From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Mar 14 23:05:00 2012 From: xj-digest To: xj-digest-at-digest.net Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 06:05:25 +0000 Subject: xj-digest V1 #3371 xj-digest Thursday, March 15 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3371 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: RE: failing 4.7's. [WJ-Grand](fwd) xj: crash video wj xj: Re: [db] crash video wj xj: interesting story xj: administrivia: notes on using this list XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:11:20 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: RE: failing 4.7's. [WJ-Grand](fwd) http://www.ehow.com/about_5571443_dodge-engine-problems.html some interesting details in this article... on my first '99 WJ with a 4.7L V8 I noticed white deposits on the oil filler cap. Of course I immediately change my cars over to amsoil synthetics so I may have saved that engine during the time I had it, and I saw it driving around a couple years later... But a bad PCV would account for that emulsification by not venting properly. That's why it seems that a lot of these failed 4.7's that I've seen are in cities with low miles.... that and they use the minute-lube oil that is generally high in stuff that coats the insides of the engine and breaks down quickly. So if you mixed lack of warming an engine up, poor quality oil that has additive packages that break down quickly, oil that is known to leave varnish and other deposits, and a bad crankcase ventilation system, you've got a recipe for engine troubles. The other issues with the thin walls and such may not be as easily dealt with, except to say you don't want to overheat these engines... If you do get one, have the engine cleaned and flushed... a number of ways you could do that, anything from a quart of Diesel fuel run through it for a while, engine cleaner, or some other controlled, no-load operation to get that crap off the galleries and into the filter... you'll likely need to change the filter or clean it several times... then you'll want to switch it to either a high detergent oil that meets the engine requirements, remember you have an expensive over head camshaft to protect, or a full synthetic oil, and then change the filters maybe at 500 miles, then at 1,000 and so on until the engine oil is clean. You'll be able to tell how the oil is doing by the dipstick, and the oil filler cap. I've had two high mileage 4.7s, never had a problem with them... probably because they were taken out and driven with proper maintenance. These engines spin up quickly, they are fast and powerful... I squeezed 21.3 mpg on synthetics out of mine... they will cruise nicely at 75-80 mpg with the a/c on all day and still give you a solid 18 mpg. But if you're not warming these up and driving short distances on cheap oil you WILL kill them... If you have short commute, run synthetic, use a block heater and make sure the PCV valve is working... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- b^\A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college educationb^] Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: dave To: WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:21:32 -0500 Subject: RE: failing 4.7's. [WJ-Grand] OM617s http://www.ehow.com/about_5571443_dodge-engine-problems.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:09:55 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: crash video wj really shocked at how much structural damage the wj sustained: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8N6heV_cxjY ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- b^\A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college educationb^] Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:44:12 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: Re: [db] crash video wj have a friend who's WJ was rear ended... it pretty much went like that, don't recall the speeds involved, but even the seats were broken. The WJ's I've seen in the parts yards were usually in bad shape stem to stern... I noticed some groaning in the WJ chassis when towing an equipment trailer with a Full Size Jeep on the back... yeah, it was probably overloaded, but I've done that with XJs and SJs, just keep your speed down and don't go far... the XJs didn't protest as much as the WJ did, but the WJ had way more power and a lot better brakes... just not as solid of a chassis. :( The crash videos I saw of the 2011 dodge with a jeep badge seemed to do much better, but you'd expect that, it didn't have any windows to speak of, it was just a box of metal... ;) I really like the WJs... but after seeing that front impact video I'm not so sure I want another one... will have to look at the WK videos... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- b^\A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college educationb^] Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 13 Mar 2012, Alec Cordova wrote: # Rough calculations suggest the Taurus was running in the ballpark of 65MPH. # (about 22 frames to cover the distance of one tire, assuming a Taurus # like that use 195/65-15 tires) # # The deceleration in the car looks worse than the acceleration in the # Jeep, but the Jeep looks like the riskier place to be. # # Cool stuff. # # Alec # # On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:09 AM, john wrote: # > really shocked at how much structural damage the wj sustained: # > # > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8N6heV_cxjY # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold # > buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > b A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college # > educationb # > Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) # > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:26:45 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: interesting story a friend on facebook shared this story... http://jalopnik.com/5893016/if-you-steal-a-racers-trailer-you-will-get-your-a ss-kicked john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- b^\A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college educationb^] Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 06:05:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: xj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? 3. How do I post to the list? 4. Where are the archives? 5. What other lists are on digest.net? 6. Is there a web subscription form? 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? 8. How do I contact the server adminstrator in an emergency? 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? The Meta-FAQ 1. Why don't my postings go through? There are several things that may interfere with postings making it to the list. a) Are you a member? Some read the ftp archives rather than receiving the list in email. 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