From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Apr 3 15:02:00 2012 From: xj-digest To: xj-digest-at-digest.net Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 22:02:11 +0000 Subject: xj-digest V1 #3375 xj-digest Tuesday, April 3 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3375 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: key-on; no radio, fan or blinkers? Re: xj: key-on; no radio, fan or blinkers? Re: xj: key-on; no radio, fan or blinkers? Re: [Jeep Cherokee's] Re: xj: key-on; no radio, fan or blinkers? xj: Re: [CJ-10List] om617 in a cj10a XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 09:37:57 -0700 From: ernest breakfield Subject: xj: key-on; no radio, fan or blinkers? am having an issue with the '94 XJ i don't remember having heard of before, and am wondering if anyone might be familiar with this. when turning the key to the On position, i have no stereo, blinkers, A/C or blower fan; it's as if there's no power to anything on the dash. turn the key to the Accessories position, and everything lights up as normal. (Hazard lights work in both positions.) i've looked at the fuse boxes hoping to find something that looked like it might be related to just the area of the things on the dash, but am becoming suspect of the actual ignition mechanism itself, especially since i know the steering column/switch was repaired after it was mangled in a theft many years ago. any ideas? cheers! e ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:51:24 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: xj: key-on; no radio, fan or blinkers? It does sound like the ignition switch or the wiring in the column itself. You could test this theory by connecting a wire from the battery to the "on" power circuit with the key turned to on, if things work you'd know it was the switch or wiring in the column. To replace the switch you have to pull the wheel off to get to it. I don't think that it's the tumbler part but where the tumblers slide in. John - ------Original Message------ From: ernest breakfield Sender: owner-xj-at-digest.net To: xj list To: xj To: jeepcherokees-at-yahoogroups.com ReplyTo: xj Subject: xj: key-on; no radio, fan or blinkers? Sent: Apr 1, 2012 09:37 am having an issue with the '94 XJ i don't remember having heard of before, and am wondering if anyone might be familiar with this. when turning the key to the On position, i have no stereo, blinkers, A/C or blower fan; it's as if there's no power to anything on the dash. turn the key to the Accessories position, and everything lights up as normal. (Hazard lights work in both positions.) i've looked at the fuse boxes hoping to find something that looked like it might be related to just the area of the things on the dash, but am becoming suspect of the actual ignition mechanism itself, especially since i know the steering column/switch was repaired after it was mangled in a theft many years ago. any ideas? cheers! e __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:37:33 -0500 From: Tom Moulder Subject: Re: xj: key-on; no radio, fan or blinkers? When you say you turn it to the "ON" position, do you mean after the Jeep is running or directly from the Accessory position? If the latter, they probably shut off so they don't draw power away from the starter, but turn back on afterwards. Of course if these things are on when the car isn't running in the accessory position and aren't on when the engine is running and in the On position, there must be a short somewhere. It is in one of the worst possible places for repair as no one wants to take apart a steering column, but hopefully you can test it in the engine bay and find the culprit there. Do you have an electrical diagram for your Jeep? It would probably be cheaper in the long run to replace the switch with a new one than repair this one or buy a used one. It would also give you the opportunity to change to a push button starter. One of the worst things we do is hang heavy key-laden chains from the ignition key which is why more and more vehicles come with push button starters. Good luck On 4/1/2012 11:37 AM, ernest breakfield wrote: > am having an issue with the '94 XJ i don't remember having heard of > before, and am wondering if anyone might be familiar with this. > > when turning the key to the On position, i have no stereo, > blinkers, A/C or blower fan; it's as if there's no power to anything on > the dash. turn the key to the Accessories position, and everything > lights up as normal. (Hazard lights work in both positions.) > > i've looked at the fuse boxes hoping to find something that looked > like it might be related to just the area of the things on the dash, but > am becoming suspect of the actual ignition mechanism itself, especially > since i know the steering column/switch was repaired after it was > mangled in a theft many years ago. > > any ideas? > > > cheers! > e > - -- Tom Moulder Houston, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:06:01 -0700 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: [Jeep Cherokee's] Re: xj: key-on; no radio, fan or blinkers? On 01/Apr/12 11:37, Tom Moulder wrote: > > When you say you turn it to the "ON" position, do you mean after the > Jeep is running or directly from the Accessory position? > i can't answer that question directly the way you've phrased it. at least on my '94 XJ, ON is the position between Off and Start, while the Accessories position is in the opposite direction, all the way back from Off; there is no way to go directly from Accessories to On. radio, fan and blinkers are normally all powered in the On position, both before the engine is started and afterward. i currently have no power to the radio, fan or blinkers when the key is in the On position, no matter whether the engine has been started yet or not. coming from a background with a variety of motoring interests, it's always been my habit to turn the key from Off to On and wait until i hear the fuel pump stop pressurizing, then turn the key to the Start position. since this J**p was new, all the accessories would come on when the key was in the On position before i started the engine, and again when the Starter was released. > If the latter, > they probably shut off so they don't draw power away from the starter, > but turn back on afterwards. > normal operation for these things is for the radio, fan and blinkers to all go off when the key is in the Off or Start position, but not otherwise. as described, i have no power to the radio, fan or blinkers unless the key is in the Accessories position. > Of course if these things are on when the > car isn't running in the accessory position and aren't on when the > engine is running and in the On position, there must be a short > somewhere. > that's the condition i described, but i'm not assuming it's a short; i'm more inclined to suspect it's an 'Open'. question is; where and why? > It is in one of the worst possible places for repair as no > one wants to take apart a steering column, but hopefully you can test it > in the engine bay and find the culprit there. > agree that i am not eager to tear apart the steering column, especially if there's any chance that it might be something else... > Do you have an electrical > diagram for your Jeep? > yes, i have the FSM. > It would probably be cheaper in the long run to > replace the switch with a new one than repair this one or buy a used > one. > i wouldn't put a used switch in *if* that's the problem,... i haven't narrowed it down to that yet. if it does come to that, the only good news is that the '94 is the last year to not have an airbag to deal with! > It would also give you the opportunity to change to a push button > starter. > that's not a solution to any problem i'm having, and i'm not interested in modifying it to work in a non-stock manner. > One of the worst things we do is hang heavy key-laden chains > from the ignition key which is why more and more vehicles come with push > button starters. > agreed and disagreed. i never put any other keys on the ring with my vehicles keys, so i'm certain that's not a contributing factor to this issue; we have too many keys and too many vehicles to want to carry all our keys around all the time. heck, since i frequently spend time on a bicycle, i often don't need *any* vehicle keys with me. as for why vehicles come with push button starters, we're wandering off topic now, but i think that's more a matter of fashion. sadly, the ignition switches in the GM steering columns used in our XJs are some of the easiest to overcome ever designed, and were built that way just based on cost. (i won't describe here specifically how to over come them for reasons i think most XJ owners would appreciate, but suffice to say it's absurdly quick and easy.) personally, i think Saab best handled the problem of cars being too easy to steal by compromising a steering column decades ago by putting the key on the floor where it locks the transmission instead of just the steering column. this also made the weight of a keyring a non-issue. cheers! e ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 15:01:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: Re: [CJ-10List] om617 in a cj10a check with http://www.mercedesdiesel4x4.com/ (koch enterprises) http://www.mercedesdiesel4x4.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=1817 they changed their website, at one point they had a YJ with an OM617 running, and were working on an automatic trans version... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- b^\A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college educationb^] Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 16 Jan 2012, anyware4you wrote: # Looking for info on a om617 in a cj10a ,i am considering using a toyota 5 speed trans and transfer case,and 31x10.50-15 tires,any thoughts on axle ratio,?? with dana 44s and how it would run,thanks for any help.Marv. ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #3375 *************************