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Date:  Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:54:46 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: rust

come on down gents... er up...

just bring something to deal with mold, mildew and slug slime, oh 
yeah and pine needles...

Hey, there's a thought for a vacation...  tow dolly a good body 
back...  

let's see, asking price $11,539.25...  :)
  I might take a little less... : )

What would a rust free wagoneer body bring back east?   I know where 
I can lay my hands on several...

later,
john


> >I wish we could find rust free bodies around here in southern Illinois.  On
> >quiet nights we set on the front porch and listen to the cars rust :)
> >
> >Mike Saltsgaver.
> >
> Amen brother!!!  Same here.  Maybe we should load up a car hauler
> and make a run out west and buy up the good rust free bodies?
> You can keep rust away with proper care IF you start with a rust
> free specimen.
> 
> C'ya
> joe-
> 
> 79 Chief
> 
> 
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Date:  Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:03:01 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: Matador???

> Anyone have some salvaged trim pieces from a GW for sale?  A previous owner
> had taken it off of our '80.  I'd like to replace it (some people shudder at
> the thought of fake wood, but hey, my daughter cringed when I bought the
> Matador too :) ).  I can get the vinyl filler, but can't find the
> surrounding trim.
> 
> The poor thing needs paint bad (read no paint left on the roof), so if I can
> get some trim, maybe  it'll motivate me to do something about it.
> Mike Saltsgaver.
> 

Mike, give Performance Jeep in Everett a call, toll free
1-800-pro-jeep...     They should have it, buy it through my business 
and you'll save 20% off list... Meister Distribution & Services.  
They'll UPS, it's out of state, so no Sales Tax, they'll take 
Visa/MC...

Matador?    Believe it or not, but Mark's 77 Cherokee is getting it's 
360 out of a Matador... :)

later,
john
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 Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ
   no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace
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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 97 00:00:33 EDT
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: Re: tailgate weatherstripping


Hey no problem. No hurry.  I wasn't complaining, just reporting.
>>>>
Didn't think you were, but still isn't cool...  Didn't know thre was 
difference, but now know. Why talking like this?  Hmmm

Tonto



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Date:  Wed, 23 Apr 97 23:58:18 EDT
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: Re: Brad F!

If I wanted to convert my QT J20 to a Dana 20, would I have to get new
driveshafts?
>>>>>>
maybe
>>>>>>
what does that depend on?

 
Which
trucks had the D20 that was driven by a TH400? 
up til  the QT came in 73 74, most all jtrucks w/ th400 had
the d20 too.
>>>>>
what other makes had this D20?  how much would one pay (ave) for a 
complete-with-shifter type set-up?

Can you get a rebuild kit for the D20 at one source?
Anything I should know about this case?

How aggressive is the Milemarker unit?

Brad Feick





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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 97 00:07:01 EDT
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: Jeeps with 350 Buicks

All you guys with 350 Buick powered Jeeps E-mail me privately for some cool 
news about everything you ever wanted to know about Buick motors for free!!

Brad Feick
Resident Buick Freak


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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 97 00:03:34 EDT
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: Re: 360 v8 trannys


Amen brother!!!  Same here.  Maybe we should load up a car hauler
and make a run out west and buy up the good rust free bodies?

>>>>
I'll take a QT Wagoneer for my 258/QT!

Brad Feick



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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 97 00:19:05 EDT
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: Re: rust


What would a rust free wagoneer body bring back east?   I know where 
I can lay my hands on several...
>>>>
Heal them brother!  (then bring 'em out to me)  HOW long does it take to drive
to the jest coast?

Brad Feick




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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 01:20:56 -0500
From: "Dave Read"<DSREAD-at-hewitt.com>
Subject: First SUV 1949





First 2WD Willys Station Wagon July 1946.

First 4WD Willys Station Wagon 1949.


Four Wheel Drive Model Names Used Over the Years

Station Wagon (First SUV 1949-56, only 4WD model offered till 53)
Deluxe Station Wagon (1952-55, nicer interior)
Utility Wagon (1955-65, panel truck w/add-on windows & rear seat, less $
than Station Wagon)
Utility Wagon (1957-1965, really a station wagon, not sure why they went
back to this name)
Station Wagon Traveler (???? 1964-65)
Sedan Delivery (1953-56, panel truck)
Utility Delivery (1957-65, panel truck)

The Willys Wagon never had an automatic transmission,  lots of chrome and
two-tone paint schemes though.

International Trivia
Factory AC - 1961
Automatic transmission - 1954
Automatic transmission w/ 4WD - 1967? (looks like jeep had them beat)
Factory 4WD Pickup - 1953
Factory 4WD Travelall - 1955
Three door Travelall, Custom interior, two-tone paint, chrome - 1957
Four door Travelall - 1961

Dave



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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 02:26:00 -0700
From: "Mark J. Smith" <us004765-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Met Zack -at- Carlisle Correction

Sorry I got carried away. The tough truck competition is not until 
July at the 4-Wheel Jamboree in Bloomsburg, PA it is here you can 
catch the now famous family jeepster running the tough truck
challenge which by the way is broadcast on the cable channel TNN.

The Bloomsburg, PA show also has mud bog racing and monster truck
racing with all the big names there, this also can be seen on TNN.

Last years review of this show in Four Wheeler magazine even had 
a blurb as to how many J-Trucks had participated in the show.

Regards,

Mark

At 07:16 PM 4/23/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Only problem with getting the J10 out of the garage and into the body
>shop for the coveted Carlisle All-Truck Nationals is a steering gear box
>late 70's would do.  Any one got a rebuilt or decent one for sale as this is 
>going on a totally rebuilt front end.  By the way received the brochure
>in the mail today for the All Truck Nationals.  Bigfoots, Samson and the 
>Virginia Giant will be there as well.  This is a no miss show with lots
>of parts for sale also the dates are June 20-22 at Carlisle PA.
>Check it out at http://www.carpro.com  The tough truck competition
>is always a blast to with the ever so famous family Jeepster a tough 
>competitor who competes every year and has become the favorite every year 
>now with the fans going wild as he makes the jumps and turns in an FSJ
>Wagoneer.  Looks like he might rig up a new one for competition every
>year and places very respectively.
>
>Regards,
>
>Mark
>
Mark Smith
marksjeep-at-mindspring.com

Editor: Jeep J-Series Home Page 
http://www.mindspring.com/~us004765/jtrkwww.htm

1978 J20 360 V8 Daily driver stock.
1984 J10 360 V8 Frame off restoration slightly modified.


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Date:  Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:56:29 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: rust

Depends.

On how long my family can sit.   Typically they're good for about 8 
hours...   Sometimes I can stretch it to 10...   But I'm severely 
chastised... : )

Solo...  back when I was as young as Mark and had hair and everything 
I did 18 hours non-stop, slept 4 or 5 hours and did another 12 
hours...  (and then proposed to my wife... she accepted and I fell 
asleep... : )   That was a long, long, long time ago...  1975...

Anyway, I could probably drive 12 hours non-stop rest & relax 6 to 8 
hours and do it again...

Question is it really gonna pay?   If I can combine a vacation and 
visit relatives along the way then it might work ok...  Only problem 
is I'd only be going as far as South Dakota...  Well, wait, maybe 
Chicago...   Let's see what year is this?  97...  94+5, in 99 they 
may have a 25th reunion at my HS... don't know...   Can you wait till 
then?   :)

Hey, btw, if you have some good stuff on Buicks why don't you send me 
a copy and I'll put it up on ORC FSJ-tech.html....   You'll be famous 
and everything...   And you'll make as much money on your efforts as 
I am... :)   yep, nothin'... :)

ttyl,
john


 
> What would a rust free wagoneer body bring back east?   I know where 
> I can lay my hands on several...
> >>>>
> Heal them brother!  (then bring 'em out to me)  HOW long does it take to drive
> to the jest coast?
> 
> Brad Feick
> 
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JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ
   no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace
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Date:  24 Apr 97 03:14:47 EDT
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: New Guy

"Sam Wallace" <wallace-at-riker.stjoe.udayton.edu> writes:

 >> I have really enjoyed reading what everybody is up to, and it's a relief
to know that I'm not the only person on the planet with a love (or some kind
of) affair with a big Jeep.

 I have an 84 GW, and in my spare time I'm a college professor in Dayton, OH.
 <<

 Yes Sam...you are not alone anymore. Welcome to the list. You haven't by any
chance ever been awakened in the middle of the night by one of those noisy
Emery box hauling things with wings have you? It wasn't me :-).

 -- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
 From Reno, NV USA on 24-Apr-1997 at 00:10:38 PDT

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Date:  24 Apr 97 03:14:54 EDT
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: 360 V8 Trannies

"Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> writes:

 >> Can I swap the whole works in without modifying the suspension (other
 than changing axles)?
 <<

 Well...you're forging into new territory there Jeff but, I think it can be
done. Note that you may have to swap gas tanks as well. It depends on how far
forward the '80s gas tank extends. It may interfere with the Q-T's low range
unit (if you have one)

 And I not sure about the steering linkage. It should be the same but, yea
never know. You'll need to change the glove box liner and route the vac.
lines. Some fabrication will probably be req'd for the shift linkages as well.

 I can't think of anything else. I think it would be fun project (most of the
time...use a rubber hammer for the "other"  times).

 A while back you (I think it was you) asked about coolant temp. creep-up
during long idle periods. That's not normal on either of mine and I would
guess your radiator is marginally plugged-up.

 -- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
 From Reno, NV USA on 24-Apr-1997 at 00:10:48 PDT

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Date:  24 Apr 97 03:14:58 EDT
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: tailgate weatherstripping

Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com> writes:

 >> the piece that clips to the gate and rubs the glass is/was different. The
clips did not line up with the slots in my gate.. :-(
 <<

 Joe, you weren't trying to use an inner in place of an outer or vice versa
where you?

 -- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
 From Reno, NV USA on 24-Apr-1997 at 00:10:53 PDT

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Date:  24 Apr 97 03:15:10 EDT
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: EGR, TIMING, EDLEBROCK 4BBL

GypsyLive-at-aol.com writes:

 >> It sounds to be only missing at idle...
 <<

 Matt, your going to have to do the usual vac. leak hunt, carb. adjust, and
secondary ignition system inspection/testing to solve that one. From the guys
I've helped out via e-mail and my own recent experience, Motorcraft carbs. on
FSJs commonly have the idle mixture set too rich. Clockwise (in) leans them
out.

 >> basically when ever its got a load at LOW rpm.. <<

 Pinging under those conditions usually indicates a lean mixture. I would have
to guess that disconnecting the stepper motor and associated junk didn't help.
I don't know anything about the feedback carbs. but, can you turn the stepper
thingie and richen up the mixture a little? Otherwise you are going to have to
pull the main jets and ream them out a tad. This requires a special reaming
tool.

 Basic tune-up procedures should solve any ping/knock conditions as long as
the carb. is not providing too lean of a mixture.

 For all the guys who want to get rid of the feedback carb. and are stuck with
2bbls for smog reasons, I would recommend getting a J.C Whitney catalog. JCW
advertises outright replacement carbs. pretty cheaply. When you order, you
would need to tell them you have a '79 Wag., 360, 2bbl and the carb. tag reads
9RHA2 (I think that's it...e-mail me before anyone does this and I'll double
check). That would get you a non-feed back 2150. Rip off the idle mix limiter
caps and you would have a great carb.

 I can probably come-up with the proper code for the 2100 as well if you
prefer.

 >> about the EGR, the older engines dont have an EGR manifold, are there any
other differences in the EGR system? the EGR edlebrock is listed as $10 higher
so Ill go ahead and get it, but Im just curious what makes an engine EGR,
other than the manifold..
 <<

 YOu got it perfectly. A EGR engine is not different beyond the intake
manifold and the EGR port and associated vac. stuff on the carb.

 An EGR valve just happens to help out ping problems under lightly loaded
constant cruise RPM conditions. EGR valves close when you stomp on the
throttle. They are not necessarily the answer to a ping problem. It's better
to get the engine set-up so it doesn't ping and then use the EGR valve as a
safety margin against poor fuel. And believe me, an engine with only 8.25 to 1
compression should run on 87 octane fuel without pinging ever.

 I have never heard a single ping/knock from the Cherokee at sea-level on the
cheapest gas I could put in the tank. Plus, I set the initial timing at 14-15
degrees and get 34-36 total. The Cherokee has spent a total of 5 1/2 years
under my care at altitudes of less than 1,000 ft. The Wag. doesn't ping at
sea-level now but, it did do it for while a long time ago.

 -- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
 From Reno, NV USA on 24-Apr-1997 at 00:12:58 PDT

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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:08:48 -0400
From: Jack Jacques <ozwine-at-dnet.net>
Subject: Vacuum system

Folks,

I can do this.
This weekend I plan to replace the vacuum hose. I have a couple of
questions.
The round in line fittings - are they check valves? Do they have a
value(i.e 10"hg)?
The EGR valve has been replaced.
Can you test the plastic vacuum canister?
Any caveats?

Jack


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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 07:18:36 -0500
From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer)
Subject: Re: wood trim

>Anyone have some salvaged trim pieces from a GW for sale?  A previous owner
>had taken it off of our '80.  I'd like to replace it (some people shudder at
>the thought of fake wood, but hey, my daughter cringed when I bought the
>Matador too :) ).  I can get the vinyl filler, but can't find the
>surrounding trim.

Mike, I plan on removing all the fake wood on my '89 wag in the future but
hey, future is a slightly ambiguous word- all it means is some time in the
future but hey, future is a slightly... de'ja vu.  When I do, you can have
it.

Can you wait until a) later this summer and b) I convince my wife, who
swears the Wagoneer is "hers" and thinks the wood grain looks really
good(?!?!), that it would look better without it.

As a matter of fact, there is a movie from the mid 80's, I think it's
called "The Great Outdoors" that has John Candy and Dan Akroyd in it.  John
Candy takes his family up to Lake Miniwdafhuifiu(whatever), and his stock
broker brother-in-law (Dan Akroyd) shows up unannounced, with his fam.
Well Candy is driving a Red late model (read, ugly horizontal slat grill)
Grand Wagoneer.  We were watching that on TV late the other night and my
wife, unsolicited, actually said, "that's a good lookin' vehicle."  You'd
have to know her to appreciate the magnitude of that remark.

JB


"Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither."
   Benjamin Franklin



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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 07:21:23 -0500
From: Greg Harper <freezer-at-indy.webbits.net>
Subject: Re: Parts Book

At 09:50 PM 4/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Picked them up today.  Tomorrow is my long day at school.  8am to 10
>pm.  I will mail them on friday.  I still have a couple left over if
>anyone wants one.  Later,
>
>Zack
>
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Zack,
If I still want one will you save me one of those printed ones until my
check gets to you?

I talked to you before.
You said that you needed the payment in hand before you sent the order in
to print so I waited for a while.

What do you think?

Greg in Nebraska.


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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:33:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: EGR, TIMING, EDLEBROCK 4BBL

In a message dated 97-04-24 03:47:36 EDT, you write:

> 
>   Matt, your going to have to do the usual vac. leak hunt, carb. adjust,
and
>  secondary ignition system inspection/testing to solve that one. From the 
> guys
>  I've helped out via e-mail and my own recent experience, Motorcraft carbs.

> on
>  FSJs commonly have the idle mixture set too rich. Clockwise (in) leans
them
>  out.
>  
Hey MIKE!!!

I rebuilt the 2150 twice, and then junked it for a holley 2300, the
difference was instant and HUGE!  Ive tried to adjust the idle mixture, but
it has those stupid caps ( since you said I can just pry them off, I feel
pretty stupid now!)

thanks for the tips!

Matt

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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 06:37:42 -0700
From: "Landen Schooler (the Scotsman)" <skoullar-at-ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: eh?

Ok, I stand corrected....it is a panel truck of sorts...on a 2WD DJ-5
chassis.
Landen Schooler


Landen Schooler (the Scotsman) wrote:
> 
> Doc, ol' boy, in plain english....a panel truck.
> Landen Schooler
> 
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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:43:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: (Fwd) eh? 62 FJ-3A???

In a message dated 97-04-24 00:20:13 EDT, you write:

> 
>  The FJ's were COE (cab over engine) jeeps based on the CJ chassis.  This 
> allowed
>  a longer bed and more cargo capacity than a standard CJ without extending 
> the
>  wheelbase, neet trucks and I wouldn't mind having one, but they aren't
FSJ's
>  
>  							Karl Streich
>  
>  OK, now I read down to Johns post, and this perticular FJ is a fleetvan, I

> guess
>  Jeep had their finger in everything...I forgot that these were FJ's too
>  
Ok, speaking of JEEP oddities...How rare are the CJ6's?

Last weekend while scouting some White River Fishing holes, I saw one sitting
in a pasture full of brush and debris...I dont think Ive ever seen one
before....

Matt

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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:00:18 EST
From: "Sam Wallace" <wallace-at-riker.stjoe.udayton.edu>
Subject: Re: New Guy


>  Yes Sam...you are not alone anymore. Welcome to the list. You haven't by any
> chance ever been awakened in the middle of the night by one of those noisy
> Emery box hauling things with wings have you? It wasn't me :-).
>
  The Emery guys are not really much of a problem.  I live pretty far 
southeast of the city and the airport is northwest.  However, I'm 
really close to Wright-Patterson AFB and all the guys in the C-5's 
fly right down my street.   I have been awakened in the middle  of 
the night by attack helicopters pretending that my neighborhood is 
Bagdad.   I just park the Wagoneer out where they can see it and 
identify me as "friend."

Sam Wallace
Dayton, OH
84 GW 

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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:05:09 EST
From: "Sam Wallace" <wallace-at-riker.stjoe.udayton.edu>
Subject: RE: Re: New Guy


> From:          "John Jacobs" <jabobsj-at-flash.net>

> Hey Guys, I hope you consider Michigan the midwest.  I just live a little
> way up i-75 (well, a couple hours) in Royal Oak (Detroit), Michigan.  Would
> be nice to meet somewhere this summer.  Just make sure we make plans in
> advance so the 'Ole Wag is in one piece and not in the middle a "project." 
> :-)  I'd hate to drive my daily driver.  (I really don't enjoy it on a
> daily basis, would hate to be around other Wags without mine..)
> 
 
Hey John,
   You're not that far from me.  We usually make it to Detroit 2-3 
times in the summer to catch the Tigers games.   Maybe we could all 
meet in Toledo and raid the Jeep plant.
   I think it would be fun to slap something together.

Sam Wallace
Dayton, OH
84 GW

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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:17:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: insulation???

In a message dated 97-04-23 17:50:11 EDT, you write:

>  The noise is a clicking
>  exhaust sort'o sound when you give it some gas. 
My factory exhaust does this, I got one side to quiet down by pulling the
collector apart, smoothing out the cone where it seals, and reassembling with
motor mite screw in studs, and BRASS nuts... i couldnt get the old stud out
of the other side though, so I havent done it yet..

Matt

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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:22:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: Vacuum system

In a message dated 97-04-24 09:06:10 EDT, you write:

> The round in line fittings - are they check valves? Do they have a
>  value(i.e 10"hg)?
Mine has one of these in the vac line to the advance mechanism in the
distributer, A bozo mechanic lost it a few years back, and it took me several
days to find one, had to order it from Memphis Tn from a JEEP dealorship, I
COULD NOT make it run right without that little bugger, man, it drove me
nuts, its about $11 BTW

Matt

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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:43:42 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: exhaust valve rotators

>Has anyone installed this cam and lifter package in one of these engines ( I
>KNOW someone has) but How do I tell by looking if the exhaust vavles have
>rotators? And will they come off?

	You'll have three piece keepers instead of two...  what'll it actually
look like is the valve retainers will have the normal two split keepers,
then there will be an extra ring that the keepers are inserted inside, this
ring will fit inside the normal valve spring retainer.  Some Fords have had
these in the past, too.  You can get new retainers for non-rotating
applications, I believe...  it's been a while...  I believe they're
included in valve spring kits.  umm, what else...  oh, I dunno about AMC,
but on Fords the valves are indeed different where they use the "rotating"
gizmos...  there is an extra groove in the valve, and the valve stem is
longer.  I wish I still had my Ford engine book, I could look up exactly
what has to be done to convert...  I seem to recall you could grind the
ends, but when I did my last Ford 302 I changed to Chevy valves, which
didn't have the problem (plus Chevy valves are about one-third the price of
Ford valves).

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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:01:22 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: Matt's Misbehavin' Motor


>it pings under a load, ( such as a little incline at road speed) when its in
>High gear, basically when ever its got a load at LOW rpm.. I have to get on
>the gas hard to FORCE a downshift, then it revs hard, but i cant bear to let
>the poor guy PING!

	I don't recall if this was mentioned or not, but have you checked your
vacuum lines?

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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:22:30 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re:  eh?


>ah..no..not a panel truck. the fleet van was a box
>van on a cj chassis!!!!

	So it was more like an FC with a box body?

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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:32:53 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re:  eh?

>
>The FJ's were COE (cab over engine) jeeps based on the CJ chassis.  This
allowed
>a longer bed and more cargo capacity than a standard CJ without extending the
>wheelbase, neet trucks and I wouldn't mind having one, but they aren't FSJ's
>
>							Karl Streich
>
>OK, now I read down to Johns post, and this perticular FJ is a fleetvan, I
guess
>Jeep had their finger in everything...I forgot that these were FJ's too

	Ok, so FJ's WERE FCs, then?

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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:14:03 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re:  eh?

>Date:  Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:11:41 -0700
>From: "Landen Schooler (the Scotsman)" <skoullar-at-ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: eh?
>
>Doc, ol' boy, in plain english....a panel truck.
>Landen Schooler

	Ok, so it's a Dispatcher with no windows?

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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:31:19 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: Re: Thanks Guys !!



	Ok, but who do we ask for?

	You have HUBS on a QT???  Are you SURE you've got QT?  Wait, if it doesn't
have low range, then it's got to be a QT.  There shouldn't be hubs.

	The best way to see if your front tires are pulling is simply to find a
nice patch of some soft stuff, like dirt or sand, lock into emergency
drive, and floor it briefly, just enough to spin the tires.  Then get out
and look to see if you left ruts behind one of the front tires and rears.

	The QT is only locked front to rear in emergency drive, so you probably
won't feel much resistance by spinning the front tires while the rears are
on pavement, and vice-versa, unless it is indeed locked in emergency drive.

	I've forwarded this to the fsj-list, also...  I'm sure one of the QT gurus
can elaborate on what I've said.  I don't think this gentleman is
subscribed yet, guys, so email him direct at PMBlock-at-aol.com.

	BTW...  my name is Doc.  <grin>.

At 01:18 AM 4/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Fariello, John & the guys,
>
>Thanks for responding to my E-mail about the transfer case in my Jeep.  the
>info was very helpful to me, & it helped me understand a little bit more what
>I exactly have.  It looks like I'm going to have to scour the Junkyards in
>search of a transfer case that
>has the low gear in it.  I have a quick question though about the standard
>Quadra track transfer case that I have in my 77 Chief.  What is the best way
>to determine whether or not my front tires are pulling?  Do I simply jack all
>four wheels off of the ground, lock up the front hubs and see if the front
>tires spin?  The front drive shaft spins freely when I do not have the front
>hubs locked, even when the tranny is in park.  This seemed weird to me and
>this is why I am concerned that my transfer case is not working.  In a full
>time 4 wheel drive like these shouldnt the transfer case
>turn the front driveshaft & bell housing even if the front hubs are not
>locked?  Well as
>you can see this 4 wheel stuff is all new to me ( I am an AMC muscle car
>nut!) - 
>Any info. you guys can give me will be swallowed up !!  - Thanks again guys
>!!
>PMBlock-at-aol.com   
> P.S. - I run the parts dept. for Trail-Rite boat trailers in So.CA.
>& I have everything from axles & hubs to tires, rims , couplers, trailer
>brakes & more
>give me a call, mention this web site & I will cut you guys the "Good Guy"
>discount !
>If anyone wants a free catalog call me at work at 1-800-443-2304 & I will
>send you one of our catalogs free.  Or you could E-mail me with your mailing
>address & I will
>send anyone a catalog too -- Thanks !!
>
>

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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:33:40 -0500
From: "Westlake, Gareth" <Gareth.Westlake-at-COMPAQ.com>
Subject: RE: Texas-Oklahoma Chapter of IFSJA

Tony,

Here is the information that you requested:

Name:	Gareth Westlake
Vehicle(s) model and year:	1990 GW
Email addr: westlake-at-pobox.com
Phone and location:	1530 Valley Landing
			Katy, Tx 77450 (suburb of Houston)
			281-395-0625


Thanks,
Gareth Westlake
gareth.westlake-at-compaq.com
westlake-at-pobox.com


>-----Original Message-----
>From:	hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com [SMTP:hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com]
>Sent:	Friday, April 11, 1997 3:20 PM
>To:	Westlake, Gareth
>Subject:	Texas-Oklahoma Chapter of IFSJA
>
>Greetings FSJers,
>I have volunteered to coordinate the new
>Texas-Oklahoma Chapter of the IFSJA and
>am requesting anyone who resides in those
>states to please email me directly with the
>following information:
>
>Name
>Vehicle(s) model and year
>Email addr
>Phone and location would be nice (optional)
>
>I can assure you any information received would
>be used strickly for IFSJA purposes and will not
>be made public knowledge without the members
>permission.
>
>I look forward to hearing from "ya'll" and
>perhaps planning an inaugural T-O Chapter
>get together!
>
>May your u-joints never bind....
>   Tony R. Hanson  (hanstr-at-cimsy01.aud.alcatel.com)
>          1964 Wagoneer  Copeville, Texas
>
>
>
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> 
>

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Date:  Wed, 23 Apr 97 21:03:00 PDT
From: "Jandrt, Rick" <rjandrt-at-msgate.litc.lockheed.com>
Subject: FW: Valve COvers


Yup, but it's been quite a few years. That's why I'm trying to find a   
set.

Rick
rjandrt-at-msgate.litc.lockheed.com


>Edelbrock doesn't list these in their catalog.  Did they ever make any?
>
>Mike Ahlmann


>>To:   fsj-list -at- listserver.tehabi.com
>>cc:
>>Subject:  Valve COvers

>>Does anyone have or know of someone who has a set of Edelbrock >>finned   
aluminum valve covers for an AMC V8 they would like to sell?

>>Rick
>>rjandrt-at-msgate.litc.lockheed.com







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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:18:22 EST
From: "Sam Wallace" <wallace-at-riker.stjoe.udayton.edu>
Subject: Engine Swap Options

I have to make a decision on the engine for my GW pretty soon.  One 
of the options I have been thinking about is a new ford 302 with efi. 
 My brother is in the repair biz and can get the thing wholesale.  As 
I understand it, it's got 300 hp with pretty high low-end torque.

Comments?   Am I in over my head on this?

Sam Wallace
Dayton, OH
84 GW

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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 97 08:20:37 -0700
From: bks-at-co.intel.com
Subject: Re: Old Blue's grille & hood


Virtual John wrote:

> Looking through the Std Catalog of 4x4's by Ackerson, it's readily 
> apparent that Old Blue is sporting an 86 and up hood and grille...
> Hmmmm......
> 
> There is a picture of an 81 Limited with the same grille as Roti, 
> Allan, and Mark's...   The 86 model year incorporated the standup 
> hood ornament and changed the grille...
> 
> Wow, I've owned Old Blue for two years and I finally figured this 
> out...  I'm not REALLY all that slow... :)
> 
> I've also noticed that the left front fender has been bondo'd or 
> patched, and the passenger side back door is a different shade of 
> wallpaper, (ie. not faded...)
> 
> later,
> john


Wow!  A true jeep!  Its been my expierience that its hard to pin down
exactly what year a jeep is, because most aren't just a single year.

My mom has an old flat-fender down in her garrage that has a tub off an
MB, engine out of an M38A1, and everything else off an M38 (as near as
we can tell!).  Except one of the front warn hubs is off an old scout
(has an IH on it) and the ignition switch has a corn binder key!  There
were several years while I was growing up that it was our ONLY vehicle.
Pretty small for a family of 6.

Okay, back on track..  Any word on if you are going to make it down this
way this weekend?

-brad


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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:20:23 -0700
From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Desirability of FSJs

billy dunn wrote:

> Just my .02 worth but I think that you are getting a 3.1 and a 3.4
> confused.A 3.4 is NOTHING like a 2.8 different everything.A 2.8 is not a
> timing belt engine which a 3.4 is.I had the misfortune of doing one last
> week in a Lumina.(YUK)There is nothing the same in a 3.4 that will
> interchange with a 2.8.
> Go make sure if this is right......
> Billy
> 

Go to http://unix.off-road.com/jeepcher/

Look under the engine section at 2.8 engine upgrade.  This is where I
got most of the information.

Tom Anhalt

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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:22:51 -0400
From: John Esposito <espos-at-compuserve.com>
Subject: Problem

I just solved my oil leak, rear main seal & pan gasket, and the very next
day A new problem occurs. As I drive there is a noise, somewhere between a
clicking and a banging, right under my feet any time i turn, left or right.
It is only on drivers side. I greased everthing I could in front but no
change. I am thinking balls joints, u-joints? Any help would prevent a
couple of grey hairs, they're coming in by the hour. This problem is
interfering with my exhaust overhaul(cat is plugged bad), extensive body
work(passenger nose), vaccuum leaks galore, etc.

Also, is there supposed to be a zerk fitting on the front driveshaft on the
sleave. There is a hole but no fitting.

Alfred J. Esposito
espos-at-compuserve.com
'89 Grand Wagoneer

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Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:32:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: EGR, TIMING, EDLEBROCK 4BBL

In a message dated 97-04-24 03:47:36 EDT, you write:

>  And believe me, an engine with only 8.25 to 1
>  compression should run on 87 octane fuel without pinging ever.
>  
I remember this discussion a while back, and still dont fully understand, my
heads have been milled twice to get them straight, but your saying I STILL
only have 8.25 : 1 compression ratio?



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