Date: 14 Apr 97 03:43:55 EDT From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Rear tire/jerrycan mounts "Sc0" <sphynx-at-apathy.net> writes: >> Has anyone done a propane conversion, or rebuilt their AMC engine and noticed better mileage? << The list record for the 360 is 20 MPG highway from Jim the Mechanic's '82 (?) Wide-Track w/ 33s and a 4" lift. The engine was put together well and it had a Holley Projection without loop-back. The tranny was a TF-727, he had ARBs front & rear but, I can't remember what his axle ratio was. I don't think Jim is lurking on the list anymore? -- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 14-Apr-1997 at 00:15:59 PDT !^NavFont01F000EMG`HGiMG71HH85F269[Back to Top]
Date: 14 Apr 97 03:44:11 EDT From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: My AC doesn't work either LHQT20A-at-prodigy.com (MR ROBERT A HOWELLS) write: >> Maybe someone can help with my ac problem on my 79 Cherokee w/360. The blower works but the air goes from barely cool to warm. Does this indicate that I need a recharge? << If your compressor is engaging, it does sound like lack of freon. Your symptoms usually mean too much or too little freon in the system. I doubt it is too much. R-12 Freon (the stuff your system uses) has gotten so expensive that you should take it to a professional and have it diagnosed. They will put enough freon in it to get it to work and then check it for leaks. No leaks you're home-free. If it leaks, you will be required to have the leak fixed before they can legally charge the system. It's not altogether a bad situation because freon cost so much now, if it leaks it'll cost you a small fortune in regular freon injections to keep it cool anyway. >> What is Freon going for these days? << Worth it's weight in gold. REally, shop around because the price seems to vary a lot. I would say the average is about $25-30 a pound. Your system's total capacity is about 3-3.5 lbs. >> Is there any type of diagnostic equipment available to the do it yourselfer to check for leaks,etc.? << Leaks are pretty easy because where ever there is a leak, the refrigerant oil will leak out also causing a oily spot/area. Of course, if the freon leaked out a long time ago; you aren't going to find any oily areas. You can still buy gauge sets for R-12 with no problems. They make halogen leak detectors for R-12 but, they are pretty expensive. I would guess $200. My A/C in the Jeep quit leaking at the low pressure (big hose) connection to the compressor. Probably because I have put enough stop-leak in it over the years to plug-up just about any hole. It is still blowing cold air and as soon as it gets warm enough, I'll charge it for summer. You can't buy stop-leak anymore in the US as far as I know. Hey, what happened to our fellow FSJer in Mexico? I wonder if he can still get 12-16 oz cans of R-12 and stop-leak relatively cheaply and without any hassle? We could send him int'l money orders and he could quietly ship it to us. For a return address, we would have him put John's address on every box :-). I'm going to Los Cabo for a week at the end of the month. I'll look into R-12 availability down there. I understand it's not illegal to sell/transport R-12 that was produced before the ban. -- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 14-Apr-1997 at 00:41:29 PDT !^NavFont01F000AMGsHGuHNB1CFCF[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 03:05:48 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com> Subject: Speedbleeders Hello, A while back we were discussing the brake bleeding process and I was pointing out how the brake fluid needs to be changed periodically same as other fluids. Your brake fluid will attract moisture etc. A friend just told me of a new product called Speedbleeder, a nifty new item that lets the brake bleeding process be done with only one person! The blleder has a check valve, all you do is loosen it up and pump the pedal....cool eh? I found the website tonite for these -must have- brake bleeders. I just ordered 8 of them for my Vette (Vette calipers have 2 bleeders per caliper X 4 calipers. Check these out at; http://www.speedbleeder.com I have no ties to this company. They are $6.95 each and made from quality materials. C'ya Joe- 79 Chief http://www.mindspring.com/~jsego[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 08:40:36 -0400 From: Bob Sisson <rsisson-at-erols.com> Subject: Cranky Wagoneer.... I have three problems with "Big Green Ugly" my 1979 Wagoneer that I hope the list can offer some suggestions on. 1 - The Transmission "hunts" between 2-3 on a steady grade. A little gas and it down shifts to 2nd and stays there. Shifts are firm, the shift from 2-3 is a little late, but otherwise oK. The Modulator is ok, although there is fluid on the fitting where it enters the transmission. 2 - After working a LONG time to get the vacume lines where they belong on a STOCK 360, I still have a deep hesitation off idle, or full throttle exceleration at any speed. Just had it tuned (sorry, haven't learned that magic yet) and its better, but still there. If I double pump the accel, it gets better. It as if carborator can't catch up after the accel pump. Ideas?? 3 - Last, I am looking for a replacement exhaust thermstat valve thing that goes on the pasanger manifold that increases backpreasure until it warms up, and then opens. The spring burned up on mine, and now it just spins (the valve that is) Any good sources ??[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:00:37 -0400 (EDT) From: TCOLLINS-at-aol.com Subject: FS Forward AMC 360 & TH400 Subject: FS: 360 AMC & TH400/QuadraTrac From: garymay-at-earthlink.net (Gary) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 23:41:11 GMT Message-ID: <5ip6da$9kf-at-bolivia.earthlink.net> Strong 360, '73, excellent trans QuadraTrac has a MileMarker Part time conversion with manual hubs and 16% Overdrive. Doesn't burn ANY oil, no leaks. Includes FREE 73 Wagoneer, Licensed (Wyoming) & drivable (til' 9/97) Just drove it from Northern Calif to Palm Springs, CA. Loaded to the gills, stuff piled on top, and towing another car, got 10.4 mpg. $850, could arrange delivery to LA area, Las Vegas, Phoenix area gary garymay-at-earthlink.net[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:47:49 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: John vs. Bill (you know Bill who)
>I personally like Microsoft products, and have confidence that they will
>only get better as time goes on.
geez, talk about a reversal.... John, I always thought you HATED
microsoft products, the way you're always pinging them. And ya know, it's
pretty bad to bad mouth an entire product line just because you can't
configure one product correctly... and now you say you LIKE them? hmm.....
rut roe... methinks I just opened a can of worms... hell, it's been WAY
too quiet on here lately anyway!
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[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:58:27 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: gas gauges
Well, John, as we've been saying for the last year and a half... they ALL
tend to do it. Matter of fact, regarding the newer ones... the LAST WAG,
the one in the museum in Reno, also has the very same problem! It was
mentioned in the famous mag article about it.
So THERE! phbt! <grin>
The gas gauges will do a little jitterbug all on their own, moving kind of
sort of at random anywhere from 1/4 to 3/4 tank, usually. It's a Jeep
thing. I believe we had one person on the list change his sending unit
out, thought he had it fixed, for about a week, then it returned. Another
replaced the instrument voltage regulator, same thing. Another replaced
the gauge, same thing. Or perhaps it was the same person for all? I don't
remember. They are also notorious for not being very accurate... Drippy
would be out of gas at 1/8 tank on the gauge. Timex has 11 gallons left on
board at 1/4 tank, and until about a year ago NEVER made it all the way to
F on the gauge. So don't sweat it, it's one of the MANY funky things about
these beasts. That and oil leaks, and power steering leaks, and
disappearing floorboards... <grin>. But they're worth it... every bit of
it! They'll occasionally drive you nuts with some silly little problem
that you can't find out why it's doing it, then it'll disappear.... etc,
etc, etc...
>>I own a 1979 jeep cherokee cheif. 360v8 2bbl automatic trans(turbo
>>hydro-matic 400) all time 4x4. With quadratrack. My mother owns a 83
>>wagoneer 258 straight 6. I have few questions if you don't mind. The
>>frist is have you ever had a prob with old blues gas gauge? Nether mine
>
>It's been a common problem. I've been very fortunate with Old Blue. I have
>noticed one very troublesome trait about Old Blue's gas gauge. It keeps
>moving to the left too fast... :)
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[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:07:15 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re: tops
>How many toolboxes do you have?
Three... one cross-bed, and one down each side. Remember, Timex was once
upon a time a work truck... now the tool boxes are full of fluids (some
actually in containers!), pieces, parts, tools, un-stuck-myself-and-others
items, and fishing gear. What can I say, I live in Florida! <grin>. Oh,
and the big cross-bed box also holds a computer or two,
and functions as a lockable trunk to hold groceries or whatever, when it
isn't full of computers or the like, that is...
>A cheaper alternative would be to make a Fiberglass top.
>Fiberglass lasts forever!
>Lay a piece of plywood over the bed and cover it with a BIG sheet of seran
wrap,
>then start applying the fiberglass layers to it. Then once it dries,
seperate
>it from the plywood, then attach some heavy duty hinges to it, add some
sort of
>a lock on the end, (hood locks), put a lift support on...now you have a cap.
>An alternative to fiberglass would be to use wood but wood is of higher
>maintenance, this might be a plus because it is cheaper.
A flat bed cover... been there... although I made mine out of plywood.
It probably would have lasted forever out west, but here it started growing
'shroooooooms on it. In addition to generally rotting. Ah, the joys of
living in a tropical paradise... <grin>. I have thought about doing it
again, but with p-treated wood, and with diamond plate, to match the
toolboxes, but it always was kind of a pain to remove the bed cover to haul
stuff. It turns out, that in the, oh, let's say three months since I
tossed the cover, that I have NEVER hauled anything... of course, if I
made another cover...........
>Max cost of the project would be around $50 or so.
>I could think up the procedures if your interested....
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[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:13:37 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: Mike's J-truck
Where are you? Would you care to make a contribution to the cause of the
'Killer? <grin>. I need a longbed frame... and could also use some
axles, but those I can probably find somewhere around here... although,
having the frame complete with axles would make it a bit easier to haul
down here to Florida... can you see it, Timex pulling a bare frame with
wheels? <grin>.
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[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 08:47:53 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: fan clutch/transmission reseal On Apr 11, 5:34pm, chrissy saltsgaver wrote: > Subject: fan clutch/transmission reseal > Jeff: dont be to rough on the previous owner, the shift shaft was pinned > with a nail from the factory (a common Hydromatic trick). > Yes, this was verified by a transmission technician at the shop where I got the seals and shaft. My OOOOPs! > Also, note that not all pan gaskets are created equal. I usually have to > buy a filter, throw the enclosed gasket away, and then buy a good gasket > separate. >-- End of excerpt from chrissy saltsgaver Couldn't get just the gasket at Pep Boys or Auto Zone, I checked, so I had to use the one with the filter. Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:30:05 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Fan Clutch/Transmission Re-seal On Apr 12, 11:47am, Eric Faust wrote: > Subject: Re: Fan Clutch/Transmission Re-seal > > Jeff, > I know it's past friday night, but.... I had a similar problem, a > serious leak at the shift linkage seal on my 727. A local transmission > shop replaced the seal for $40. > -- > Eric Faust > 1989 Jeep Grand Wagoneer > >-- End of excerpt from Eric Faust Well, after fumbling with it all weekend I wish I had just taken it in. I spent just about $30 on fluid, e-clips, filter, and the seal and shaft. Not to mention all the time and aggravation. Due to my own mistakes I had to drop the pan three times this weekend, and I replaced the fluid with new fluid each time for fear of contamination. I'll spare the list the gory details, but it was not a pretty sight watching me screw with it all weekend. Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:42:15 -0500
From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer)
Subject: Legacy of the FSJ
Some things you just can't put your finger on. The answer is '42'. The
question is, "Why aren't FSJ's more prevalent in the aftermarket and
indeed, sought after by offroaders?" CJ's of all types are hot items.
FSJs, which use many of the same components, (drivetrain, electrical
systems, engines, etc) are considered obselete by 'Jeep' and the
aftermarket. I can't figure it out. Dana 44's front and rear, V8 power,
lots of room, two-door and four-door models, great windows, heavy enough to
give a great ride, wonderful towing capacity, heavy sheet metal, a l-o-n-g
nearly identical production run, a truck frame, and woodgrain!
I've owned one of the hottest (meaning desired) 4x4's in the market today.
I used to drive a '78 Land Cruiser FJ40. It was a great 4x4. But it was
no better than my '89WAG offroad; at least for the kind of off-roading I
do. In many ways it was terribly inferior: no power, terribly leaky in
rain, apt to rust out (mine had virtually none), truly horrible above
45mph- truly horrible..., no AC, no PowerSteering, no space inside, no gas
mileage. Granted, it didn't leak fluids at 130K, and it was very reliable-
but so is my WAG (which leaks fluids at 60K). The LC has great axles too,
however not really any better than the Dana44, and at $1000+ for a
replacement, a lot worse than the Dana. And if you blew a Birfield joint
(the big steering knuckle as opposed to u-joints) you might as well
mortgage the house or sell one of your kids into slavery to pay for it!
The LC has a truly awsome transfer case, no argument there. But that Chevy
straight-six under the hood??? No thanks.
Besides that, you got people getting LCs and putting Chevy 350's in them.
The conversion costs several thousand to be done *properly*. What you end
up with is a really great rock crawler that still sucks on the highway, and
has no room, and has a Chevy engine. (Ford conversions are available but
cost even more.)
So what does the LC have that the FSJ doesn't. Well for starters it
doesn't have any woodgrain. I think Toyota might have spent a little more
time on styling than did Jeep. The LC just looks really good and has a
tremendous infrastructure of spare parts. However, when they stopped
selling the LC (FJ40 in '83 and FJ55 models in '80- the real classics) in
this country, they did so because of slumping sales. It was not until
later that they became the sought after items that they are today. We
might see the same thing happen with the FSJ. Indeed I think that it is
already beginning to happen.
Like the FSJ, the LC had very long production runs ('60-'83) and changed
very little over that time. During that time, like the FSJ, they didn't
sell many on a yearly basis. At the same time, they always had a good
reputation among people who knew what they were talling about. LCs even
have a borrowed engine. The 258Cid engine in the LC is a licensed version
of the venerable Chevy 250.
Rejoice for the day of the FSJ is at hand!
John Brewer
"Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither."
Benjamin Franklin
[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:51:58 EDT From: versicom-at-juno.com (BRIAN D COLUCCI) Subject: [No Subject] GREETINGS TO THE FSJ WORLD! JOHN GAVE ME THE NAME OF OLYMPIC 4X4 OUT IN WA AS A GREAT BONE YARD, BUT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE NO 89-91 GRAND WAGONEERS. I NEED A REAR WIPER MOTOR FROM ONE OF THE VEHICLES. PLEASE FORWARD NAMES AND NUMBERS OF OTHER GOOD FSJ BONE YARDS. ITEM #56002636 REAR WIPER MOTOR FITS 89-91 GRAND WAGONEERS UNTIL THE NEXT DIMENSION, ADMIRAL "COLUCH." END TRANSMISSION STARFLEET HEADQUARTERS OHIO POST ......................................................................[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:51:58 EDT From: versicom-at-juno.com (BRIAN D COLUCCI) Subject: [No Subject] GREETINGS TO THE FSJ WORLD! WELL IF WE ALREADY HAVE A "DOC" IS IT OK TO HAVE A STARFLEET ADMIRAL? HERE AT THE STARFLEET OHIO POST OUR TRAVELS ARE MADE MORE ENJOYABLE IN THE USS GRAND WAGONEER, NCC8232. IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED I CAN FORWARD THE HISTORY OF THE VESSEL, AS STORED IN FEDERATION MEMORY BANKS, IN A COMMUNICATION TO OUR CO. POST. UNTIL THE NEXT DIMENSION, ADMIRAL "COLUCH." END TRANSMISSION STARFLEET HEADQUARTERS OHIO POST ......................................................................[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:35:29 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Rear tire/jerrycan mounts Check out Savannah Jones, don't have their 1-800 number handy, but I'll post it as soon as I find it. Anyone else have it? They and JC are the only two I know of. The problem is that since the FSJ gate goes down, the hinges are on the bottom, not the side, so every can carrier/spare tire hanger I've seen involved some drilling into the vehicle. Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 08:30:28 -0700 From: Mike_Ahlmann-at-infinity.com Subject: Re: Axle vent tubes I just replaced this hose yesterday, so I know where mine is located. On my '87 GW, the rear axle vent fitting is on the driver's side of the rear axle next to the differential. There's a brake line connector mounted right next to it, so it's easy to overlook if you're not looking in the right place. Mike Ahlmann '87 Grand Wagoneer[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:39:13 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Cranky Wagoneer.... On Apr 14, 7:40am, Bob Sisson wrote: > Subject: Cranky Wagoneer.... > > 2 - After working a LONG time to get the vacume lines where they belong > on a STOCK 360, I still have a deep hesitation off idle, or full > throttle exceleration at any speed. Just had it tuned (sorry, haven't > learned that magic yet) and its better, but still there. If I double > pump the accel, it gets better. It as if carborator can't catch up > after the accel pump. Ideas?? > >-- End of excerpt from Bob Sisson Didn't see anything about a carb rebuild, have you checked the accelerator pump on the carb? It gives a little squirt of gas when you step on the pedal to prevent that type of hesitation. The seals may be shot and so you're getting little or no shot of gas upon flooring it. You may also be running a little lean, but I'd bet on the accelerator pump. Can't help ya on the other two questions, don't know much about trannys, check with the dealer on the exhaust valve. Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:00:01 -0700 From: Mike_Ahlmann-at-infinity.com Subject: Re: Should I listen to Consumer Reports? - NO As a confessed and practicing car nut, I learned many years ago where Consumer Reports fits in the automotive enthusiast's spectrum. They once had an issue that reviewed a Ford Falcon sedan and a Porsche roadster. "CR" editorialized that, since the Falcon got better gas mileage, had a bigger trunk, and cost less, they couldn't understand why anyone would pay the extra money for the Porsche. They would probably have trouble with a lot of my magazine subscriptions too, which don't include "CR". On those rare occasions when I want to know their evaluation results on some product, I go to the library. Mike Ahlmann '87 GW[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:05:56 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Changing from 2 BBL to 4 BBL You would need a different manifold, either a stock cast iron AMC manifold, or an aftermarket aluminum manifold. You need a 4-bbl carb, but you probably guessed that. You'll need a 4-bbl type throttle bracket, or you can rig your 2-bbl bracket to work (I did). Those are the biggies, you also need an intake gasket and probably some vacuum hose to plumb it all up afterwards. That's all I can think of, besides a good long day to do it in, maybe half a day if you're pretty handy with a wrench. Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:05:23 -0400 (EDT) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: Re: Rear tire/jerrycan mounts In a message dated 97-04-13 02:52:14 EDT, you write: > >Thats a whole lot better than I get...About 7mpg if Im lucky..... > >60 rear 44 front 4.56s and 36in Swampers > >79J10,360,400,d20 > >Billy > >79J10 > > > Heck my average is 4-6 mpg....of course thats plowing > snow, wich we didn't get much of this past winter...:-( > > C'ya > Joe- > 79 Chief 360, th-400, QT and 3.54 gears. > I get 15 highway and 10-12 in town, with a 360, holley 2 barrel, 727, np208, and 265 27 r15 tires....3.31 ring and pinions...[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:09:25 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Starfleet History Brian, I think I can speak for everyone in saying that we always like to hear the stories of FSJs and their owners! If not, e-mail me direct because I am interested. BTW, what part of Ohio you from? Jeff, born in Akron, currently residing in Houston jgunn-at-hou.varco.com[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:21:11 -0400 (EDT) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: REAR AXLE BEARINGS I have to replace the bearings in my rear axle ( model 20) its making horrible noises!!!, do I have to remove c clips on a amc20? or will the shafts just slide out like a dana 44 rear? I am assuming, Ill slide the shafts out and take them to the machine shop to let them remove and then press enw bearings on..any body got a ballpark figure for this service? also, Why did JEEP decide to use those stupid torx fasteners, the bottom 3 on my diff cover are stripped, I tried vise grips but I could not get them to budge, I guess ill file down some flat edges on the ROUND bolts and try again... Will a dana 44 form a pre 79 widetrac fit inplace of an amc model 20 with a np208? or is the side offset to great?, just wondering! cya guys! Matt 80 widetrac[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:29:26 -0400 From: Curtis Beebe <CBeebe-at-PBSNET.com> Subject: RE: another convict!!!! I'd love to do a day trip up to Ocala National Forest. I don't know of the good off road trails down here in Central Fla..... I'm originally from the panhandle and grew up driving all over Eglin Reservation and Blackwater Nat. Forest. Let's pick a weekend, I'll load the kids and dog up and go play in the woods. -----Original Message----- From: fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com [SMTP:fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis M. "Doc" Fariello Sent: Sunday, April 13, 1997 5:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of Subject: another convict!!!! er, make that Floridian... same difference... <grin>. Welcome to the list, Curtis, and if you're ever in the area of the Land of the Ubiquitous Damned Billion Dollar Rat up the road, why stop by and say HI! Now we've GOTTA take a road trip, Tom! >Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 10:23:36 -0400 >From: Curtis Beebe <CBeebe-at-PBSNET.com> >Subject: RE: Changing from 2 BBL to 4 BBL > >Hi Tom, > I'm in Tampa, too. Do you have a mechanic that can find his way >around your GW? I've got a few things that will need to be done to my >89 GW that either don't have the time or facilities to take on i.e.: >rear main seal, u-joints, and I too would like to explore a carb change. > >Curtis Hey, Tom and/or Curtis... how about a trip one of these weekends (maybe perhaps after your GW's back on the road, Tom) up to my favorite stomping grounds, the Ocala National Forest? Or maybe y'all know of some good places to get nice and dirty (the trucks, that is) out your way, or maybe around Lakeland, perhaps? | | | | | ============= | 0_| / \ |_o |_|_____----+-----____|_| |====|=====|=====|====| ||____|_____|_____|____|| \_____|___|DOC|___|_____/ |\/\/|--------\_/--|\/\/| ______|\/\/|_____________|\/\/|______ Home of the "Bottomless Transfer Case" _____________________________________ email: fariello-at-inspace.net http://www.inspace.net/~fariello/fsj _____________________________________ --------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message.[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:52:33 -0700 From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net> Subject: Desert Trip - Part I Hi guys, I know a few of you have tried to email me in the last few days and were probably wondering why you haven't heard back from me. Well...I just got back from a trip to the desert areas near Death Valley with a few friends of mine. Don't worry, I'll reply to the messages later tonight. First, I wanted to start telling you guys about the trip! After taking the day off on Wednesday to take care of some last minute preparations on the '81 Cherokee, like an oil change and tire rebalancing (Boy, does it run smooth now!) and some shopping, on Thursday morning I met up with my friends Scott (who rode shotgun with me) and Jim, Jim, and Doug (all riding in Doug's '89 FSCB - that's "Full-Size Chevy Blazer") and we hightailed it on out of Santa Barbara and headed east toward Death Valley. We worked our way downcoast through Ventura and then east into Valencia. From there we made our way through Mojave and then over to the Panamint Valley and the "beautiful" chemical processing town of Trona. Trona is situated on the banks of Searle "Lake" which is really a dry lake bed and there are at least 3 chemical processing plants extracting various chemicals from the lake bed remains and the output of local mining operations. We gassed up in Trona and then made our way to the ghost town of Ballarat. They had an interesting sign outside of Ballarat that talked about the last resident, a guy named "Seldom Seen Slim". The sign also mentioned that the 1904 New York to Paris auto race winner, a Thomas Flyer, had stopped in Ballarat during the race. This is were the pavement ended. We then headed south through the Panamint Valley towards the "road" heading east into Death Valley National Park called Goler Wash. Luckily, the road south of Ballarat was still being used by a mining operation and so the it had been recently oiled which cut down on the washboarding a lot! Just past the entrance to the active mine site, the road wasn't oiled and the "Washboard from Hell" began. We're talking 3-4 miles of the worst washboard I've ever seen. Since Doug was leading the way, Scott and I dropped back a little bit and tried to find a low speed that would make the washboard somewhat bearable. Wasn't gonna happen. Remembering the Baja "5 or 50 mph" rule I sped up to around 30-35 mph and started to float across the top of the ridges. Not a whole lot smoother, but a little more bearable. Made Scott and I feel like the little vibrating football game guys. Floating across the tops of the washboard also makes the steering a bit squirrely, too. After a little bit, we were coming up fast to the rear of Doug's Blazer and had to slow down. This was not fun. As we slowed down, we managed to go through a series of vibes that I thought was going to break loose every spot weld in the body! I guess this was a washboard road's version of "re-entry". The Jeep was to suffer the effects of this "vibration testing" for the remainder of the trip (more later). We finally made it to Goler Wash and stopped to have lunch at an abandoned mine site. Crawled around through some of the old operations and generally had a good time. It now was time to make our way through some of the tougher parts of the road and head toward our destination for the night, Butte Valley. Goler Wash winds it's way east through a narrow canyon. A few miles up we came upon the only really challenging portion of the road where Goler Wash lived up to it's name. Out came the video camera and Doug and I took our turns at negotiating a narrow wash section with some wet boulders. Doug went first in the Blazer and didn't have much problem, although there was a fair amount of tire spinning and rock kicking due to the wet rocks caused by the local spring draining down the middle of the road. I went next in the Cherokee and happened to take a slightly more difficult route (not on purpose, and Doug had kicked out a few of the loose rocks that would have made it easier). A review of the video reveals the Big Jeep getting air under the driver's side front tire in one spot and the rear end compressing over a big drop and coming within an inch of the bottoming on the bumper. I sure am glad I had the extra 3" of lift! One of the Jims was shouting "showoff" and commenting on the fact that I intentionally did it the hard way. I just replied that there is no hard way for an FSJ! Just after this section, we worked our way up the wash some more and came across another abandoned mining operation. This one didn't look that old and featured...get this...an abandoned Wide Track Cherokee Chief!! It looked to be about a '74 or '75 and had last been registered in '80. It was orange, had a 360 and Quadratrac and was pretty much complete except someone had taken the Chief emblems from the rear quarter panels and the radiator was gone. The body was relatively rust free and didn't seem to have any damage. I guess I know where I can find some Wide-Track fenders if I ever need them. As we were walking around checking it out, Scott found one of the tail light lenses on the ground and it was in perfect condition. The lense then "jumped" into the back seat of my Jeep and pleaded for asylum. We made our way further up the wash and passed one of Charlie Manson's old hideouts. We didn't stop to check that place out...too creepy. Eventually, we came upon a sign, out in the middle of nowhere, that stated "Welcome to Death Valley National Park". The road worked it's way through a pass called Mengel Pass which is named after Joseph Mengel, an old miner who was buried there in the 1940s. Mengel pass was the entry to our destination for the evening, Butte Valley, which is named after a 700 ft. butte made of rock layers tipped vertically that's called "Striped Butte".... To be continued..... Tom Anhalt '81 Cherokee Laredo[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:58:57 -0400 From: Curtis Beebe <CBeebe-at-PBSNET.com> Subject: Owners Manual Errors? I just got around to actually reading the Owner's Manual on my '89 GW. There were a few minor surprises. The book mentions a "flash to pass" on the stalk which doesn't work as well as showing a power window lock-out on the drivers power window switches (I'd love to have this to keep the kids from playing with the windows... right now I have do the old "knee squeeze" and evil eye). I also noticed that there is a brake-warning indicator in the dash that is apparently inoperative on my beast. I did a little checking there and found that the bulb is ok but is still not working. I'll go at it with the multi-tester.... Any ideas on the other two items, was this a misprint or are these features broken/missing? Curtis[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 97 12:06:27 CDT
From: hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com (Tony Hanson)
Subject: Re: Rear tire/jerrycan mounts
Savanna Jones 1-800-831-3716
It is worth the call just to hear the recorded
voice of the gal from "down under".....
From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com>
> Check out Savannah Jones, don't have their 1-800 number handy, but
I'll
> post it as soon as I find it. Anyone else have it? They and JC are
the
> only two I know of.
>
> The problem is that since the FSJ gate goes down, the hinges are on
the
> bottom, not the side, so every can carrier/spare tire hanger I've
seen
> involved some drilling into the vehicle.
Tony R. Hanson (hanstr-at-cimsy01.aud.alcatel.com)
1964 Wagoneer Copeville, Texas
[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:11:43 -0700
From: john meister <john-at->
Subject: Re: John vs. Bill (you know Bill who)
1) this was cc'd to me AND the FSJ-list??? for shame...
2) I'm looking forward to further improvements in Microsoft products,
of which I own several... and will continue to, for in spite
of several problems, they are still the best there is out there,
including UNIX stuff...
3) Just cause I ragged on something doesn't mean I HATE them. Usually
the less said about something the more the dislike... :)
4) Microsoft bashing is a great PNW tradition, it's a cultural thing,
not a personal thing. It's like complaining about sunshine, very
common in these parts... :)
5) Now to return to our normally scheduled FSJ-list material...
(psst, leave it quiet doc, I'm two digests behind the way it is... :)
At 09:47 AM 4/14/97 -0400, Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello wrote:
>>I personally like Microsoft products, and have confidence that they will
>>only get better as time goes on.
>
> geez, talk about a reversal.... John, I always thought you HATED
>microsoft products, the way you're always pinging them. And ya know, it's
>pretty bad to bad mouth an entire product line just because you can't
>configure one product correctly... and now you say you LIKE them? hmm.....
>
> rut roe... methinks I just opened a can of worms... hell, it's been WAY
>too quiet on here lately anyway!
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[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:18:30 -0700
From: john meister <john-at->
Subject: eudora problems
apologies are in order again...
I should probably do my email in elm on UNIX.
I just noticed in reading one of the digests that ANOTHER non-FSJ
type message showed up there again. Now either someone I cc'd
forwarded to the list cause they thought it was good, I didn't
unselect FSJ before I selected others, or there is a problem with
my eudora settings... anyway, I should have looked at the addresses
more carefully and deleted FSJ...
as the old-timers on the list can attest, this is not my first "oops"
with a pc based product (notice it's also NOT a Microsoft product... :)
Anybody know where I can get a copy of Pegasus? :)
y'all can find non-FSJ humor on my personal web page...
ttyl,
john
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[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 14 Apr 97 11:42:00 PDT From: "Jandrt, Rick" <rjandrt-at-msgate.litc.lockheed.com> Subject: Factory AMC 360/401 4 bbl Manifold W/EGR I have a the above mentioned manifold sitting around. Can someone tell me what it might be worth if I decide to sell it? Rick(chocolate moose) rjandrt-at-msgate.litc.lockheed.com[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:22:02 -0700 From: "Renshaw, Ken" <krenshaw-at-resumix.com> Subject: RE: DNS anybody... >---------- >From: Dennis M. "Doc" Fariello[SMTP:fariello-at-inspace.net] >Sent: Sunday, April 13, 1997 5:59 PM >To: Multiple recipients of >Subject: anybody... > >. I've got no problem accessing >anything across the network, it'll even start the dialing stack on the >server, but it can't seem to find the DNS. Anybody? Can you ping the DNS server by IP address? Also, is the DNS server on a different subnet? If so, you might need to enter a default gateway into the TCP/IP config. Check the DHCP vs. Static IP setups, too. Oops, sorry to stray......back to FSJ stuff!! I've finished installing my second ARB and the 4.88's ( kindly provided by Superken...) into my front axle, and now I've got 4 wheel drive, 4.88's, and my air locker's working? WOOHOO!!!!!! I've been doing some induction work in anticipation of the Some Guy ( They don't like ProJection systems, go figure.. ;-) When I'm finished I'll post the gory details of my decision. Also, I've finished SawZall-ing the rear fenders out to fit the 36x12.50x15 TSX Swampers, and to keep from chewing them up I've installed 4" Energy Suspension bumpstops for the rear axle. I know, I know, I've lost some compression travel in the rear but it's just until I get another couple inches of lift. My front axle cycles beautifully, though. Just a little tweak to the steering stops to keep the TSX's off of the springs. Have a good one, all, and I'll see ya back on the trails real soon! -Ken Kenneth L. Renshaw Resumix, Inc. Sr. UNIX System Administrator Configuration Management Engineer System Engineer (408)744-3945 Home (408)984-2131 Work (800) 970-5298 Pager krenshaw-at-resumix.com 1979 Wagoneer 'Babe' 360/ProJection/QT 36" SX's, 4.88's Dana 44's, ARB's >[Back to Top]
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