 11/Sep/11 19:42, Jim Blair wrote: > Only the D35. Same setup the ZJs used. Including calipers. My NAPA computer > shows them? > > > From: ernest breakfield > Subject: Re: xj: Rear discs for '87 Cherokee > > interesting; i can't find anyone who lists rotors for these except one > reference from Rock Auto for one aftermarket mfr, and even they don't > list calipers,... > > given the number of errors i routinely see in parts catalogs, > forgive me, but i have to remain skeptical. can you provide any other > info on this alleged option or parts involved? for example, which axle; > D35 or ChryCo? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:43:59 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: xj: White Knuckle swapmeet in Enumclaw, WA on sunday September the 25th! Sunday September 25th Enumclaw Expo Center 9am-3pm Admission is only $5 (12 and under free) Come sell your stuff. Vendor setup Saturday from 6pm-8-30pm and Sunday from 6am-9am Flier here- http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/3134...7-pm-385k?da=y ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 07:26:56 +0100 From: Vincent Bentley Subject: Re: xj: Rear discs for '87 Cherokee I have had ZJ rear disc brakes on my XJ D35 for the last eight years. I couldn't get the ABS to work. I can't remember what the differences are exactly as it was some time ago but I think the tone rings and sensors were different between the models. I kept my XJ axle shafts instead of trying ZJ shafts. On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 20:37 -0700, ernest breakfield wrote: > interesting. > > i may actually have to go look over someones shoulder at a J**p > dealer to see if they can verify this; i'm still highly skeptical. > if this was a legitimate option for XJs with ABS, i may have to > start another Wish List. ;-* > > > cheers! > e > > > On 11/Sep/11 19:42, Jim Blair wrote: > > Only the D35. Same setup the ZJs used. Including calipers. My NAPA computer > > shows them? > > > > > > From: ernest breakfield > > Subject: Re: xj: Rear discs for '87 Cherokee > > > > interesting; i can't find anyone who lists rotors for these except one > > reference from Rock Auto for one aftermarket mfr, and even they don't > > list calipers,... > > > > given the number of errors i routinely see in parts catalogs, > > forgive me, but i have to remain skeptical. can you provide any other > > info on this alleged option or parts involved? for example, which axle; > > D35 or ChryCo? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 00:33:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: parts run... found silver body parts for the deer damaged jetta (2003 silver wagon 5spd)in chehalis... the wrecking yard said they were good parts... hah! drove 120 miles to find nothing as described. spent several hours roaming the wrecking yard finding bits and pieces of broken and bent parts... found a hood, but it was slightly dented, bought it anyway... reasonable fender... frosted headlight with a broken tab(but good bulbs!!!), mirror without glass(discount)... :) had to swap hoods in the parking lot... tossed the rest of the pieces in the back of the wagon and zipped up I-5 to centralia to curtis' two hours later we had the parts installed and I bought him a pizza for dinner... he's been working on superdawg, pictures at: http://fotomeister.us/2011/09-Sep-13-JettaRepair-SuperDawg-Centralia/ALL.html we got the other jetta (2002 white Sedan with AT) out of aamco this morning... they messed up the grille putting an external trans cooler on it... they didn't do anything to the transmission though... and are trying to blame the shifting problem on the Diesel engine... the "technician" explained to me that there was a vacuum problem... showed me the vaccum lines and said they were all cracked... they weren't, they're the typical cloth covered vacuum lines seen on a lot of German cars... then he proceeded to explain to me how the little flapper thing (the egr) was controlled by engine vacuum and that it was causing the engine to stumble on throttle opening... he pointed to the little round thing on the end of the engine (the temperature switch to allow vacuum to the egr once warm) and said that's why the shift from 1-2 was causing the engine to fall on it's face... I think he saw the look on my face... I think explained to him that Diesels don't have little flapper things to control air flow and that thing he was pointing to was the EGR and the other thing the temp control to only make it work once it was warmed up... So I asked questions about the transmission... are there any vacuum controls? no. it's all electronic. were there any codes in the computer. no. So, basically they don't understand Diesels so they blamed the shifting problem on it. I don't understand how even a throttle position sensor could cause a problem only in one gear and not spit up a code... I still think there is an issue with the 1-2 solenoid or valve in the TDI/AT trans. we'll see... I have a "free" diagnostic check coupon from the local VW dealer and an airbag light that I tripped by accident, so I'll have them check the codes, clear the airbag indicator and give my throttle position a clean bill of health... thinking I'll take the car to dave's transmission in lynnwood, have them fix it and send aamco the bill. This is the fourth or fifth time they've tried to fix it... competence is not evident in any of the folks I've dealt with... they've damaged more than they've fixed and lost significant parts of the car... (skid plates, battery covers, inner fenders...) all this to say, AVOID FRANCHISE repair outfits... wish the PO had. :) now, I need to decide if I'm going to keep the '87 300D or the '03 Jetta TDI wagon... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:55:41 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: keeping the Jetta... '87 300D zu verkaufen. "1987 Mercedes 300D turbo Diesel" (cars & trucks - by owner) Should now be viewable at the following URL: http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/2598425586.html putting the 300D up at $7k - pretty much what I've put into it... high retail via NADA is $8300. new or recent: brakes, tires, shocks, radiator, a/c, stereo, alarm only things that don't work are the trip odometer reset, clock and outside temp gauge (got the wrong part). (a new cluster would solve all the remaining problems... ) It's in excellent shape, super clean... you'd never know this thing was 24 years old. the paint is better than my 2003 and 2002 Jettas... it has clearly been well cared for. Just spent $1500 on all new shocks/struts, belt/tensioner, timing/oil chain has been checked and deemed fine. another $500 on new radiator/ac. cruise works from time to time, typical mercedes cruise control. :) I have a new ignition lock and keys ordered, the current one is fine, but having owned several of these cars I'm into preventing issues... also have the mileage award badge coming for the car. I'm going to buy a bucket of bondo and try to improve the appearance of my Jetta... I'm thinking that with the progress Curtis has had on Superdawg that I may have my AT Diesel J10 on the road in my lifetime... will live with the manual trans Jetta until then. :) I drove the benz this morning... I just spent about a week in the saddle of the bruised and battered Jetta... I think we've bonded... after seeing it fixed up yesterday I just can't let it go... :) The 300D is a beauty... great ride... nice seats... quieter, more refined, more dignified... and totally rust free... http://wagoneers.com/tmp/87-300D/ALL.html john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:59:20 -0700 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: xj: Rear discs for '87 Cherokee thanks, Vincent; that jives with what i've heard on this topic in the past. thanks for sharing that data point! cheers! e On 13/Sep/11 23:26, Vincent Bentley wrote: > I have had ZJ rear disc brakes on my XJ D35 for the last eight years. I > couldn't get the ABS to work. I can't remember what the differences are > exactly as it was some time ago but I think the tone rings and sensors > were different between the models. I kept my XJ axle shafts instead of > trying ZJ shafts. > > On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 20:37 -0700, ernest breakfield wrote: >> interesting. >> >> i may actually have to go look over someones shoulder at a J**p >> dealer to see if they can verify this; i'm still highly skeptical. >> if this was a legitimate option for XJs with ABS, i may have to >> start another Wish List. ;-* >> >> >> cheers! >> e >> >> >> On 11/Sep/11 19:42, Jim Blair wrote: >>> Only the D35. Same setup the ZJs used. Including calipers. My NAPA computer >>> shows them? >>> >>> >>> From: ernest breakfield >>> Subject: Re: xj: Rear discs for '87 Cherokee >>> >>> interesting; i can't find anyone who lists rotors for these except one >>> reference from Rock Auto for one aftermarket mfr, and even they don't >>> list calipers,... >>> >>> given the number of errors i routinely see in parts catalogs, >>> forgive me, but i have to remain skeptical. can you provide any other >>> info on this alleged option or parts involved? for example, which axle; >>> D35 or ChryCo? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 06:05:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: xj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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