FSJ-List-Digest-262

Friday, April 18, 1997 12:33:14 PM

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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:40:11 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: summit, phone numbers, NON-FSJ!!

Hey, john, what's up with the decimals or dots between the area code,
prefix, and local number? That seems to be a west coast thing since I've
only seen it elsewhere in correspondence with our LA office.

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: john meister <john-at->
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: summit
> Date: Thursday, April 17, 1997 5:12 PM
> 
> summit's advertised number is:  330.630.0200
> 
> but when my high perf cat showed up it had a sticker
> with this number:  1.800.230.3030  and when I ordered
> my Dynaflow, it worked... :)
> 
> later,
> john


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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:02:54 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: 2.72 RP's (Re: Trac-lok or "Locker")

Ken, is the 3.73 r&p and power-lok combo still available?

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com



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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:11:01 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Air Intake Hose

Yeah, those are available at your local auto parts store. I retrofitted Ole
Bessy with one from a '79. It gets really hot in my engine compartment so I
wanted to let cool air into the engine. 

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Re: Air Intake Hose
> Date: Friday, April 18, 1997 12:04 AM
> 
> At 11:07 PM 4/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >I bought one from my Jeep dealer a few months ago. Still in stock. As I
> >recall, it was all of about seven bucks.
> >
> OK...all this talk of air intake hoses etc, I gotta  ask,
> is this something we with the older beasts be adding to ours?
> Benefits?  I'm betting they attach to one of those oval holes
> in front wall by the radiator?
> 
> C'ya
> Joe-
> 
> 79 Chief


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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:23:03 EDT
From: versicom-at-juno.com (BRIAN D COLUCCI)
Subject: [No Subject]

GREETINGS TO THE FSJ WORLD!

THE VAX IS BACK ON ICE AND LIFE IS GOOD AGAIN.  NOT MUCH TIME TODAY SO
HERE ARE A FEW QUICKIES.

1) HEY MIKE AHLMANN ABOUT YOUR STICKY PROBLEM, I HAVE THE PERFECT STUFF;
AND THE BEST PART IS THAT YOU CAN GET IT RIGHT FROM THAT SAME FRIENDLY
JEEP PARTS COUNTER THAT GOT YOU THE PAD IN THE FIRST PLACE.  CHRYSLER
MAKES AN ADHESIVE THAT COMES IN A TUBE.  IT IS A BLACK ADHESIVE THAT IS
USED TO FORM A GASKET ON FRONT DRIVE TRANY CASES FOR THE CHRYSLER CARS. 
THE NICE PART ABOUT THE STUFF IS THAT IT IS HEAT, AND OIL RESISTANT, AND
STICKS LIKE YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE.  IF YOU NEED A PART NUMBER LET ME KNOW.
 IT HAS BEEN HOLDING THE PAD ON MY HOOD FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

2)  HOW ABOUT THAT R-12 FROM SOUTH OF THE BORDER?  BAD IDEA!  THAT STUFF
IS NOT PURE.  THEY PUT A LOT OF CAUSTIC EXTENDERS INTO IT.  IT WILL EAT
THE RUBBER RIGHT OUT OF YOUR O RINGS AND HOSES.  SO FOR A QUICK FREEZE
FIX IS IT REALLY WORTH TRASHING THE ENTIRE SYSTEM?  I HAVE ALSO HEARD
TELL OF THAT MEXICAN FLUID CAUSING SOME A/C SYSTEMS TO EXPLODE.  BIG
PROBLEM.

3) SO SONNY B. HAD OR HAS AN FSJ.  THE USS GRAND WAGONEER HAS PLAYED HOST
IN ITS PAST TO THE LIKES OF MACK DAVIS.  HE REALLY LIKED IT A LOT AND
WANTED TO BUY IT FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNER; BUT DID NOT WANT TO DEAL WITH
HAVING TO TRANSPORT IT ACROSS COUNTRY TO HIS HOME.

4) I AM SEEING A LOT OF UNLOVED FSJ'S HERE IN DAYTON, OH.  IT IS OBVIOUS
THAT THEY ARE JUST A FORM OF TRANSPORTATION AND NOT APPRECIATED FOR THE
QUALITY THAT IS BURIED BENEATH THE SURFACE.  PLUS I DO NOT SEE ANY HITS
ON THE BOARD HERE FROM ANY OF THEIR OWNERS. TO BAD.

5) A FORMER OHIOAN ASKED FOR A BIO ON THE USS GRAND WAGONEER.  HERE IT
IS.

1989 GRAND WAGONEER
BLACK, WOODY SIDES, CRANBERRY LEATHER  INNARDS
OWNERS:  BRIAN & SUSAN 
	& MOLLY, THE GOLDEN RETRIEVER
DAYTON, OHIO

6)  BY THE WAY FOR THOSE WIVES THAT HATE THEIR HUSBAND'S FSJ'S.  THE USS
GRAND WAGONEER IS SUSAN'S.  SHE WANTED IT; BECAUSE HER DAD HAD ONE FOR
YEARS.  SUSAN LIKES TO SIT HIGH ABOVE THE REST OF TRAFFIC AND GET THAT
BIG PICTURE.  THE SEATS ALLOW YOU TO BE COMFORTABLE EVEN WHEN DRIVING IN
A SKIRT AND HOSE.  COMFORT CUTS DOWN ON THE NEED TO SQUIRM AROUND
ATTEMPTING TO GET COMFORTABLE WHILE DRIVING.  IT'S A WOMAN THING I AM
TOLD.  



UNTIL THE NEXT DIMENSION,
ADMIRAL "COLUCH."
END TRANSMISSION STARFLEET HEADQUARTERS
OHIO POST
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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 08:12:01 -0700
From: Mike_Ahlmann-at-infinity.com
Subject: Re: Air Intake Hose





Yup, that's where it goes - from the air cleaner up to the sheet metal the
fan shroud sits on forward near the grill.   There's a lip around one of
the holes that the hose slops pver and clamps onto.  It provides a source
of cool, dense air after the thermally-actuated valve in the air-cleaner
throat opens up.  This gives the carb warm air when it's cold and cold air
when it's warm.

          -Mike A.




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04/17/97 10:04 PM


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At 11:07 PM 4/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I bought one from my Jeep dealer a few months ago. Still in stock. As I
>recall, it was all of about seven bucks.
>
OK...all this talk of air intake hoses etc, I gotta  ask,
is this something we with the older beasts be adding to ours?
Benefits?  I'm betting they attach to one of those oval holes
in front wall by the radiator?

C'ya
Joe-

79 Chief




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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 08:27:15 -0700
From: Mike_Ahlmann-at-infinity.com
Subject: Jeeps vs. Modern Technology





     As I was driving to work this morning I saw something that I thought
was an interesing application of Silicon Valley technology.  A new Ford
Expedition pulled up next to my GW at a stop light and was looking with
unabashed envy (I think that's what it was) at my Jeep.  We were both in
adjacent left turn lanes and I could see that there was an array of LED's
behind the silvered surface of the large side mirror that formed a bright
red blinking arrow which clearly proclaimed the driver's intention to turn
left.  It was very visible to cars next to, or behind, her vehicle.  My
immediate reactions were:
1.  Wow, that's pretty cool!
2.  I wonder what it costs to replace that puppy when they break it off on
a .......(fill in your favorite obstruction)!

     Jeep related question:  Do Jeepers spend more time worrying about the
cost of replacing broken parts than other drivers?
     Have a good Friday everyone.  The weekend is in our sights!

Mike Ahlmann
'87 GW



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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 08:38:57 -0700
From: Mike_Ahlmann-at-infinity.com
Subject: Re: Air Intake Hose





Maybe this is a regional bacterial or fungal thing or maybe all hoses
aren't created equal.  Out here in California, where people and Jeeps last
forever (right?), I replaced my original hose at 8 years and the
replacement still is in good shape after ~3 years of use.

Mike Ahlmann




brewer -at- thaad.tecmas.com
04/18/97 06:37 AM


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>Anyone know of a supplier for an Air Intake Hose for a 90 GW?  Mine has
>been ripped to shreds.  Wonder how the prev owner did that.  This is the
>hose that connects the air cleaner to the front of the grill.
>
Carlo,

The air intake hose for your GW, like my '89GW is, made of a special
material that is designed to self destruct after being exposed to air for
more than 15 minutes.  Either that, or all previous GW owners had maniacal
fits which turned them to hideous beasts with but one purpose- shredding
the air intake hose on the first full moon.  I have never seen one intact.
You'd be better off rigging up something to work as it's just going to
decompose again- fast.

JB


"Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither."
   Benjamin Franklin





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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:35:41 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: midwest fsj's

Brian said;
snip-


>4) I AM SEEING A LOT OF UNLOVED FSJ'S HERE IN DAYTON, OH.  IT IS OBVIOUS
>THAT THEY ARE JUST A FORM OF TRANSPORTATION AND NOT APPRECIATED FOR THE
>QUALITY THAT IS BURIED BENEATH THE SURFACE.  PLUS I DO NOT SEE ANY HITS
>ON THE BOARD HERE FROM ANY OF THEIR OWNERS. TO BAD.
>
>5) A FORMER OHIOAN ASKED FOR A BIO ON THE USS GRAND WAGONEER.  HERE IT
>IS.
>
>1989 GRAND WAGONEER
>BLACK, WOODY SIDES, CRANBERRY LEATHER  INNARDS
>OWNERS:  BRIAN & SUSAN 
>	& MOLLY, THE GOLDEN RETRIEVER
>DAYTON, OHIO

Ohio eh?  Thats great!  Another midwestern'er on the list,
We now have OH, IN, IL, MN, represented. Say Doc, we may have a
midwest chapter yet! 

C'ya
Joe-
79 Chief



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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 08:50:05 -0700
From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Washboard from Hell

Remember when I was telling you guys about my Cherokee feeling the
effects of the washboard from hell?   I think I said something about the
vibrations being so bad I thought some of the body spot welds would
break loose?  Well...I finally tracked down a couple of squeaks I've
been hearing ever since that "road" and thought were in the suspension
somewhere.  They weren't coming from the suspension...and no, they
weren't broken spot welds...but they were close.  Have you ever seen the
tab under the vent window where the door skin attaches to the inner part
of the door?  Well, that tab is completely cracked through where it
comes off of the door skin.  The squeaking was the two metal edges
rubbing against each other.  The other squeak is coming from a section
of front fender panel right next to the driver's side turn signal where
a crack has propagated along a section where the body panel makes a
right angle.  Yikes...that really WAS a rough road.  To stop the
squeaking for now I just squirted some bike chain lube onto the cracks. 
What would be the best way to repair these cracks in the thin
sheetmetal?  Brazing? or Welding? or Whatever?

Tom Anhalt
'81 Cherokee Laredo

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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:28:41 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re: Air intake hose


	Pep Boys and other parts stores usually have 'em in stock, I believe.

>Date:  Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:20:50 -0500
>From: "Carlo J. Calica" <calica-at-adj.com>
>Subject: Air Intake Hose
>
>Anyone know of a supplier for an Air Intake Hose for a 90 GW?  Mine has
>been ripped to shreds.  Wonder how the prev owner did that.  This is the
>hose that connects the air cleaner to the front of the grill.


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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:59:19 +0200
From: "Frank" <falmaas-at-online.no>
Subject: SV: Intoduction etc.

>      
>      I am the proud owner of a 1979 Cherokee Chief with a 360 V8, TH400 
>      trans(rebuilt before purchase), and a QT case with milemarker part 
>      time conversion.  I have had the vehicle for about six months now
and 
>      have been working on it about 80% of the time and driving it about 
>      20%.  (I hope the ratio improves :') 

Isn't a 80/20 ratio about average for a FSJ -))

>       I was beginning to think I have a hobby instead of a truck...  I 
>      guess it's both!

As time goes you will see it's developing more and more into a
lifestyle:-))
>      
 It's great to know that I'm not alone 
>      in my illogical love of such a cool vehicle!

Indeed you're not !!

Frank
Norway
>      
>      If any of you are in the denver colorado area, permenantly or just 
>      visiting, let me know!  I try, but don't succeed in getting out
every 
>      weekend for "wilderness activities" in the rockies.
>      
>      BTW: I'm 26 work for an industrial software company in Boulder as an

>      implementation specialist, and like to browse the local salvage yard

>      for parts during my lunch hour... ;')
> 
> 
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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:45:42 +0200
From: "Frank" <falmaas-at-online.no>
Subject: Norwegian Wagoneer update


Well, the winter is almost gone here in my parts of Norway (it's snowing
outside right now, but) and I'll post a update on the work progress on my
Wag.
It was parked in the garage in november wounded like an old warrior after
the ' 96 season with pulling, mud racing, trial competitions, rock crawling
and general mind-less fun-runs through whatever terrain I would find. The
ride home after the last mud-run was 200 km done in darkness at night
without charging and headlights with my friends Land Rover very close
upfront so I could use his headlights. Not very fun!

After a while in the garage without even wanting to look at it's direction
I finaly did take a look to determine what had to be done.
	Water Pump 	- broken bearing
	Servo pump  	- leaking badly
	Alternator	- no charging
	Air system	- ripped hose and other leaking points
	Transfer		- broken shift fork	
	Ignition		- barely working
	Drive shafts	- Rear one ripped to pieces and the front one twisted
	Rear door	- Had a very unkindly meeting with a tree
	Rear bumper	- Ripped off the frame after I used it as a can opener on 			 
my friends Toyota pickup when he did not make it 			  through the mud pit
and I came next to him ( I really 			  though I could avoid him but I made
it through even with 			  half his pickup bed hanging on my rear bumper)
	Tires		- Only two good left
So now I'm near a end to the winters efforts in the garage. I've just
finished building  new tube bumpers front and rear using 3" tubing. The
rear one also have a spare tire swing away carrier. pictures of the bumpers
will be on my homepage as soon as I can. I also buildt side bars at the
same time. Replaced the water pump and rebuildt the servo. Rebuildt the
hole air setup with new hoses inside the frame to add more protection. Made
a new drive shaft for the front and new yokes on the rear. I opted not to
use bigger u-joints or larger tubing for the drive shafts because I feel
that a briken u-joint or drive shaft is a inexpencive failure so it's a OK
place to have the weakest link. The alterative would be a broken axle or a
broken transfer, much more expencive and difficult to fix on the trail.
Rear door eeh.. painted?? I bought myself new 35 x 12,5 x 15" BFG Mud
Terrains and I'm waiting for a Jacobs Ultra Team to replace my ignition.
So here is were I stand today. Just got the transfer case shift fork from
Brad (thank you again) but havn't had the time to modifie it yet. and I
still havn't figured out the charging problem. The alternator checks out
fine in the test bench but when I instal it in the Wag it will charge for
about one second and then stop. 
So I had high hopes to get it running for the first competition weekend
24-25-26 of april, but now I have to take some time off it to replace the
engine in our daily drive the french Citroen, not a very fun job, but I
hate to get up at 6 every morning to take the bus to work :-))

Well everybody, this turned out to be a long post about my life in the
garage but anyway. 

Greeting and happy wheeling

Frank
Norway

BTW Ken I'm very sorry for not being able to vote for your Super in TTC,
but the mag takes soooo long to get to me so please somebody vote for me
and Good Luck Ken !!!!!


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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:02:20 +0200
From: "Frank" <falmaas-at-online.no>
Subject: SV: Intoduction etc. (fender flares)



> 
> That's because fender flares RULE!!!!!!
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
Fenders and flares will get you nowhere in the dirt :-))

Frank
Norway
> 
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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:04:19 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: What Carb to use?

OK guys, I ned some help.
 I have the wagoneer back with the newly rebuilt engine, I've installed
the Header and 3" exhaust system, but I have decided to replace the
intake and carb.  After reading all or your comments on how bad the
factory card ( Ford) and how much you loved your Edelbrock I want to try
it. The question is WHICH edelbrock are you running, how does it work
with the EGR performer manifold? Eledbrock does NOT list a carb for the
AMC engines on their 'performer series system'. One guy from the Tech
line of one of the vendors advertising in Four-Wheeler said he had no
idea what would work on an AMC with EGR.(No surprise there). 
 So what do you (y'all) suggest?

 Tech Info: 1982 Wagoneer, 360 (now366) stock intake and carb(2-barrel)
Edelbrock T.E.S. headers w/emission hook-up, auto 3.23 axels, manual
hubs, part 4WD, 

Jeff Herbst
1982 Wagoneer Limited (weren't they all limited?)
Texas

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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 08:58:05 -0700
From: Steve_Rosewarne-at-wink.com
Subject: Re: FSJ-List-Digest - Number 261








FROM---->FSJ-List-Digest       Friday, April 18, 1997      Issue 261

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Date:  Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:35:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Knapp <knappe-at-mcnet.marietta.edu>
Subject: RE: Adhesive


How much did the insulation cost approximately?  I am in dire need of some.

>>>hood insulation is still available through chrysler, comes in 3 pieces.
>>>fit fine on my 83 cherokee
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------------------------------
Short essay; "How to Make Her Realize the Zen Involved in Owning a
Full-Sized Jeep"


Initially, my girlfriend of 7 years was VERY anti-Jeep.  She thought I
should buy a "nice" car. I explained to her that I was VERY tired of
driving our '93 Corolla to Lake Tahoe and spending valuable snowboarding
time with a snow shovel in my hands digging a path for the car that it
would likely get stuck in anyway.  Then she felt if I HAD to have a truck
and I could afford a new pathfinder/forerunner/etc, that I should buy one
of those instead. I explained to her how I have wanted a GW as long as I
can remember and of course went ahead and bought one despite her
protestations.  The first few months were tense because of the immediate
maintenance required following the purchase. She perceived her opinion that
this was a piece of junk to be correct and made certain that I heard about
it every time I took it to the shop (I know very little about engine repair
and had to drop $$$$ for a mechanic to do the work).

I bought it in August and this went on until Winter came, ahhh Winter.  I
took her up to Tahoe and in a single weekend my truck more than redeemed
itself.  We had a blast driving around in deep snow.  She is 5'11",
Italian, has a major attitude and definitely enjoyed "moving the snow
around."  It got especially good when a housemate's Pathfinder got stuck
and I had to yank it out (see FSJ website for story).  The high point of
the entire experience was when she somewhat timidly asked if she could
drive it in the snow.  My first instinct was to say "No way, not after all
your disparaging comments" but being a diplomatic person and favoring
harmony at home I let her and she loved it.  She would never openly praise
the vehicle, that would be admitting she was wrong, but the verbal assaults
have ceased. In fact, on several occasions when I make a long highway trip,
she has suggested we swap vehicles because the Corolla gets better mileage.
Previously she refused to even consider driving my truck. I realize that
this is a long way from "loving" the truck as I do, but it is probably as
close as she is going to get, at least until next winter.

My suggestion then is this, get yourself in a situation where your FSJ will
be appreciated and let her drive it.  It worked for me.


> Subject: Help save the life of an FSJ
>
> Anyway, I could use some help lobbying her.  If your significant other
> supports you in your efforts to keep one of these classic driving
> machines on (and off) the road, have her drop a line to my wife Lauren
> at hortonnh-at-xtdl.com.
>
>-- End of excerpt from Phil_Horton-at-avid.com


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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 97 11:54:25 EDT
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: 400 VS 455

How does the Poncho 400 fare agin the Buick 455?  Well, you are not exactly 
asking the most objective person, as I'm sure you realize, so let me say this:
My opinion based on years of cruising the longest lighted cruising strip on 
the east coast (featured in Hot Rod [ugh!] from time to time) is that the 
early Ponchos really ran (421, 389, 400) and that the big block 455 Poncho 
isn't exactly slow or a dog or whatever, but it just doesn't have the 
potential of the 455 Buick.  Sure there are great Judges out there that really
run with Ram Air IV heads and stuff, but by and large the Buick is a better 
runner.  An intersting race would be the 425 Buick "nail head"/421 Super Duty 
Pontiac one in a 65 GTO the other in a 65 GS!  The Pontiac 400 is a good  
motor, but I think a more important aspect is the torque characteristics of 
each respective mill.  I don't know what the 400 curves are like, but I'm 
quite sure that the 455 Buick has better low end (at least!) AND is truer to 
the heritage of our Jeeps than Pontiac.  If I were building a boulevard 
cruiser out of an early GTO and I had the choice of a 400 or 455 Pontiac I 
would go with the 400.  Better manners for the same power for that 
application.  The opposite would be true for drag racing.  However 400 Poncho 
vs 455 Buick??  REALLY NOW!  BTW I found '67 430 heads for my 455!!  
CARTWHEELS! EXHALTATIONS!! GENERAL TOMFOOLERY!! 10:1 compression!  Bigger 
ports! AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

Brad Feick


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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:13:13 -0600 (MDT)
From: Brian Riggs <Brian.Riggs-at-genetics.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: SV: Intoduction etc. (fender flares)

But they sure do look COOL!!!!!  =8)

Brian


On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Frank wrote:

>
>
> >
> > That's because fender flares RULE!!!!!!
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> Fenders and flares will get you nowhere in the dirt :-))
>
> Frank
> Norway
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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:28:41 -0700
From: Mike_Ahlmann-at-infinity.com
Subject: Re: What Carb to use?





     Edelbrock makes a Model 4100 Performer carb with EGR that is made for
their Performer intake manifold with EGR.  This combo works together
perfectly and has connections and fittings for all the stock (late model)
Jeep emissions control stuff to connect with: vacuum, H20, EGR, PCV, and
Air Injection.
     The foregoing was all true as of 2.3 years ago anyway!

Mike Ahlmann
'87 GW



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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:20:50 EST
From: snordby-at-topcat.bridgew.edu
Subject: My thoughts on the model 20 axle bearings

I have the wonderfull amc rearend.  Yes many bearings have failed.  Take the 
backingplate bolts out and slide the axleshaft out.  Next cut the bearing off.
Press a new one on and slide the shaft back in.  Then tighten up the bolts.
If you want to have trouble free bearings drill out the axle tube at the bearingand tap the hole to accept a zerk (grease) fitting.  I did this to mine and 
the bearings have not failed since.  
Steve Nordby
1982 WAgoneer
Plymouth Ma

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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:36:57 -0700
From: "Landen Schooler (the Scotsman)" <skoullar-at-ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Legacy of the FSJ......correction

Hey, for 1947 is was *sporty*. And I have an ad that shows 6 very happy
hunters in one.
Landen Schooler
FSW the First SUV!





68 Wagoneer wrote:
> 
> Oh, gosh. Not this again! They've been debating the first SUV deal on
> rec.autos 4x4 for months!
> 
> I love the early Willys wagons, just ask Mark. I talk about them, a lot.
> They're very utilitarian. But I wouldn't label them very sporty (as in
> Sport Utility Vehicle).
> 
> =======================================
> Henry Padilla
> '68 Jeep Wagoneer
> Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
> jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com
> 
> ----------
> > From: Landen Schooler (the Scotsman) <skoullar-at-ix.netcom.com>
> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> > Subject: Re: Legacy of the FSJ......correction
> > Date: Tuesday, April 15, 1997 1:46 PM
> >
> > Pat Jorden wrote:
> > >
> > > I think the public if rather fickle in what is
> > > desirable.
> > >
> > > Another hot seller like the Land Cruiser is the
> > > somewhat older chevy pickups.  They are showing
> > > up more in the truck magazines, and they have
> > > quite a large base of available parts.
> > >
> > > Kind of a self perpetuating thing...  A vehicle
> > > gets popular and then more parts are made for it
> > > so it gets more easily restored and then there's
> > > more on the road and they become more popular,
> > > and so-on...
> > >
> > > I like FSJs because I fell in love with the
> > > Cherokee Chief when I was in High School at a
> > > new car show...good reason :)
> > >
> > > But they do have lots of good attributes:
> > >
> >
> >
> > Note: the 1947 Willys 4x4 Wagon is the first SUV.
> 
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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:51:41 -0700
From: "Landen Schooler (the Scotsman)" <skoullar-at-ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: My thoughts on the model 20 axle bearings

Gee, this nothing new. All three of my FSW came with Spicer/Dana 44s
have greasable rear axle bearings from the Factory.  :-D
Landen Schooler
FSW The First SUV!



snordby-at-topcat.bridgew.edu wrote:
> 
> I have the wonderfull amc rearend.  Yes many bearings have failed.  Take the
> backingplate bolts out and slide the axleshaft out.  Next cut the bearing off.
> Press a new one on and slide the shaft back in.  Then tighten up the bolts.
> If you want to have trouble free bearings drill out the axle tube at the bearingand tap the hole to accept a zerk (grease) fitting.  I did this to mine and
> the bearings have not failed since.
> Steve Nordby
> 1982 WAgoneer
> Plymouth Ma
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:09:47 -0500
From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com>
Subject: Re: Rear Tire carrier/Canvas cover

On Apr 18,  9:03am, 68 Wagoneer wrote:
> Subject: Re: Rear Tire carrier/Canvas cover
>
> sheetmetal. Maybe one of you engineer types can design a rack that'll 
hold
> more weight and will fit a 31 or 33 inch spare, gas can, tools, etc 
and
> rides fairly high behind the tailgate and only connects to the 
receiver or
> maybe the bumper mounts!?
>
>-- End of excerpt from 68 Wagoneer

Only problem with using the bumper mounts is getting the tailgate 
open....unless you had some kind of hinge or quick release setup to 
allow it to move.....

hmmm......

I'll have to think about this one....

Jeff
Too busy to design bumpers (still) and wanting to design tire mount...


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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:09:21 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: 10.1 compression?

vs 455 Buick??  REALLY NOW!  BTW I found '67 430 heads for my 455!!  
>CARTWHEELS! EXHALTATIONS!! GENERAL TOMFOOLERY!! 10:1 compression!  Bigger 
>ports! AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
>
>Brad Feick
>
Hi Brad,
THIS IS NOT FSJ RELATED....

I hope with that 10.1 compression ratio you don't run into the same problem
I have had for years.  My Vette is 11.1....11.1 REQUIRES 100 octane fuel
<remember the old 260 Sunoco?>  So to keep the engine from pinging or
predetonating I must doctor the fuel.  This can be done several ways, I've
tried them all, they are;

1. Buy 115 octane racing fuel at racetracks $3+ per gallon
   (not for street use, you'll have to lie)
2. Use an MSD water/alcohol injection system, to cool the heads at
   detonation.  
3. Retard your timing to an unbelievable setting (ugh) away goes your
   h.p.
4. Buy Real Lead and 104+ octane booster....expensive and falls short of the
   goal.
5. Buy the original Methl-ethyl ???? that was used to make 100 octane ethyl
   gasoline. This product was discontinued but still available.  I just
   bought 6 gallons for $150, it will do 65 tankfulls in the Vette.

High compression is/was cool, but in today's world it's way too much of a
pain in the a**.  Remember my engine is a 1969 and does NOT have hardened
valve seats, I *must* have lead in my fuel. You might want to consider
dropping the CR to 9.1  The above is from experience. Been there, doing that.

Sorry for off topic post.
C'ya
Joe-

79 Chief
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsego




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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:27:13 -0500
From: jorden-at-mopac.amd.com (Pat Jorden)
Subject: one more vote for ken wetherall...

hi ken,

got my issue of four wheeler today.

sad to see your's is the only FSJ,
except for maybe the '69 M715 on 
page 63...

will vote for that one and yours
on page 44...


as an interesting note: on the way
to dropping off my son to his school,
i noticed a FSJ wagoneer parked behind
some apartments.  It wasn't very easy
to see, and it had the hood up and
also a tarp over the tailgate window.

I thought; yep, bonafide FSJ...
guess i was feeling a little depressed
about all of the work needing to be
done on mine.

Anyway, yesterday my wife tells me 
"did you see that jeep over near our
son's school?  its got the same tarp 
on it as yours!!"

I was happy that she spotted it amongst
all of the visual noise in the area,
but it's kinda a sad testimony to the
genus...


i have decided to continue driving my
jeep this summer, get my truck fixed
up (toyota), and then tear heavily into
my jeep this winter (plans, plans)
rebuilding the motor hopefully....

we'll see...

pat
74 cherokee (not a chief, just an indian)
3602V, standard batch of options...



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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:59:56 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: Mailing list

sounds cool.  my first FSJ was a 67  with the stock 327, 3 on a tree, 
etc.   Dana 60's, wow.  Serious setup...  Gotta see the pictures of 
that one...

The instructions are on the main ORC fsj page, as well as my personal 
page.  If you have trouble let me know, I can email the text.

Only a few rules:

1) no flames,
2) no foul language,
3) keep it family oriented
and 
4) mostly FSJ (we wander sometimes...  if you don't like it, don't 
whine, just delete the ones you don't want to read... :)

The list has been going in one form or another for what seems like 
for ever...  It all started with this guy in Fargo, ND and me on 
rec.autos.4x4, then we met "super" Ken, and Michael, and we all had a 
few more jump in, doc was about the next to last one in and we 
started a listserver on Zynet, which went tango uniform a few months 
later and the list, which had grown to around 40 or 50 of us, ended 
up being routed from my "cc" list...  then Sam came along and has 
been hosting us on tehabi.com.  We're looking at migrating the list 
to a new server we're getting at Off-Road.com, hey, it's going in 
tomorrow, cool...  anyway, that's the plan.

Send a picture via email (jpg prefered) or snail mail a photo and 
email a more eloborate description and I'll build ya  a page...
(snail mail to:  john meister, 14809 State Route 9 SE, Snohomish, WA 
98296, include SASE for safe return of your pix.  Otherwise they'll 
end up in that big pile of photos next to the scanner, or in the milk 
carton over there of all my pictures, or up in the second drawer of 
my file cabinet....  One of these days I have to figure out how to 
scan in slides, have about 5,000 shots from europe... :)

Oh, btw, Joe Sego has more FSJ stickers left, they are cool, 
dishwasher tolerant even, and have survived 2 round trips to LA on my 
luggage even... :)   Just ask the question of Joe when ya get on the 
list and he'll be happy to provide details.

ttyl,
john


> I have a 1965 Kaiser Wagon and i'd like to be on your mailing list. I
> think you'd all get a kick out of it.  It has dana 60's front and rear
> with 4.10's, a ford 390, NP 435 trans, NP 205 transfer,  20,000 lb pto
> winch, full internal rollcage, custom dash, etc.  It routes like a
> cadillac.  Thanks for you time.
> 
> 
> James Fitzgerald
> jfitzger-at-vt.edu
> 
> 
**********************************************************
   john-at-  http://www.
  Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
        Jeep Wagoneer Limited - 81 SJ & 88 xj
**********************************************************
    no Jesus = no peace  ^  know Jesus =  know peace
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:03:11 -0500
From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com>
Subject: Re: Norwegian Wagoneer update

Frank,
	On that alternator problem, I had a similar deal in my Javelin a 
few years back.  Check the light alternator warning light bulb (if it 
has one).  Also you might check your ignition switch and make sure it is 
providing the field electrical supply that the alternator needs.  You 
may have already checked this, but it's a thought.  All I did was 
replace the bulb in my Javelin, it had burned out.

Jeff

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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:07:27 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: 73' Wagoneer Restored Classic

Ryan,

passing this along to the FSJ-list.   It might be helpful if you were 
to let us know whereabouts you are.

Sounds like a nice rig.   Any idea of what you'd like to get out of 
it?

One of the guys was trying to sell a grille, here's how he advertised 
it:  <grin>

>brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com.
>
>I'd like to get $50,000 for the set up but I think that may be a bit
>high so make me an offer.  As a data point, I paid about $100 for 
>the complete swap to a '78.
>
>John Brewer

So, based on that I'd say you could start asking about $1.2 million, 
so long as you're willing to accept a little less.   :)    If you 
decide to keep it, you're welcome to subscribe to the FSJ-list, 
instructions on my page and on ORC fsj page.  Rules are simple,
1) no flames, 2) no foul language, 3) keep it family oriented, and 4) 
keep it mostly FSJ...   

best wishes either way...

later,
john meister

> TO: JOHN AND ALL THE JEEP GOOROOS
> 
> I am the owner of a 1973 jeep wagoneer.  I have been restoring it for
> the last year and half, but I have recently ran out of time and recorces
> to continue.  Maybe you can help.  I have grown emotionaly attached to
> this vehicle so it is hard for me to say that i am considering the
> possibe sale of it. That is why I am writing you.  I feel that only a
> true FSJ enthusiast will appreceate this vehical for what it is.  let me
> tell you a little bit about it.
> 	It is a 1973 full size jeep wagoneer, with the 360 motor, the turbo
> hydra-mattic 400 transmision, and quadra-traction.  the moter has not
> been rebuilt but it still runs very strong.  The transmission has been
> completly rebuilt as well as the quadra-traction.  Almost the entire
> drive train has been reworked, incuding new cv joins, new u-joints, new
> rear drive line and all 4 wheel bearings have been replaced.  the
> suspension system has also been reworked, new shocks and springs.  the
> entire braking system has been replaced with new parts, such as, new
> vacuum booster, new master cylinder, new proportioning valve, new brake
> cylinders, and new pads and rotors.  it is also equipped with dual
> exhaust and dual glass packs.  This jeep has the full chrome package all
> the way around and a tow package installed.  cant forget the almost new
> pathfinder all terain tires mounted on the stock rims.  But the most
> beautiful part of the whole vehical is the fresh paint job.  The color
> is called moss green and the same color can be found on the new 1997
> cherokees and wranglers.  unlike the the wranglers most of which have a
> single stage paint job. this wagoneer was done in base clear with about
> 4 coats of clear for extra durability.  you will not find a single dent
> or any rust.  No corners were cut on the body work of this vehical,
> instead of using a lot of bondo I repleaced whole panels including both
> rear quarters and the tail gate which by the way is electric and fully
> functioning.  the only thing left is the interior,  the dash board has
> been repainted to match the outside and the vinyl portion of the dash
> has been redone in black.  the only thing that needs to be completed to
> make this a comlete and beautiful truck is the carpet, headliner, and
> possibley seats all of which were peviosly red. 
> 	this wagoneer has been in storage for the last 2 years and she is
> ich'in to get back out on the road.  I have not completly decided to
> sell and i might still fininsh the restoration.  the main reason why I
> have e-mailed you is to see if you or anybody you know or any of your
> viewers might be interested in this vehical.  It is by all means a ONE
> OF A KIND.  I have put a lot of time and money into it and i would only
> sell for a decent return.  
> 	I thank you for time to read this message.  please feel free to post it
> and or my e-mail address on your web page.  possably in the future I
> will be able to produce a photograph to send to you. but for now any
> response would be greatly appreciated. 
> 
> 									thankyou again
> 											sincerly
> 													Ryan
> e-mail address
> 	apollo-at-isomedia.com
> 
> 
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   john-at-  http://www.
  Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
        Jeep Wagoneer Limited - 81 SJ & 88 xj
**********************************************************
    no Jesus = no peace  ^  know Jesus =  know peace
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:08:03 -0500
From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com>
Subject: Re: What Carb to use?

Any of the Edelbrock Performer 600 CFM series carbs should work, but 
only one or two of them have the EGR port on the back of the carb (I 
think).  I would go to Edelbrock direct on this if I were you, but if 
you buy the Edelbrock Performer EGR manifold, and one of the 600 CFM 
Performer carbs with electric choke I think they are considered the 
"smog-friendly" carbs.  Don't have a catalog in front of me but this 
seems to be the way it is.

Jeff

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Date:  Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:12:03 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: APB - VIDEO CAPTURE CARD

I'm definetly open to ideas.  I'm kind of a still photographer type, 
you wouldn't want to watch my videos without Dramadine... :)   

So I'm clueless about video.  I just know I want that picture of 
Super Ken going over those rocks on a web page somewhere, somehow.  
It is absolutely awesome.  And I suspect that Tom's WideTrack shots 
are equally as impressive... 

I would be willing to install all three, or four or whatever on ORC 
so anybody and everybody can view it one way or t' other...

great ideas.   but I'll need a little info on how to proceed.  Y'all 
can just email the file as an attachment and provide detailed 
instructions on what to do with it.  I'll park it up on ORC without 
questions asked, but it dang well better be a picture of an FSJ doing 
something... :)  

thanx,
john

> Hi, John. On the video capture idea, is there a way to convert the file to
> play on Real Player? That way, we could get more video on the web page with
> little waiting time since it would just need to be buffered and not
> downloaded, and could be played "real time".
> 
> =======================================
> Henry Padilla
> '68 Jeep Wagoneer
> Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
> jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com
> 
> 
**********************************************************
   john-at-  http://www.
  Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
        Jeep Wagoneer Limited - 81 SJ & 88 xj
**********************************************************
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