Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:44:56 EST From: "Sam Wallace" <wallace-at-riker.stjoe.udayton.edu> Subject: Sludge >... And think of >all those tunnels that could be holding several perfect FSJ >specimens, why think about it, they might not even leak!!!! I finally broke down and bought a drip pan to spare my garage floor. It also spares my kids; they would rather play in Jeep sludge than go swimming. I just thought those leaks were OEM! Sam Wallace Dayton, OH 84 GW[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:19:03 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: HELP !! On Apr 22, 10:07am, john meister wrote: > Subject: Re: HELP !! > bummer. > > BTW, did you tell him about the list when you saw him? I didn't > ask him how he found me, but sheesh, I've got almost every HTML file > I put up loaded with KEY FSJ terms... :) I'm spread across three or > four systems now... > > ttyl, > john > >-- End of excerpt from john meister I told him about the list, and gave him my business card with my e-mail address on it since I didn't know the FSJ-List address off the top of my head (I know, shame on me!). He called a couple times, never e-mailed or subscribed. I think he may be connected at work and can't have too much "social" e-mail, not sure though (this doesn't stop me although I am at work!). Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:18:05 -0400 (EDT) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: EDLEBROCK CAM I just noticed in the FOUR WHEEL DRIVE HARDWARE catalog, that the performer cam and lifters will not fit heads with exhaust vavle rotators...dont 360, and 401 heads have these rotators? Has anyone installed this cam and lifter package in one of these engines ( I KNOW someone has) but How do I tell by looking if the exhaust vavles have rotators? And will they come off? thanks! matt[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:21:01 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: The direction of services we need..... On Apr 22, 5:06pm, Tony Hanson wrote: > Subject: The direction of services we need..... > Hey Folks > I tried to order a catalog from this co on > the web. I got this considerate reply. Please > notice where it asked for 'product suggestions' > I typed 'restoration for older vehicles'. > > Maybe we should really hound guys like this > Scott Kennedy from 4WD Hdw??? > > later.... > > >-- End of excerpt from Tony Hanson When I called them late last year they had just dicsontinued a FSJ catalog that they ran on a trial basis. Not enough interest. I don't know if we're big enough to get their attention and get another catalog out, but it may be worth a try.... Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:23:39 EST From: "Sam Wallace" <wallace-at-riker.stjoe.udayton.edu> Subject: New Guy Hi Folks, I have been sneaking in and out of your conversations for a few weeks now, so I thought I should introduce myself. I have really enjoyed reading what everybody is up to, and it's a relief to know that I'm not the only person on the planet with a love (or some kind of) affair with a big Jeep. I have an 84 GW, and in my spare time I'm a college professor in Dayton, OH. I have a wife and a million kids ranging in age from 11 years to 10 months. Sometimes the only quiet place in my house is in the garage in (or under) the Jeep. My wife drives a 93 Cherokee, but we still speak occasionally. Stanley (my 84 GW), or "Grand Stan" as my son calls it, is getting a makeover this summer, and I really appreciate the contributions from you all to my wish list. I'm pretty much gonna go nuts and try to do a quality rebuild / restore and keep using Stan as a daily driver. I heard that some members of this list were in Ohio and other nearby midwest places. The idea of a regional group of FSJ types that actually get together on occasion sounds like a great idea Sam Wallace Dayton, OH 84 GW[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:50:08 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: 360 V8 Trannies OK, here's why I was asking about the 360 transmission swap. I have mentioned before a 1980 Wagoneer Limited that is parked near my house. It has a RUST FREE body, including complete floors, leather interior which is in pretty good shape, 360 2V. The trick is that someone had trouble with transfer cases and decided to convert it to 2WD. So it has no transfer case and a freshly rebuilt Torqueflite tranny configured for 2WD with no driveshaft. It also needs a battery, starter solenoid, ignition coil, and I think the ignition box is shot since it melted its guts down the inner fender. What I want to do is buy the truck for $400 or $500 as is, and swap in my axles, driveshafts, transfer case, TH400, and possibly my engine depending on which runs better. Then I would take the old components and put them on my RUSTY '78 Cherokee, get a driveshaft fabricated, and sell it for $500-$1000. I get a rust-free body with all the new parts I have put on my Cherokee for mostly the cost of labor. The big question is (Micheal, are you paying attention?), Can I swap the whole works in without modifying the suspension (other than changing axles)? I know the pumpkins are in different locations, and the '80 has a Model 20 rear while the '78 is a Dana 44. Since I have new bearings and brakes in my diffs and I know they work it seems like the thing to do. Please reply with comments on this project. I know it's a ton of work, but if it is posible without too many mods to suspension, steering, and other components (like if it's a bolt in) I want to do it. BTW, the wife has already given her approval for this little exercise. Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:49:47 -0400 (EDT) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: Re: EGR, TIMING, EDLEBROCK 4BBL In a message dated 97-04-23 04:42:22 EDT, you write: > Does it miss at idle only? Under a load only? > > When does it ping? Part-throttle acceleration only? Ping constantly at > cruise > RPM? Can you move you push a little harder or relax a little on the throttle > and the ping stops? Need more input :-). > The accell pump is working, it gets a good BIG squirt... It sounds to be only missing at idle... it pings under a load, ( such as a little incline at road speed) when its in High gear, basically when ever its got a load at LOW rpm.. I have to get on the gas hard to FORCE a downshift, then it revs hard, but i cant bear to let the poor guy PING! about the EGR, the older engines dont have an EGR manifold, are there any other differences in the EGR system? the EGR edlebrock is listed as $10 higher so Ill go ahead and get it, but Im just curious what makes an engine EGR, other than the manifold.. Thanks MBaxter! Matt[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:18:10 -0500 From: jorden-at-mopac.amd.com (Pat Jorden) Subject: Re:junk mail as a data point, i too joined the jeep tech list and saw a couple of spams immediately, dont know if it is from joining or from requesting databooks, etc. over the internet. -pat 74 cherokee texas[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:16:59 -0500 From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer) Subject: Re: 360 V8 Trannies >What I want to do is buy the truck for $400 or $500 as is, and swap in >my axles, driveshafts, transfer case, TH400, and possibly my engine >depending on which runs better. Plus you get two more doors! You may have some trouble with the wide-track axles causing the tires to rub on the inside of the fenders unless you do some cuttin' =8) A Wagoneer with fender flares would really be BOSS. JB "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither." Benjamin Franklin[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:35:42 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: 360 V8 Trannies On Apr 23, 9:16am, John Brewer wrote: > Subject: Re: 360 V8 Trannies > > Plus you get two more doors! > > You may have some trouble with the wide-track axles causing the tires to > rub on the inside of the fenders unless you do some cuttin' =8) A Wagoneer > with fender flares would really be BOSS. > > JB > >-- End of excerpt from John Brewer Oh yeah, forgot to mention that my Cherokee is 4-door. Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 09:33:51 CDT
From: hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com (Tony Hanson)
Subject: Re: 360 V8 Trannies
Hey Jeff,
Just so you will know, I looked it up in the FSJ dictionary
>Please reply with comments on this project. I know it's a ton of
work,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
and the definition was TRUE LOVE....
Tony R. Hanson (hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com)
1964 Wagoneer Copeville, Texas
[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:32:55 -0600 (MDT) From: Brian Riggs <Brian.Riggs-at-genetics.utah.edu> Subject: Re: My Library has Grown...KEN! Zack, How much for a copy of the '79 TSM???? Brian On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Zack Heisey wrote: > Fellow FSJ'ers, > Last weekend I went to the spring show in Carlisle PA, and I got a few > new books. Below is a list of what I currently have, and whether it is > an original or a repop: > Technical Service Manuals > 79 TSM Three volume set REPOP > Anyone interested in any of these. I could make some onesy, twosy > copies cheap. Let me know, > > Zack Heisey > '79 J-10 > '79 Cherokee Chief Wide Track > and a couple of books[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 97 20:54:00 PDT
From: "Jandrt, Rick" <rjandrt-at-msgate.litc.lockheed.com>
Subject: FW: To The John Meister - 2
Fortunately no. It's close to Denver.
Rick(chocolate moose)
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Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 2:19 PM
To: Multiple recipients of
Subject: Re: To The John Meister
So does this Lockheed email address belong to an Amsoil dealer near
Sunnyvale CA?
Mike Ahlmann
rjandrt -at- msgate.litc.lockheed.com
04/22/97 02:28 PM
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Hey John, I'm also an AMSOIL dealer, ZO269144, been one since 79. Been a
Christian since 91, about the time I became a Jeep owner. COINCIDENCE? I
think not!!!
Rick(chocloate moose)
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 10:51:40 -0400
From: Phil_Horton-at-avid.com
Subject: FSJ saved - thanks for your support
Wanted to thank my fellow FSJ'ers for your support/cards&letters and let
you know that a compromise (of sorts) has been reached. The Grand
Wagoneer is going to remain a part of the family but will be moved to
the recreational vehicle catagory. Turns out that my wife is really
just lusting for the 94 Subaru Legacy 4WD Wagon I recently acquired as a
commuter. She had zip interest in the XT6/shoebox I recently junked but
the wagon - it can fit all the kids plus cart around lots'o'stuff.
Ain't it always alterior motives. Can't knock Subarus too much. I buy
them used and run them up to 175-200K before I have to junk'em. At
least I know what's going to break and when. So it looks like I'm going
to able to spend some quality time on the Wag without having to rush to
get things back together by Monday morning (and I'm in the market for
another commuter).
Catching up on digests.
If you still need help converting VHS video (or other media) to digital
files I can help. The company I work for, Avid, was the first
manufacturer of non-linear digital editing systems (that's marketeese
for word procesors for video and film).
Somebody had asked about beach driving and rust. I've been running the
Wag over the beach (chasing fishies) since I bought it in '88. The
truck probably spends 3-4 weeks per year on the beach. The major rust
problem I've had was the frame. A couple of weeks ago I had a local
shop sandblast and weld in reinforcing sections to the frame cause the
guy that has put a sticker on the truck since I bought it refused to
without the work. The floor is still in good shape however I started
getting water inside this past winter. Found Michael Baxter's piece on
finding and fixin leaks. Good set of tips. Guess I know what I'm going
to be spending time on this coming w/e.
Lookin forward to the upcoming NE chapter get-together. Should be fun
and there should be some good pics if everybody brings their toys.
take care
Phil Horton
phil_horton-at-avid.com
'88 Grand Wagoneer
[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 22 Apr 97 20:59:00 PDT
From: "Jandrt, Rick" <rjandrt-at-msgate.litc.lockheed.com>
Subject: FW: jeeptech subscribers
I've been on jeeptech and jeep-l and not received any miscellaneous
unwanted solicitations.
Rick(chocolate moose)
rjandrt-at-msgate.litc.lockheed.com
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Subject: jeeptech subscribers
How many fsj guys are subscribed to the jeeptech list?
It was brought up on the jeeptech list about all the junk
mail. I am receiving many unsolicited e-mails a day
for loans, products, etc. The amount of unwanted mail
has increased since joining jeeptech. Can anyone else
verify this....or coincidence?
C'ya
Joe-
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[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 22 Apr 97 21:07:00 PDT From: "Jandrt, Rick" <rjandrt-at-msgate.litc.lockheed.com> Subject: Reply from The chocolate moose,... :) - Here I Am John M. Wrote: >ZO 283461, since 83? As stated earlier. ZO269144 since 79. >lifetime dealer since 91? lifetime since '81 >Christian since March 1975... Since March 91 married since Nov 1975 (only once...) unmarried since 77 no hair since circa 1980, coincided with the first kid... :) (have 2) hair since birth FSJ owner circa 1987... :) (on my 5th FSJ...) Not yet, but trying to sell Bonneville so can buy FSJ. >There does seem to be a realtively high moral content among the FSJ >folks, haven't met a person on the list yet that wasn't a good >friend... not all Christians, but decent and friendly folks... kuhl >Hey, lockheed? Where abouts are ya? I used to work for >Boeing, trying to get back on... Denver area. If I told you the exact location then I'd have to kill ya. It's secret!!! Naw not really, but we do keep a very low profile. Rick[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:07:17 -0600 (MDT)
From: Brian Riggs <Brian.Riggs-at-genetics.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: To The chocolate moose, wherever you
On 23 Apr 1997, Michael Baxter wrote:
> "john meister" <john-at-> writes:
>
> >> There does seem to be a realtively high moral content among the FSJ
> folks
> <<
>
> Hmmm...then there was the great FSJ heist that you and Doc masterminded? I
> guess you did use the word "relatively" high morals :-).
>
> Oops...after-thought, I might be giving Doc undue credit? Was it Mark?
>
> -- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
> From Reno, NV USA on 23-Apr-1997 at 00:17:08 PDT
Michael,
The way I see it we have a MORAL OBLIGATION to liberate those FSJs if
there really are any being held in captivity.
Brian
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:40:02 -0700
From: Mike_Ahlmann-at-infinity.com
Subject: Re: Air Intake Hose
Does this mean this isn't a case of brain fade on my part? Does the
display say that it's a '91?
-Mike A.
74172.1164 -at- CompuServe.COM
04/23/97 12:22 AM
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Mike Ahlmann writes:
>> How many '91's did they sell
<<
Approximately 1500-1600. If you want a late model Wag. with collector
potential..'91 is the year.
Hey everybody, Who (John) has a copy of the mag. article on the Last Wag.
and is willing to photocopy the thing and send it to me? I want to take the
article down to the museum and get them to make a new sign that says it's a
'92.
-- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:38:02 -0500 From: "Dave Read"<DSREAD-at-hewitt.com> Subject: Re: 360 V8 Trannies Will a 74-79 D44 in an 80-8? Wag cause the driveshaft to interfere with the gas tank. I'm not at all sure about this, just something else to check. I do know the 63-6? D44 has a different pumpkin offset than the 74-79 D44, which is now under my 67 Wag. In my case I had more clearance between the driveshaft and tank. You may find it difficult to recoup the cost of your labor by selling a rusty 2WD 78 Cherokee. I think it will be difficult to sell, and if it does sell you won't get much for it. You may be better off cutting it up and keeping what you want/have room for and selling what you don't. Another alternative for the 80 Wag would be to find a 4WD Torqueflite tailshaft (I think these are interchangable) and transfer case (NP208?), or use the 2WD Torqueflite and a divorce mounted transfer case (NP205) with the front output on the correct side for 1980-92 FSJ (Not sure what trucks (if any) used a divorced NP205 with the front output on the side you need). Good Luck! Dave __________________________________________________ *in reply to jgunn's memo of 04/23/97 09:50:08 AM OK, here's why I was asking about the 360 transmission swap. I have mentioned before a 1980 Wagoneer Limited that is parked near my house. It has a RUST FREE body, including complete floors, leather interior which is in pretty good shape, 360 2V. The trick is that someone had trouble with transfer cases and decided to convert it to 2WD. So it has no transfer case and a freshly rebuilt Torqueflite tranny configured for 2WD with no driveshaft. It also needs a battery, starter solenoid, ignition coil, and I think the ignition box is shot since it melted its guts down the inner fender. What I want to do is buy the truck for $400 or $500 as is, and swap in my axles, driveshafts, transfer case, TH400, and possibly my engine depending on which runs better. Then I would take the old components and put them on my RUSTY '78 Cherokee, get a driveshaft fabricated, and sell it for $500-$1000. I get a rust-free body with all the new parts I have put on my Cherokee for mostly the cost of labor. The big question is (Micheal, are you paying attention?), Can I swap the whole works in without modifying the suspension (other than changing axles)? I know the pumpkins are in different locations, and the '80 has a Model 20 rear while the '78 is a Dana 44. Since I have new bearings and brakes in my diffs and I know they work it seems like the thing to do. Please reply with comments on this project. I know it's a ton of work, but if it is posible without too many mods to suspension, steering, and other components (like if it's a bolt in) I want to do it. BTW, the wife has already given her approval for this little exercise. Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:04:36 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: 360 V8 Trannies On Apr 23, 10:38am, Dave Read wrote: > Subject: Re: 360 V8 Trannies > > You may find it difficult to recoup the cost of your labor by selling a > rusty 2WD 78 Cherokee. I think it will be difficult to sell, and if it > does sell you won't get much for it. You may be better off cutting it up > and keeping what you want/have room for and selling what you don't. > I was thinking about that last night....the problem is I don't have much room. > Another alternative for the 80 Wag would be to find a 4WD Torqueflite > tailshaft (I think these are interchangable) and transfer case (NP208?), or > use the 2WD Torqueflite and a divorce mounted transfer case (NP205) with > the front output on the correct side for 1980-92 FSJ (Not sure what trucks > (if any) used a divorced NP205 with the front output on the side you need). > I thought about just trying to restore the original configuration, get a transfer case and driveshafts from the junkyard, but I have a few $$$ in bearings, brakes, etc. in my D44 axles so I would like to use them. Tough call... >-- End of excerpt from Dave Read[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:29:40 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: (Fwd) 30th anniversary thought you guys might like to see this... john ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 04:40:36 UT From: "Mike Childs" <Jeepsterman-at-msn.com> To: orcstaff-at-off-road.com Subject: 30th anniversary I just posted the Jeepster's 30th anniversary page at: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeepster/30.htm Please post to the events calendar for August. Mike ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:28:42 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com> Subject: work? Jeff said- >or subscribed. I think he may be connected at work and can't have too >much "social" e-mail, not sure though (this doesn't stop me although I >am at work!). > >Jeff Oh...so you're getting PAID to talk FSJ's eh? I'm hurt..... :-) C'ya Joe-[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:32:22 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com> Subject: Re: New Guy >I heard that some members of this list were in Ohio and other nearby >midwest places. The idea of a regional group of FSJ types that >actually get together on occasion sounds like a great idea > >Sam Wallace >Dayton, OH >84 GW > Hi Sam, Hey I'm not that far from Dayton....usually go the the Hamfest every year. (world's largest ham radio swap meet) Yea we need a midwest chapter and we also need to determine which states belong to the midwest. Any ideas? Nice to meet you, Joe- 79 Chief >[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:41:43 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: (Fwd) eh? 62 FJ-3A???
hey, if doc doesn't know what this is, maybe the Jeepster or the
Willys Guru's might for sure...
I vaguely recall seeing something like this in the Robert C. Ackerson
book that I REALLY, REALLY want on the 50 year Jeep History, btw,
did I tell you that I really want to find this book? :) Since
it's out on loan until the 26th, I'll have to resort to "lesser"
reference books...
In the Jeep Buyer's Guide, they show a DJ3A, they produced 1,326,
perhaps the F indicates a Fleet model delivery truck type rig (like
the mail trucks) based on the generic DJ-3A. Since we know Jeep did
a lot of Government type deals, it's quite possible the F just
indicates a Fleet model with a custom configuration...
The only other xJ-3A models listed were the CJ-3A's and they quite
producing them in 1953...
There is also the possibility that this was a custom export model,
like the CJ10's we ran across in Australia...
So that's my guess...
I'm cc'ing this to the ORC staff to see if they have any other ideas.
later,
john
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From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
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Subject: eh?
>62 Jeep Fleetvan Model FJ-3A
What on EARTH is THAT?
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:38:25 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com> Subject: Re: FW: jeeptech subscribers At 08:59 PM 4/22/97 PDT, you wrote: > >I've been on jeeptech and jeep-l and not received any miscellaneous >unwanted solicitations. > Hmmm, well I am getting 4 or 5 a day. Coincides with joining the list. Coincidence? Joe- getting spammed to death in Indy[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:49:02 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: eh? - HOLD that last message!!! > >62 Jeep Fleetvan Model FJ-3A > > What on EARTH is THAT? I just flipped through the Jeep Buyer's guide drooling over the Willys Wagons and thinking how I could probably talk my son into restoring the 77 Cherokee, selling it and then buying a Willys Wagon or a Jeepster and building it... when lo and behold, on PAGE 34 of that said Jeep BUYER's GUIDE (isbn 0-87938-277-5, Mopar part number P5249653). THERE IT IS... "The FJ3-A Fleetvan first saw production in 1961. Built on the 81 inch wheelbase CJ-5 chassis, it came only in two-wheel-drive and was powered by the venerable Hurricane four-cylinder. The bulk of these were made for use by the Post Office, although a few were sold for commercial use. The Fleetvan did not prove to be a success, however, because of its small size and payload capacity." Probably the same reasons it wouldn't be popular with the FSJ crowd... <grin> Mystery solved. Sorry to clutter your inboxes... Actually, it's kind of a cute little bugger, brings back childhood memories of the mailman in rural Crystal Lake, Illinois... I remember this thing bringing my latest Dr. Suess books... <grin> My favorite was "Go Dog Go..." (I wonder why? :-) > ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:46:07 -0700
From: swhitney-at-presto.GIS.Pima.GOV. (Steve Whitney)
Subject: Re: 4350 carb info (long)
Michael Baxter writes:
>
> I have an unconfirmed theory about the difference between 4300
> and the 4350. The 4350 is a spread-bore carb. while the 4300 is a square-bore?
>
Thought I'd throw in some more info on Motorcraft carbs as referenced on the
Pony Carburetor resto page. Pony specializes in restoring carbs that were used
on Fords. The page address is: www.cybervillage.com/ponycarburetor
Here's what they say about the 4300 and 4350:
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AUTOLITE 4300
[Image] The Autolite 4300 is one of our very special products. From
day-one they all had engineering problems. In driveability those
problems amounted to hesitations and flat spots on light acceleration, a
big bog on hard acceleration, and hard starting when hot. We correct all
of those items during the restoration process by internally re-engineering
the specifications of the carburetor.
In addition, over a period of years, most 4300's will leak fuel from the
front of the carburetor between the lid or air horn, and the main body.
This is also corrected.
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MOTORCRAFT 4350
The Motorcraft 4350 was first introduced in 1975 and was only used on the
460 V8 engines. It has some chronic design problems which we do correct
during the restoration. The driveability problems are basically a
hesitation and flat spot on light acceleration and a big bog on hard
acceleration. It is important to note that even though we can make the
carburetor function perfectly unless all of the emission devices on the
engine are installed and every device operating properly, the end user
still may have some hesitation and flat spots. The worst year of
application is 1975 and the 1975 460's basically just won't run very well
ever.
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And here's what they say about the 4100:
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AUTOLITE 4100
[Image] This is the finest four-barrel carburetor that has yet to be made
by anybody. In performance, reliability, and fuel economy it is
simply state-of-the-art. It will "blow away" anything that holley has yet
to make. There are several subtle engineering changes that we do to this
carburetor to make the secondaries perform even better than the day they
left the factory.
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Anybody seen/heard of one of these in the Jeep circles? I wonder if they would
be a bolt on replacement for the 4350? I'm sending an email to Pony to see if
they would know.
And finally, here's some interesting info on 2V to 4V conversions (remember,
they are talking abount Ford apps, but interesting none the less):
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GOING FROM A 2V TO A 4V CARBURETOR
There is a significant performance difference going from a 2V to a 4V
carburetor. A 289 2V will turn the quarter mile in about 17.8 seconds (+/-)
at 76-78 MPH while the four barrel will do it in about 15.8 seconds at 85-87
MPH. That's a full 2 second difference.
The parts you will need include:
1. An intake manifold (from others) $125.00
2. 4 barrel spacer plate $ 35.00
3. Throttle return spring bracket $ 10.00
After market intakes are NOT recommended especially the Eldebrock Performer.
People report back to us from all over the country that vacuum leaks occur
with that product due to the extremely narrow mounting flange on the drivers
and passenger side of the carburetor mounting flange! It will absolutely NOT
work with a factory carburetor as the flange does not line up (a flat thin
spacer will allow it to work in a pinch).
We recommend the Ford factory cast iron intake. It is an excellent dual
plane design, and only weighs about 20 pounds more than the cast aluminum.
For high performance applications - we suggest an original Cobra Hi Rise
(some new reproductions also have a narrow mounting flange). If a Hi Rise
intake is used - the 1" thick spacer plate is not required - the PCV
(Positive Crankcase Ventilation) hose will go directly in to the intake -
behind the carburetor.
Average cost of original or repro cobra aluminum intake is $300.00 +/-.
CARBURETORS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
260, 289, 302 1.08 480 CFM
351, 352, 390, 400 1.12 600 CFM
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Well, that's all for now on the carb front (aren't you glad?!).
c-ya,
Whit.
Steve Whitney, '78 Wag
Tucson, AZ
swhitney-at-gis.pima.gov
[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:54:20 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: Sludge & leaks... Hey, there is hope, after two years of Old Blue ownership I've got him down to just ONE little, well sorta, leak... the tranny, not sure if it's the front pump seal or the torque converter. When he's cold he takes some time to go into drive, fluid level is up, smells fine, once warm he has not trouble shifting or pulling... (obviously if he's yanking 18-wheelers and dump trucks...) For a whole bunch of my labor and about $300 I've found an AT repair guy who will go through the whole thing for me... He recommends keeping my TF727 with whatever motor I decide on over the newer at4spdod model or the th700r4, or going with the TH400... Anyways, all I have is one piddle mark now... just some cherry juice... no more anti-freeze or oil.. (well there might still be some oil in the tranny runoff... :) On the other hand, my little wagoneers could be parked on the living room carpet without concern, if they wiped their feet off at the door... :) > >... And think of > >all those tunnels that could be holding several perfect FSJ > >specimens, why think about it, they might not even leak!!!! > > > I finally broke down and bought a drip pan to spare my garage floor. > It also spares my kids; they would rather play in Jeep sludge than go > swimming. > I just thought those leaks were OEM! > > Sam Wallace > Dayton, OH > 84 GW > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:55:32 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: list shyness... I think a lot of folks have a little trouble figuring out how to sign up, and may think it actually costs something, other than time that is... :) john > On Apr 22, 10:07am, john meister wrote: > > Subject: Re: HELP !! > > bummer. > > > > BTW, did you tell him about the list when you saw him? I didn't > > ask him how he found me, but sheesh, I've got almost every HTML file > > I put up loaded with KEY FSJ terms... :) I'm spread across three or > > four systems now... > > > > ttyl, > > john > > > >-- End of excerpt from john meister > > I told him about the list, and gave him my business card with my e-mail > address on it since I didn't know the FSJ-List address off the top of my > head (I know, shame on me!). He called a couple times, never e-mailed > or subscribed. I think he may be connected at work and can't have too > much "social" e-mail, not sure though (this doesn't stop me although I > am at work!). > > Jeff > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:09:44 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: New Guy
Welcome aboard Sam....
and howdy to "Grand Stan" from "Old Blue"...
I think I have an aunt that lives in Dayton... since I haven't
written to her in about a bazillion years I've forgotten.... :}
john
> Hi Folks,
>
> I have been sneaking in and out of your conversations for a few weeks
> now, so I thought I should introduce myself. I have really enjoyed
> reading what everybody is up to, and it's a relief to know that I'm
> not the only person on the planet with a love (or some kind of)
> affair with a big Jeep.
>
> I have an 84 GW, and in my spare time I'm a college professor in
> Dayton, OH. I have a wife and a million kids ranging in age from 11
> years to 10 months. Sometimes the only quiet place in my house is in
> the garage in (or under) the Jeep. My wife drives a 93 Cherokee, but
> we still speak occasionally.
>
> Stanley (my 84 GW), or "Grand Stan" as my son calls it, is getting a
> makeover this summer, and I really appreciate the contributions from
> you all to my wish list. I'm pretty much gonna go nuts and try to do
> a quality rebuild / restore and keep using Stan as a daily driver.
>
> I heard that some members of this list were in Ohio and other nearby
> midwest places. The idea of a regional group of FSJ types that
> actually get together on occasion sounds like a great idea
>
> Sam Wallace
> Dayton, OH
> 84 GW
>
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john-at- http://www.
ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj
Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ
no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:18:04 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: Reply from The chocolate moose,... :) - Here I Am >> >Hey, lockheed? Where abouts are ya? I used to work for > >Boeing, trying to get back on... > > Denver area. If I told you the exact location then I'd have to kill ya. > It's secret!!! Naw not really, but we do keep a very low profile. > Rick I know where it is... They were trying to recruit me a couple of years ago... I chose NOT to move to Denver because they SALT THEIR ROADS... gasp!!! When I got married we considered Colorado, Oregon or Washington as the place to live. (my wife is from South Dakota, I'm from Illinois...) We decided on Oregon, then the Japanese helped me move to Washington... (dumping DRAM's on the market in the mid 80's forced Intel out of the market, closing the R&D fab associated with DRAMs and me out of a job and into circuit design for boeing... ) Looks like you'll be close for the 40th FSJ anniversary in OuRay, CO in the year 2003... what was the date, August time frame? Mark Wallace and a couple others were coming up with some good ideas on this thing... My son is planning on having his 77 Cherokee together by then too... so we may convoy down in TWO FSJ's... cool huh, expensive, YES... :) later, john ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:24:10 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: (Fwd) Legacy of the FSJ......correction If consumer reports created the SUV label then I want NOTHING to do with it... :-) I almost have to agree with you on the Willys Wagons... But side by side with a Wagoneer, I'd have to say the Wagoneer is orders of magnitude nicer and more refined... I still think the little Willys Wagons are great... I had a 53 for a short time, but it was hacked up pretty bad and I swapped it for a different project... I'm kicking myself for passing up on a 56 Willys Pickup, 230 Tornado Six, a killer winch and so on... only $2500... I was neck deep in a custom house at the time and couldn't spring for another project rig when I already had three other vehicles and a tractor at the time... later, john > >see what you guys started? :-) All this because someone tried to > >take the rightful place of the first SUV from an FSJ... > > > >It's amazing how a recent term like SUV can create such interest... > > > >(I should have forwarded some of the comments about the Willys Wagons > >being the first SUV... :) > > > >later, > >fsj-john > > > John, > > This reminds me of the ongoing disagreement on where the "Jeep" term came from! > My definition (right or wrong:-) of SUV is some type of station wagon style > body (maybe built on a truck chassis) with 4WD or AWD. I wouldn't be > surprised if Popular Mechanics or Consumer Reports was responsible for the > "SUV" label. > > Forget luxury interiors, and the "sports" part of the SUV label. The early > Isuzu Trooper IIs are considered to be an SUV. Complete with vinyl seats, > rubber floor mats, and having to stop to engage 4wd. Not a lot of > horsepower either. Hmmm, all those features also describe my `63 Willys 4wd > Utility Wagon! I'm sure you can find a Wagoneer with vinyl seats and rubber > floor mats. Some of the late (`62 and later) Willys wagons used the same > 6-230 engine that was used in the early Wagoneers. > > Yes, there were other improvements, it's called evolution. If you park a > early Wagoneer next to a Grand Cherokee, there's a world of difference > between them. The SUV label came along later than the early Wagoneers and > the Willys Wagons. But if you want to apply the SUV label to the early > Wagoneers, you can't ignore the Willys Wagons. > > Just my .02 worth, > > Tom Wanamaker > > `63 Willys 4x4 Station Wagon The Original Sport Utility Vehicle > `89 Wrangler Sahara Got rid of it! > `91 Cherokee Sport All Terrain, All Weather Commuter > Willys Internet Truck Club (moving soon to Off-Road.Com!) > http://www.pressenter.com/~twanamak/willys/willys.htm > http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/willys/index.htm > Classic Jeeps & Restorations on Off-Road.Com > http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/classicjeep/ > > ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
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